[pooka]

Let me start by saying that I don't have a problem with pot, people smoking pot or people talking about smoking pot. Well, maybe not the last one. Anyway, I understand most pot smokers attitudes and I've heard all the arguments why a doobie aint no big deal. Cool, fine, shutup, I don't really care, doooood. Smoke dat sheeit till you got oatmeal in your noggin'.

My question is why do most potheads think it's cool to bring their **** into my car or home? Is it the fantasy that it shouldn't be illegal that makes it ok in the mind of a pothead? Is it some sort of statement? Stickin it to the man and/or society at large? Or just a simple lack of courtesy? I really don't get it.

Nothing irks me more when I'm the designated driver for some social event or party and I'm lectured by some ********* to "drive cool, man. I've got a ton of weed on me". In my line of work, a bit of professional socializing is beneficial. It's a bit embarrassing to be put into a situation where you're forced to bitch slap another guy in front of others. Why force someone's hand like that? Am I too hard on potheads?

edit: the situation above with me slapping some dude is fiction. kinda. hitting people is wrong. most of the times. well, sometimes. most potheads don't have souls. so it's ok.

[Gossamer]

Your car, your rules. If you DO get pulled over for a headlight or something and the cop finds it, who gets in trouble?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Your car, your rules. If you DO get pulled over for a headlight or something and the cop finds it, who gets in trouble?

Usually the only person carrying.

But yeah, that's not cool. I'd have kicked his butt out.

Even when I DID smoke all the time, I never took it in the car with me.

And if I did, it was enough I could eat and get rid of real quick. ( a joint or two)

Never bring bowls or anything in the car. They are worse than actually having pot in most states.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Your car, your rules. If you DO get pulled over for a headlight or something and the cop finds it, who gets in trouble?

I would imagine I would be in trouble for beating the person who had the weed.

But yeah, my car, my rules. If the question ever comes up, I can make that clear. I'm really just trying to understand why some people just assume it's cool to bring a controlled substance into another person's home or vehicle.

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by pooka

But yeah, my car, my rules. If the question ever comes up, I can make that clear. I'm really just trying to understand why some people just assume it's cool to bring a controlled substance into another person's home or vehicle.

Not that I disagree with your right to decide what's acceptable in your car/home and what isn't, – but why are you so terribly concerned with somebody else (possibly) getting in trouble with the law?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by pooka

Let me start by saying that I don't have a problem with pot, people smoking pot or people talking about smoking pot.

[SNIP]

My question is why do most potheads think it's cool to bring their **** into my car or home?

Well, you did say you don't have a problem with it, so that might be the reason.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Not that I disagree with your right to decide what's acceptable in your car/home and what isn't, – but why are you be so terribly concerned with somebody else (possibly) getting in trouble with the law?

Like I said, some people have the attitude that they're not doing anything wrong and pot aint no big deal. That is until they see a cop and start looking for the first chick's purse or car seat to stash their ****. Pussies.

This has only occurred a few times over the last decade. I was really just curious what the other point of view was.

[mydog8mymac]

Originally Posted by pooka

"drive cool, man. I've got a ton of weed on me".

Wow — sounds like your friends just don't have any manners.

Do you let your friends ride around in your car drinking? If you got pulled over with an open container of alcohol in your car wouldn't you get ticketed — or worse depending on what state you're in (state of the union —that is)? If the cops find a stash in your car, that's an even bigger headache. They seem to be putting you at risk.

[The Godfather]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Not that I disagree with your right to decide what's acceptable in your car/home and what isn't, – but why are you so terribly concerned with somebody else (possibly) getting in trouble with the law?

The pot carrier could easily slip it between the car seat cushions as the driver pulls over.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by pooka

Like I said, some people have the attitude that they're not doing anything wrong and pot aint no big deal. That is until they see a cop and start looking for the first chick's purse or car seat to stash their ****. Pussies.

Yup, people all talk about never punkin out and taking rap, but most of the time, they are lookin for someone else to pin it on.

Sad.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Well, you did say you don't have a problem with it, so that might be the reason.

Do you have a problem with people having anal intercourse?

edit: I don't know why I asked that. I thought I had a point. But I don't. I just think about anal intercourse sometimes.

Better analogy (damn, anal again) would be do you have a problem with the existence of guns, the firing of guns or people talking about guns? Does your indifference to their existence imply complaisance to someone bringing one into your home or vehicle without your knowledge? Did that sentence even make sense?

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by The Godfather

The pot carrier could easily slip it between the car seat cushions as the driver pulls over.

Well, yes, but carrying a controlled substance is something quite different than trying to pin a criminal offense on another person.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Usually the only person carrying.

Okay, I was curious. If they're carrying a lot, would you get in trouble for transporting or anything?

[Doofy]

My car, my rules:

1) No controlled substances to be brought into the car. Punishment: You're walking home.

2) No mobile phones to be used in the car. Punishment: The thing goes through the window.

3) You can drink beer if you want to. Although if you're that needy for a beer then I probably wouldn't hang with you anyways.

4) Let me know if you're not wearing a bra. I'll nip under the car and stiffen the suspension up a tad.

6) There is no rule 6.

[ghporter]

If a passenger slips some pot into the seat so it isn't found, is he going to remember that when he gets to where you let him out? And if he's been smoking, how can he imagine that he doesn't smell like pot? So you get pulled over for whatever, the officer smells the smoker, and asks both of you to provide ID. Your stoned friend is less than coordinated and suddenly the officer has probable cause to investigate. The pot stuffed in the seat is suddenly YOUR pot because it's your car.

So if you wind up designated driver, you set out rules, just like Doofy listed. In most U.S. states, I'd ditch rule 3, because a lot of places (states and localities) have rules about open containers in cars.

Doofy, thank Bruce for your rules for me, eh?

[sek929]

I tend to either

A. Smoke before I go out.

or B. Bring a pre-rolled joint with me and nothing else.

Kids who bring a half ounce around on them have something to prove and will get caught and charged with intent to distribute, it's stupid really.

I would also only carry weed on me with a friend who most likely knew I was going to have pot on me in the first place, otherwise I'd leave it at home.

I am past the point of getting stoned everywhere, I enjoy a toke or two at home, then it is all straight legal intoxicants for the rest of the night.


I'll also have to agree with Kevin too, I've seeen so many "cool" potheads trying to pawn off the responsibility of having illegal sh!t on them...if you're a big enough man to carry it around then you might wanna consider the possibility of going to jail for it.

I remember one instance at Umass Amherst where a girl passed out. I figure it was a lot of pot and not much food (she was very pale, though I wasn't near her all day, so she could have done any number of things) The kids I was with caught her in mid fall and instructed some d**chebag firend of theirs to call the ambulance service. He had the only cellphone, so it was a no-brainer. Instead, fearing being caught for having pot on him, he booked and ran inside the dorm to get rid of his weed. Luckily someone else called the ambulance, but I was appaled at this kid's behavior.

Potheads may not be AS bad as drunks, but on both sides there are alot of complete selfish di*kheads.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Doofy

My car, my rules:

1) No controlled substances to be brought into the car. Punishment: You're walking home.

2) No mobile phones to be used in the car. Punishment: The thing goes through the window.

3) You can drink beer if you want to. Although if you're that needy for a beer then I probably wouldn't hang with you anyways.

4) Let me know if you're not wearing a bra. I'll nip under the car and stiffen the suspension up a tad.

6) There is no rule 6.

You sound like a barrel of ****ing monkeys.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

You sound like a barrel of ****ing monkeys.

You're right. The only fun things I can think of to do are carry drugs/alcohal in a car, and if someone does not support that, they must be completely against any kind of fun ever. Seriously.

[ambush]

"What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?"

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

You're right. The only fun things I can think of to do are carry drugs/alcohal in a car, and if someone does not support that, they must be completely against any kind of fun ever. Seriously.

I was talking about this "Rule"

2) No mobile phones to be used in the car. Punishment: The thing goes through the window.

Seriously.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

You sound like a barrel of ****ing monkeys.

I have absolutely no idea what that means.

[Gossamer]

He's saying you're no fun. And basing that on the fact that you don't allow people to talk on cell phones in your car. I don't see why, maybe you have a better reason, but either it's not a good reason to bite someone's head off, swg.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

I was talking about this "Rule"

2) No mobile phones to be used in the car. Punishment: The thing goes through the window.

Seriously.

If you're hanging with me, you're hanging with me. If you want to speak to someone else, go hang with them. Them's the rules.

Of course, people tend to stick to them too, since I'm a psychotic loony who's way more fun than the other dullard on the other end of the phone.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

He's saying you're no fun. And basing that on the fact that you don't allow people to talk on cell phones in your car.

Oh, I'm loads of fun. That's why I don't allow mobiles in my car - because people who use mobiles while in the car tend to be boring retards. If you're talking to someone who's not there, you can't be making up Viking ninja songs about the scenery (passing people, cars, actual scenery) and singing them at the top of your voice, can you?

[darth-vader000]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

He's saying you're no fun. And basing that on the fact that you don't allow people to talk on cell phones in your car..

I hate it when people start talking on the phone, its rude to ignore everyone else in the car and carry on a conversation on the phone.

I may not be as strict as doofy here, though, that is I don't have a list of dos and don'ts. Most people I hang with seem pretty courteous about such things so it doesn't seem to be a problem.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by darth-vader000

I hate it when people start talking on the phone, its rude to ignore everyone else in the car and carry on a conversation on the phone.

I may not be as strict as doofy here, though, that is I don't have a list of dos and don'ts. Most people I hang with seem pretty courteous about such things so it doesn't seem to be a problem.

I agree with you here, and I think it's more important to deal with each situation rather than make a standard law. For example, last night I was playing pool with some friends. My girlfriend called and wanted to talk a bit. They thought it was dumb and that I should tell her to wait 15 minutes until we were done. If they would have grabbed my phone and hung it up, it would have been bad, because she was about to go to bed so she could wake up in 7 hours and leave for a week where we'd have no contact. Once they found out the situation, they were much more sympathetic and understood.

[awaspaas]

What is a po-thead?

[Cody Dawg]

If somebody was carrying pot in my car I'd be pissed.

Pissed enough to make them get out and hitch a ride with someone else - or walk.

In some states you can lose your car if you're pulled over and they find illegal drugs in it, did you know? Is it worth the risk to have that kind of "friend?"

The government may confiscate a car, boat, house, money or anything if the item may have been purchased with money from illegal use of drugs. The burden is on the owner to prove the item was not purchased with drug money in order to get it back.

Every Wednesday, Section D of USA Today newspaper lists the latest confiscations by the Drug Enforcement Administration. There, in tiny 7-point type, you will find the latest list of weekly seizures of pocket cash, bank accounts, cars, and homes, by just this one government agency.

Good luck fighting the government when you want to insist that buying or selling pot didn't make one of your car payments - or buy your car outright. The government usually wins.

[sek929]

I understand your point Cody, but there needs to be clear intent to distribute in order to assume one purchased expensive goods with drug money, and seize them. Which means a biig bag, maybe some smaller bags already wighed out, and a scale for good measure.

A dime bag wouldn't get anyone in any real trouble.

[Cody Dawg]

Actually, you're very wrong.

About two months ago a woman's brother came to visit her in Bradenton Florida. She was gone over the weekend and he took her car and went partying up in Tampa. He got pulled over and he was drunk and he had a little pot on him, not much. (I think it was stuffed into a cigarette.) The guy was drunk and failed a field sobriety test. But the cop noticed him try to drop his cigarette underneath a mat and got suspicious and called the K9 drug dog unit. Sure enough, it's pot.

They took this woman's car and impounded it and confiscated it under drug laws. It was a Mazda. She owes $6K on it. She came home on Sunday night and her car was gone. She told the court that he didn't have permission to use her car and therefore they shouldn't confiscate it. She's going to court over it but in the first round of court hearings she's lost because the state says that the cops (state troopers) in this case have the right to seize the car, even though she was not driving (that was her argument). They still have the car in impound.

People always like to dictate the law on the forums when in fact they really don't know what they're talking about for the most part.

[sek929]

More than four of my friends have been busted with over a half ounce on them.

Nothing ever happened, an 8 month probationary period that disappears off your record if you get past it without screwing up again.

You do know we live in different states right? So you then must figure that the enforcement of laws may differ as well right? I speak out of real situations my friends have gotten out of..a lawyer I am not, but I think I know what I'm talking about.

Maybe what you describe is the very reason I don't live in a place like FLA.

[Cody Dawg]

Since I didn't know exactly what it was called either, I did a little research.

It's called the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act:

The DEA's Web site claims, "Property is seized by the DEA only when it is determined to be a tool for, or the proceeds of, illegal activities such as drug trafficking, organized crime, or money laundering." But the above examples show the reality.

Under civil asset forfeiture, your property – not you – is charged with a crime. Hence the bizarre title of civil forfeiture cases: "United States vs. one 1998 Mercedes Benz," "California vs. 1711 Main Street," and so forth.

Once your property is charged with a crime, it can be seized and kept by police, even if you are never convicted of anything. An appeals court in Florida even ruled that police can personally receive bounties of 25 percent of the value of anything they seize from you, such as your car, bank accounts or home.

Link

The case that is routinely held up as the standard for this type of situation was Florida vs. White:

Link

Question Presented

Does the Fourth Amendment require the police to obtain a warrant before seizing an automobile from a public place when they have probable cause to believe that it is forfeitable contraband under the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act?

Conclusion

No. In a 7-2 opinion delivered by Justice Clarence Thomas, the Court held that the Fourth Amendment does not require the police to obtain a warrant before seizing an automobile from a public place when they have probable cause to believe that it is forfeitable contraband.

[thestig]

I think this must be a you thing man. I've never done that to anybody, nor have I known anybody else to do something like that.

[The Godfather]

Proof that there are no potheads among FL lawmakers? I hope so

[nerd]

I have a friend that will light up almost anywhere. Last time he lit up we were on the ski lift and I had no escape from the smell. I can't stand the smell of pot or even being around people that are so high they can't function.

I used to smoke a lot in my younger years. Weird how now I hate the stuff now.

Edit:

I just remembered, this same friend tried lighting up in my dad's car very well knowing he works on the Air Force base and could get a random search any day. Now that I think about it, what a dick head.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

They took this woman's car and impounded it and confiscated it under drug laws. It was a Mazda. She owes $6K on it. She came home on Sunday night and her car was gone. She told the court that he didn't have permission to use her car and therefore they shouldn't confiscate it. She's going to court over it but in the first round of court hearings she's lost because the state says that the cops (state troopers) in this case have the right to seize the car, even though she was not driving (that was her argument). They still have the car in impound.

There's something a bit wrong with that. Basically, the cops have impounded the woman's car when it was effectively stolen from her?

[tooki]

That's the US's War On Drugs for you! All common sense was long ago dispensed with.

As for the smell of pot: I don't do any drugs (other than alcohol), but I love the smell of pot, especially in its unburnt state. Too bad they can't sell essence of it in spray bottles or potpourri!

tooki

[Kr0nos]

Originally Posted by tooki

As for the smell of pot: I don't do any drugs (other than alcohol), but I love the smell of pot, especially in its unburnt state. Too bad they can't sell essence of it in spray bottles or potpourri!

I just talked to somebody last week who told me that he 'uses' a kind of 'inhalor' which enables you to inhale the pot vapors in an 'unburnt' (and actually healthy) form.

He told me that the high you catch off of it is a little bit different than actually smoking pot, and that it's less 'harsh'.

[Salty]

Anyone wanna go for pizza?

[Cody Dawg]

Doofy, in a word, yes.

Her argument was that her car was illegally stolen and therefore exempt from seizure. However, the court didn't agree. They said that since he was her brother and therefore a "licensee" of her home that it might be construed that he also had use of her vehicle. In fact, the state argued successfully that if he hadn't been caught driving the vehicle and it was safely at home when she came back home, that she would never have called law enforcement to report her car "stolen." She might have been upset or angry, but it's doubtful that she would call to report grand theft against her brother for a stolen vehicle. Therefore, they ruled that the car was not stolen and he was, in fact, acting as her agent with permission to use the vehicle, lawfully or unlawfully.

I remember being really indignant about the matter and was going to post a thread about it, but then I thought I shouldn't, since so many of my threads are ranting and raving about injustice. I just cannot imagine how crappy I would feel if someone "borrowed" my car and when I came home it was seized by the cops. Gone. And I had several thousands dollars to still pay on the vehicle.

Florida state police are cleaning up because their agency gets to keep a portion of the value for each vehicle seized.

What happened is that the federal government decided that it wanted a piece of the pie also. So, legislation was introduced that now has the forfeited property sold and the entire amount turned over to federal government at the state level; however, 80% of the amount of monies recouped are returned to the agency that seized the assets and the federal government keeps 20%.

It's not going to change anytime soon, that's for sure.

Florida will seize large amounts of cash claiming it is drug money and it's up to the owner of the money to prove in a detailed way where each dollar came from - don't drive with large amounts of cash in your car - and the K9 units are not only trained to sniff drugs, but also cash; a vehicle will be seized even if it has a minimal amount of an illegal substance in it that would constitute a minor infraction against the user of the drug(s); and even cars and boats that have a driver that is a repeated DUI/alcohol offender. In one of the weirdest situations I'd heard about, one fisherman was out snook fishing and had an illegal catch of snook in his cooler in the back of his pickup truck when Fish & Wildlife officials apprehended him as he was towing his boat out of the water...he lost his truck and his boat in a forfeiture which the courts upheld as legal!

So, I guess what I'm saying is be VERY CAREFUL if you live in Florida because if you get pulled over and you have an illegal substance in your car, you may just kiss your vehicle good-bye.

[Kevin]

In Ohio you can have about 3 ounces on your before it's even a criminal offense.

Don't get caught with a bowl or what not though.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

I just talked to somebody last week who told me that he 'uses' a kind of 'inhalor' which enables you to inhale the pot vapors in an 'unburnt' (and actually healthy) form.

He told me that the high you catch off of it is a little bit different than actually smoking pot, and that it's less 'harsh'.

Vaporizer. Releases the THC in water vapor without having to actually burn the plant itself. You don't get the "loafy" feeling which is a combination of the other cannabis oils in the plant, a really clean high that doesn't screw with your lungs....in fact THC has been known to help asthma and other lung ailments....of course it doesn't help when burned, but through a vaporizer ony the THC is absorbed into the lungs, nothing else.

The really good ones run around $200 USD, but the money you save on pot, and the damage you save from your lungs is well worth it.

[lpkmckenna]

test

[thestig]

Originally Posted by nerd

I have a friend that will light up almost anywhere. Last time he lit up we were on the ski lift and I had no escape from the smell. .

I feel the same way about cigarette smokers.

[IceEnclosure]

I dun like vaporizers so much.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

I just talked to somebody last week who told me that he 'uses' a kind of 'inhalor' which enables you to inhale the pot vapors in an 'unburnt' (and actually healthy) form.

He told me that the high you catch off of it is a little bit different than actually smoking pot, and that it's less 'harsh'.

Ya I would like to have one but they are $200 or more for a good one.

[Nodnarb]

Originally Posted by tooki

That's the US's War On Drugs for you! All common sense was long ago dispensed with.

As for the smell of pot: I don't do any drugs (other than alcohol), but I love the smell of pot, especially in its unburnt state. Too bad they can't sell essence of it in spray bottles or potpourri!

tooki

I've seen cannibis scented incense in local headshops around here.I just found them from a quick google search, but you might be able to find them from a different place/cheaper/etc. However I can't tell you how accurate the smell is, becuase I usually use inscence to get RID of the weed smell, not make more of it haha.

[bigbird]

...

[ort888]

Back in my stoner days we used to drive around with the buds in our hands, so if you got pulled over, you could just pop them in your mouth and eat them.

As an adult, I don't think I would want people in my car carrying weed. It's just not worth the risk.

[thestig]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure

I dun like vaporizers so much.

Any reason? I've never tried them.