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Mar 31, 2006, 06:32 AM
 
link to legal threat to this site

the actual letter,
Subject: Re: Illegal Dissemination of Apple Intellectual Property
From: anakata
To: IRamage@OMM.com

> April 21, 2005
>
> VIA EMAIL
>
> NOT FOR POSTING
>
> Fredrik Neij
> Registrant of www.piratebay.org
>
> Re: Apple Intellectual Property Disseminated by
> www.piratebay.org
>
> Dear Mr. Neij:
>
> We represent Apple Computer, Inc. On or before April 21, 2005, the
> site www.piratebay.org was in the process of distributing and/or
> facilitating the distribution of a misappropriated copy of an
> unreleased version of Apple's operating system software, Tiger 10.4,
> Build 8A428. The software constitutes an Apple trade secret and is
> copyrighted.

(site reply)
Awh, come on, I've heard the expression "a few bad apples", but this is
just ridiculous.

> Apple has a well-known, longstanding policy of closely guarding
> information about its unreleased products as trade secrets.

I've heard that before somewhere. I just can't remember where...

> We demand that you immediately disable the torrent and/or tracker and
> prevent further distribution of Apple's trade secret and copyrighted
> material.

We demand that you provide us with entertainment by sending more legal
threats. Please?

> Apple further demands that you provide us with all information
> relating to the posting of torrents enabling the distribution of Mac
> OS X Tiger, Build 8A428, including all log files and tracker files
> associated with such torrents. Apple also demands all information
> related to the identity of the persons who created such torrent files
> and/or who uploaded the software referenced by those torrent files, as
> well as the identities of all individuals who participated in the
> uploading and downloading of Apple's software. If you fail to
> maintain the evidence of this illegal activity, you will be subject to
> severe sanctions. In particular, if you destroy or hide any evidence,
> you will be subject to civil and criminal penalties. Please produce
> all requested information by the end of the day, Friday, April 22,
> 2005.

Even if we had that information, which we don't, do you really think we
would provide it to you?

> Builds of unreleased Apple software are distributed under strict
> confidentiality agreements. Your torrent site appears to be engaged
> in a practice of soliciting and disseminating Apple trade secrets.
> This practice is grounds for both civil and criminal liability. To
> avoid further liability, you must refrain from inducing the breach of
> any Apple confidentiality agreements, soliciting Apple trade secrets,
> and distributing Apple trade secrets on your site.

...Or what? You and Hans Brix will send us angry letters? Fortunately
for you, we don't keep sharks as pets.

> Apple is prepared to take further actions to stop the sites illegal
> activities, and Apple expressly reserves its rights. I am available
> to discuss this matter at any time. If you are represented by counsel
> in this matter, please provide me with the identity of that counsel.

Instead of simply recommending that you sodomize yourself with a
retractable baton, let me recommend a specific model - the ASP 21". The
previous lawyers tried to use a cheaper brand, but it broke during the
action.

>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ian Ramage
> OMelveny & Myers LLP
> Embarcadero Center West
> 275 Battery Street, Suite 2600
> (415) 984-8783 (direct)
> (415) 984-8701 (fax)
> iramage@omm.com
>
> This message and any attached documents contain information from the
> law firm of OMelveny & Myers LLP that may be confidential and/or
> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read,
> copy, distribute, or use this information. If you have received this
> transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply
> e-mail and then delete this message.

It's OK with you that we post this message on
http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/ ? Because I just did, and I'm so
afraid of you and your nice titles and shiny offices :-(.
and there are plenty more from big names.. LOL i love bit torrent.
i dont care about DRM, or intellectual property, i just know that if i can buy it i will,
but if i cant, i will anyway.

That is all.
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 06:35 AM
 
Wont be the first time Apple legal has put the screws on BT sites.
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 06:49 AM
 
Your wronge, Apple or any other US company has no power in sweden to stop BT. This is the reply sent back to Apples REP. If you read it, it basically mocks them.

I downloaded OS X 10.4 the test version from them, i think its still seeding long after.

I then thought it was kool, so i purchased a tiger ibook.
I regret it, since i thought the slow spotlight/widgets feature was just
a result of the test version,but i was wrong.
The one from warner bros is the funniest.
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 07:10 AM
 
Originally Posted by Anti-Spam
Your wronge, Apple or any other US company has no power in sweden to stop BT.
Really? They aren't attacking BitTorrent itself, but the faciliation of intellectual property crimes.
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 07:22 AM
 
well the story goes, DMCA does not affect trackers, as they do not distribute the file directly, but do distribute the meta-file. And US law can not be forced on the sweed, but must apply Swedish law IN SWEDEN. To challenge them, they need to go to Sweden and go all the way to the supreme court to do so.

Microsft also sent them a letter, and they told them to **** off
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 07:22 AM
 
Anti-Spam, just sit back, and watch Apple legal do their thing
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 07:52 AM
 
I love the piratebay. That's how I'm getting my apple keynotes.
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 08:44 AM
 
Originally Posted by Anti-Spam
well the story goes, DMCA does not affect trackers, as they do not distribute the file directly, but do distribute the meta-file. And US law can not be forced on the sweed, but must apply Swedish law IN SWEDEN. To challenge them, they need to go to Sweden and go all the way to the supreme court to do so.
I didn't see any mention of the DMCA in the letter. I have no doubt that Apple intends to pursue this in Sweden. Sweden isn't without copyright law. I'm sure the attorneys understand this better than the person posting these letters along with juvenile retorts.
     
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Mar 31, 2006, 09:09 AM
 
piratebay are a bunch of losers.
     
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Apr 1, 2006, 01:30 AM
 
lmfao, those replies were great! I want to read more of these types of letters!

Kind of funny how apple tries to sound all serious when they dont really have any power over the situation. The letter was sent almost a year ago and piratebay is still going strong.
     
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Apr 1, 2006, 02:08 AM
 
Old news.
     
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May 31, 2006, 10:48 AM
 
     
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May 31, 2006, 10:50 AM
 
That's going to be an interesting one.
     
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May 31, 2006, 11:04 AM
 
Yeah. It's not illegal in Sweden to link to illegal Torrents, if I understand it correctly. If that's true, then TPB per se isn't exactly illegal. OTOH, I wonder if their computers are full of downloaded appz. If so, that's a different story.

BTW, the guys who ran the store around the corner from where I lived, and who sold me my first AMD 386 desktop way back when, got arrested for running the Canadian arm of a seriously huge filesharing network out of the back of the store. (This was in the days when all the downloads were on US Robotics modems, etc.) Ahh... The memories...
     
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May 31, 2006, 11:14 AM
 
Originally Posted by Eug Wanker
OTOH, I wonder if their computers are full of downloaded appz. If so, that's a different story.
Considering the site they were hosting, I feel confident is assuming HELL YES.
     
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May 31, 2006, 11:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by Dakar
Considering the site they were hosting, I feel confident is assuming HELL YES.
The Pirate Bay doesn't actually host the files. The host the torrent files which ref to other host servers. It's plausible that they aren't hosting anything illegal, but at this point they could get in trouble over an unlicensed copy of Office.
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May 31, 2006, 11:20 AM
 
Originally Posted by goMac
The Pirate Bay doesn't actually host the files. The host the torrent files which ref to other host servers. It's plausible that they aren't hosting anything illegal, but at this point they could get in trouble over an unlicensed copy of Office.
Where did I say they were hosting files?
     
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May 31, 2006, 11:57 AM
 
One BT site goes down and another pops up. When there is demand, there is supply. Nothing to see here. I almost never used Piratebay btw. The were ok for Apple keynotes and Eurovision but the rest was ill documented which led to bad downloads.

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May 31, 2006, 12:03 PM
 
http://www2.piratpartiet.se/nyheter/...down_by_police

Apple doesn't f*ck around.

Sweedish police have raided and apprehended the Pirate Bay servers.

Edit: Oops, didn't see epluth's post.
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May 31, 2006, 05:04 PM
 
Ah now people will actually have to PAY for OS X.

Or try a lot harder not to.
     
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May 31, 2006, 05:59 PM
 
meh...plenty of warez channels on IRC more than willing to give it
     
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May 31, 2006, 06:52 PM
 
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Pig swill. The Pirate Bay has woken up to the fact that piracy is illegal, they just won't admit it.
     
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May 31, 2006, 08:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by Kevin
Ah now people will actually have to PAY for OS X.

Or try a lot harder not to.
A quick search of a handful of the other 500+ BT sites finds 10.4 easily enough.
     
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May 31, 2006, 10:52 PM
 
VIA EMAIL

NOT FOR POSTING

[...snip...]

This message and any attached documents contain information from the law firm of OMelveny & Myers LLP that may be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute, or use this information. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message.
Does this have any sort of validity in any way (at least in the U.S.)? I mean, if you got an e-Mail, it's your e-Mail and technically I'd think you should be able to put it up on the 'net if you wanted.
     
   
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