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Kerrigan · May 19, 2006, 10:28 AM

A lot of people are griping about how the MacBook may not support Vista's Aero, so I guess Windows is becoming a big issue for Mac users.

Do you plan on installing Vista on your Mac? Why or why not?

euphras · May 19, 2006, 10:32 AM

On my current setup i can´t install - all PPC based. If i might get a new Mac in the future i would pro´lly install a pirated version of Win2000, but only for gaming purposes

Eug Wanker · May 19, 2006, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

A lot of people are griping about how the MacBook may not support Vista's Aero

The MacBook will support Aero, and Aero Glass.

Kerrigan · 10:49 AM

I agree with you Eug, based on what I've read from Intel and MS. Nevertheless a lot of people are convinced it won't, and cite this as a reason not to get a MacBook. So it seems that Vista may actually be a selling point for Macs down the line.

edit: in fact, all this clamouring for hardware that supports Vista makes raises an interesting and long-feared possibility: Apple may stand to benefit from selling and supporting windows on its computers.

Jawbone54 · May 19, 2006, 11:50 AM

I voted Yes.

I own a Powerbook G4 1.67 GHz right now. I'm going to sell it on eBay soon. If the MacBook runs Vista, I'll get it. If it is incapable of running Vista...I'll get it. Vista is not a selling point for me. It's simply an added bonus. I use Macs for two reasons.
1. Mac OSX
2. They look better

But the first reason makes up about 95% of why I'm a Mac user. Vista compatibility is not a purchasing point for me.

Salty · May 19, 2006, 11:58 AM

Vista on a Mac is just wrong. I thought of it... but I mean... I don't even have MSN messenger on my Mac. So really... even though I'd love to play some games... I don't really think I'd do it. At most I'd pirate a copy and put it on an external drive and boot from that over USB if I could.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 19, 2006, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

A lot of people are griping about how the MacBook may not support Vista's Aero

Says who? It supports it 100%

Kerrigan · May 19, 2006, 12:02 PM

I'm aware that it supports Aero, nevertheless a lot of people are griping that it won't.

My point is that some diehard Mac fans are more worried about running future versions of Windows rather than OSX.

Jawbone54 · May 19, 2006, 12:06 PM

Meanwhile I'm still dying for Leopard's new features.

Salty · May 19, 2006, 12:10 PM

I think part of the concern is that it won't be able to do something that they MIGHT do. For me I was excited when I found out my PowerBook's graphics card supported CoreImage... and then turns out I'll probably have a new Mac before I'd even want to use any apps that use CoreImage heavily.

goMac · May 19, 2006, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

My point is that some diehard Mac fans are more worried about running future versions of Windows rather than OSX.

My gripe is it won't run whatever Apple's Avalon competitor is, at least not well. I could care less about running Aero.

I think we'll see the next revision of Macbook remove the GMA950. This just looks like the Rev A 17" Powerbook all over again.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 19, 2006, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

I think part of the concern is that it won't be able to do something that they MIGHT do.

How do you ever get that guarantee. Remember when Apple was still shipping Macs WITH video cards that didn't even support CoreGraphics?

Eug Wanker · May 19, 2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I agree with you Eug, based on what I've read from Intel and MS. Nevertheless a lot of people are convinced it won't, and cite this as a reason not to get a MacBook.

Aero Glass has already demonstrated to work on GMA 950, with Windows Vista beta.

1) Buy machine with GMA 950
2) Install Vista beta
3) Install Intel's Vista drivers for GMA 950.
4) Aero Glass works fine.

fhoubi · May 19, 2006, 03:18 PM

Xp prof. is enough to run Solidworks and Inventor for the next couple of years, so no.

olePigeon · May 19, 2006, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Aero Glass has already demonstrated to work on GMA 950, with Windows Vista beta.

1) Buy machine with GMA 950
2) Install Vista beta
3) Install Intel's Vista drivers for GMA 950.
4) Aero Glass works fine.

You're assuming they're not going to extend the release date and remove that feature.

willed · May 19, 2006, 05:03 PM

Err... no, because you have to spend £200 on a full copy of XP.

And even if it was free... then only if there was software I needed to run.

baw · May 19, 2006, 05:08 PM

I installed WinXP when BootCamp came out. I used it one day and haven't booted into XP since.

Eug Wanker · May 19, 2006, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

You're assuming they're not going to extend the release date and remove that feature.

Heh. I know you were half joking, but they won't remove that feature, since they won't need to. It apparently is already working fine. It's now just up to the video card makers to write the drivers, and Intel has already written one for GMA 950 (but not GMA 900 AFAIK).

Originally Posted by willed

Err... no, because you have to spend £200 on a full copy of XP.

And even if it was free... then only if there was software I needed to run.

I get Windows XP Pro for less than US$100 (institutional pricing). I'm guessing Vista will be in the same ballpark, so I'd just get it play around with.

adster · May 19, 2006, 05:13 PM

Probably not since I'm, not a fan of dual-booting. But... there is one Windows app. I do need to use, so I might try out a virtualisation option. I'd like to try Vista, but probably hang onto XP for a while longer.

I'm drunk, btw lol

ghporter · May 19, 2006, 05:19 PM

I'm still trying to figure out if I'll buy Vista for my PCs. While it would be handy to run XP from my (future) Mini, I'm not convinced that Vista will be worth my while on anything.

Dr.Michael · May 19, 2006, 05:30 PM

I am 100% windows free. At work and at home.

My MacBook (when I buy it) will run parallels with linux, maybe solaris. I don't need windows, I don't want windows, I won't pay a cent for windows. I have put too much time to make windows run, to reinstall, to clean the registry, to sink hours and hours to make hardware work, to wait minutes until the trash can is emptied and the system is responsive again - thanks, no, lessons learned.

Big Mac · May 21, 2006, 07:13 AM

I thought most people around here with Mactels are running XP, so I assume the same will hold true with Vista. If you're going to buy a PC, I cannot condemn you for running Windows on it.

Eug Wanker · May 21, 2006, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by ghporter

I'm still trying to figure out if I'll buy Vista for my PCs. While it would be handy to run XP from my (future) Mini, I'm not convinced that Vista will be worth my while on anything.

Core Duo or Core Solo?

I note that Intel's Vista page only mentions Core Duo.

Maflynn · May 21, 2006, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Salty

At most I'd pirate a copy and put it on an external drive and boot from that over USB if I could.

Jeez dude, you call yourself a Christian and steal? While I don't want to be be accused of having a plank in my eye and commenting on the speck in your eye. Lets just say that stealing is wrong.

Maflynn · May 21, 2006, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

A lot of people are griping about how the MacBook may not support Vista's Aero

What's so great about vista that people are getting excited over. For me, I need to use windows to run some apps that are not available in OSX. Having bootcamp is a great utility for helping me.

So far from the small amount that I do know about vista, its big, slow and buggy. The memory footprint of the OS is huge. Perhaps when it goes gold they'll have shrunk that and improved performance when but for me its really not something I get all hot and bothered over.

Eug Wanker · May 21, 2006, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Maflynn

What's so great about vista that people are getting excited over. For me, I need to use windows to run some apps that are not available in OSX. Having bootcamp is a great utility for helping me.

It's a new OS, and I'm interested in trying it out. My home machines are all Macs, and my work PC doesn't support Aero Glass. I can't install a new OS on my work PC anyways.

So far from the small amount that I do know about vista, its big, slow and buggy. The memory footprint of the OS is huge.

Well, to be fair, it's a beta, and OS X isn't über fast either with limited amounts of memory. By all accounts Tiger sucks on the stock MacBook. In fact, it seems that many stores are putting it on the floors with 1024 MB RAM (which is same amount of RAM recommended for the upper tier of Vista). They usually didn't display iBooks with 1024 MB, because 512 MB was sufficient for basic stuff. (They put 1 GB in the MacBooks probably because of the GPU RAM issue, and Rosetta.)

Maflynn · May 21, 2006, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Well, to be fair, it's a beta, and OS X isn't über fast either with limited amounts of memory. By all accounts Tiger sucks on the stock MacBook. In fact, it seems that many stores are putting it on the floors with 1024 MB RAM (which is same amount of RAM recommended for the upper tier of Vista). They usually didn't display iBooks with 1024 MB, because 512 MB was sufficient for basic stuff. (They put 1 GB in the MacBooks probably because of the GPU RAM issue, and Rosetta.)

I agree with you on the beta part which is why I made the small provision about it being better once it goes gold.

I'm kind of on the fence with Vista, I currently have a mini and it runs XP fine, I don't see the need to buy and install Vista. Before MS started chopping all the features out of it, I was (this was before bootcamp) planning on buying a cheap PC to run vista so I'm not discounting it, but it seems odd to see vista posts here on an mac forum.

I generally don't run OSX on anything under a gig and I'm contemplating getting a macbook but I hear what you mean about osx's performance on a macbook with under a gig.

Mike

Love Calm Quiet · May 21, 2006, 10:21 AM

Once I get a Mactell I probably will. ...assuming MS is giving it away free. The price would then be right!

Agasthya · May 21, 2006, 11:51 AM

For Visio.

Judge_Fire · May 21, 2006, 12:30 PM

Yeah, if new Mac desktops are something less clumsy and humongous than the G5 tower.

My gaming PC, a Shuttle, is showing signs of aging and I'd rather not own a separate PC. With Crysis, UT2K7 and other such games on their way, it's practically antiquated

Besides, I'm curious about the UI and interaction design in Vista and especially the new Office, which looks interesting.

J

TheMosco · May 21, 2006, 05:28 PM

Right now I have a desktop pc that I want to upgrade and a 1.5 ghz powerbook. I am not exactly sure when, but I am either going to get a macbook (second revision) or a second revision intel mac mini to replace my pc. I am hoping that by the second revision the graphics capabilities might be a little better. I will use mac os x most of the time.

My college has a microsoft license which gets me one copy of most microsoft software for 5 dollars. Thats how I got Windows XP Pro and thats how I will get Vista.