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A P-51 (Mustang -1940), F-4 (Phantom - 1960), F-16 (Falcon - 1979) and F-22 (Raptor - 2005) all flying together.

This was at the HIll AFB 2006 airshow today.

Another of those 4.

[ghporter]

THANK YOU!!!!! That's a fabulous picture (and so is the second one).

I've worked around F-4s and F-16s (not to mention F-15s, A-10s C-130s and the occasional oddball, like an F-14 and an Australian F-111!), and I've loved how immensely graceful an airplane is in flight. Seeing them like this is breathtaking and very heart warming.

Thanks again!

[Yose]

Yeah that's pretty cool man.

[mdc]

Very nice photos. What camera and lens were you using?

[SpaceMonkey]

Pretty cool pictures. Aesthetically, the F-16 has always been my favorite. It reminds me of a dagger.

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Originally Posted by mdc

Very nice photos. What camera and lens were you using?

If you can believe it, I took the "disposable" camera for the day. It's a Powershot G2 with the stock lens; a good camera for its day, and it can still take some amazing shots. I have over 3000 exposures on it.

[lounge]

P-51 Mustang = most beautiful fighter ever... i used to work on fighters as well... i was formerly an F/A-18 avionics tech

[ThinkInsane]

Very nice pic. Lets have some more.

[phantomdragonz]

there was a post on FARK about this very airshow...

Zach

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Originally Posted by phantomdragonz

there was a post on FARK about this very airshow...

Zach

Found it: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comm...IDLink=2112697

[Jens Peter]

Fun - I was altså at a air show today, in Denmark. Here are some of my photoes:

Spitfire:


F16 at 10.000m:


16 F16 in formation:


Falcon (I think)


Joint Strike Fighter mock-up:


At work we develop software for the JSF, so it was fun to see it in 'real-life'.
Photoes taken with my IXUS400...

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Jens Peter

Falcon (I think)

That one's an F-4 Phantom.

[Sarc]

So, to the fighter fans, I always wondered, which one would win a dog fight, between an F15, F16 and F18 ?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Sarc

So, to the fighter fans, I always wondered, which one would win a dog fight, between an F15, F16 and F18 ?

From what little I know, the F-16 is generally considered to be the most agile of the three. I don't know how significantly better it would be though.

[ghporter]

Close in? F-16, hands down. But only if the pilot is willing to pull the Gs needed to turn inside the F-18, which is pretty darn nimble. An F-16 should easily out turn an F-15, but the 15 has some "interesting" weapons that could mean a very long-distance kill-before the F-16 could engage...

[Macfreak7]

That F-22 is frikking beautiful.

[His Dudeness]

Yeah it is. So much for that stealth stuff. You can still see it.

[KeyLimePi]

Originally Posted by ink

A P-51 (Mustang -1940), F-4 (Phantom - 1960), F-16 (Falcon - 1979) and F-22 (Raptor - 2005) all flying together.

Did you take that shot? Is that real? I'm amazed that the P-51 can keep up with that F-22. Was this shot as they were passing each other?

[chabig]

Originally Posted by KeyLimePi

Did you take that shot? Is that real? I'm amazed that the P-51 can keep up with that F-22. Was this shot as they were passing each other?

It's simple really. They all fly at a speed compatible with the slowest airplane--the P-51. That means they're probably all flying around 250-300 knots. Of course the top speeds are dramatically different.

Chris

[zmcgill]

I want to seem them all go full throttle from that picture and see what happens.

[chabig]

Originally Posted by Sarc

So, to the fighter fans, I always wondered, which one would win a dog fight, between an F15, F16 and F18 ?

Having been qualified in all three of those fighters, The answer is easy. The one with the best pilot.

(former fighter pilot) Chris

[KeyLimePi]

Originally Posted by chabig

It's simple really. They all fly at a speed compatible with the slowest airplane--the P-51. That means they're probably all flying around 250-300 knots.

Chris

uh...actually, it's not that simple. The PW F119 engines on the F-22 blow a ton of thrust. I would expect it to stall out at anything less that 500 knots. Can a P-51 go that fast? I dunno, maybe I'm just distrustful, but it seems weird to me. Besides, what's up with the vapor trails coming off the vertical stablizers on the F-22? Why is it the only plane to have them?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by KeyLimePi

uh...actually, it's not that simple. The PW F119 engines on the F-22 blow a ton of thrust. I would expect it to stall out at anything less that 500 knots. Can a P-51 go that fast? I dunno, maybe I'm just distrustful, but it seems weird to me. Besides, what's up with the vapor trails coming off the vertical stablizers on the F-22? Why is it the only plane to have them?

500 knots is way too high for a stall. That's almost Mach 1 at cruising altitude, and about Mach 0.75 at sea level. They do eventually have to get the thing back on the ground somehow.

[glideslope]

Nice images Ink.

[KeyLimePi]

I suppose you're right. In fact, I Googled the stall speed on an F-22 and found this discussion, dated June 6, where a poster writes:

"The other week I saw over my house a F-22 and F-15 and what looked like a F-4 Phantom AND a small piston engine plane that to my eye look like a P-51. It was the weekend of the Andrews air show, but I’m a good 60 miles north of Andrews AFB. "

So, I'm guessing that pic is the real deal.

[glideslope]

Originally Posted by KeyLimePi

uh...actually, it's not that simple. The PW F119 engines on the F-22 blow a ton of thrust. I would expect it to stall out at anything less that 500 knots. Can a P-51 go that fast? I dunno, maybe I'm just distrustful, but it seems weird to me. Besides, what's up with the vapor trails coming off the vertical stablizers on the F-22? Why is it the only plane to have them?

I believe the stall speed would be around 175 knots at say, 500'. I'm speculating here.

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Originally Posted by Jens Peter

16 F16 in formation

Nice!

Originally Posted by KeyLimePi

So, I'm guessing that pic is the real deal.

Yes, I took it. Sheesh. :-)

Here's a writeup in the paper about it: http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_3924528

[Socially Awkward Solo]

What is the blond kid doing in the last photo? Pointing to the sky and saying "plane go up?"

[finboy]

Top speed on a P-51 is probably about 450 or so, maybe more for the improved (post-war) models.

Wiki says it's 437, but I thought it was higher. Stall speed 100.

[chabig]

Originally Posted by glideslope

I believe the stall speed would be around 175 knots at say, 500'. I'm speculating here.

You're still too high. Approach speed would be in the neighborhood of 140-160 knots, so stall speed would about 115.

Chris

[ghporter]

The approach/landing speeds for all three jets are under 200mph (the F4, for example, lands around 160mph). Here's a discussion of a similar formation, which included an F15 instead of a Raptor. The point is that modern fighters need to land at some reasonable speed to be able to stop on tactical strips, so that means a landing speed of no more than around 200kts (IAS). If the plane lands at below 200kts, that means that it doesn't stall out (if that really applies to such aircraft) anywhere near that speed.

The Mustang, on the other hand, uses a lot more Bernuli effect for lift than a jet does-jets tend to use a lot of thrust to overcome a lack of true Bernuli lift. A P51 should indeed be stallable, but not any of the jets in the picture.

[imitchellg5]

My dad worked on the F22.

[f1000]

Originally Posted by Jens Peter

Spitfire:

That one's a Mustang. Cool pics, though.

[FeLiZeCaT]

Amazing. There is about 20 years separating each aircrafts from the OP picture.

Really cool.

[Sky Captain]

The Mustang is a "D" modle.
The Mustang didn't get the bubble canopy until late in the war.