[aberdeenwriter]

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Enron Corp. founder and chief executive Ken Lay, who was convicted in May for his role in the in the Houston-based company's downfall, died of a heart attack on Wednesday at his vacation home in Colorado.

"Ken Lay passed away early this morning in Aspen," Lay family spokeswoman Kelly Kimberly said in a statement.

Lay, 64, was awaiting sentencing later this year and was expected to face a lengthy prison term for his convictions in the Enron collapse.

Lay and former Enron Chief Executive Jeffrey Skilling were convicted of fraud and conspiracy for hiding the financial ruin at Enron, which collapsed into bankruptcy in December 2001.


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...-ENRON-LAY.xml

[Landos Mustache]

Damn, now he can't rot in jail.

[residentEvil]

actually, i'm suprised he didn't committ suicide long before his conviction. or others involved with the collapse/fraud/etc. the stress and emotions have to be extreme. i wonder if they were on meds too?

(just thinking out loud)

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Damn, now he can't rot in jail.

I suppose they could leave his BODY there in a cell for a few decades.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by residentEvil

actually, i'm suprised he didn't committ suicide long before his conviction. or others involved with the collapse/fraud/etc. the stress and emotions have to be extreme. i wonder if they were on meds too?

(just thinking out loud)

Didn't one of them shoot themselves years ago in their car.

[Millennium]

Heart attack. Yeah, sure. My guess is that he committed suicide.

Either way, my sympathies go out to whatever friends and relations may still hold him dear. I'm having a harder time feeling sympathy for the man himself.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Heart attack. Yeah, sure. My guess is that he committed suicide.

I dunno, he was 64 and under A LOT of stress.

[The Godfather]

How's this debt to society going to get paid now???

In ancient China, they'd convict the wife and children. That'll teach him.

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Heart attack. Yeah, sure. My guess is that he committed suicide.

Either way, my sympathies go out to whatever friends and relations may still hold him dear. I'm having a harder time feeling sympathy for the man himself.

I think he comitted suicide also, just like Vince Foster did.

I echo your sympathies, though. Just because we may have some choice names for him, doesn't mean that some people didn't call him "husband" and "father" and are grieving regardless of what the Internet thinks the circumstances are...

[aberdeenwriter]

A friend once told me that she hated her job so much that every day on her drive to work she fantasized about having a traffic accident. Then one day she had a traffic accident. Walked away from it, but the car was totaled.

The mind is a powerful force that most of us have no idea how to use to it's capability.

Could Lay have fantasized escaping imprisonment?

I know a guy who was killed the day before he was due to go to prison.

I have no doubt his subconscious played a part.

Was Lay a suicide?

The Medical Examiner will swear he died of natural causes.

But we'll never really know. But if he did subconsciously use his thoughts to bring on this lethal heart attack, maybe the death certificate should read, "Suicide by natural causes."

[ShortcutToMoncton]

On the day he was convicted, Mr. Lay — who was a prominent member of Houston's First United Methodist Church — told reporters that he maintained his innocence but said he was putting his fate in the hands of God. "We believe God in fact is in control and he does indeed work all things for the good," he said.

greg

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton

greg

Please leave that stuff in the P/L?

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Please leave that stuff in the P/L?

But it's relevant to this thread, so it works here. He didn't bring up Islam out of nowhere.

[OldManMac]

If there is such a place as Hell, may he rot in it, for what he did to thousands of people, many of whom lost their life savings as a result of his inexcusable criminal activity. It's interesting that he was a "prominent" church member. Just goes to show what some people will do to cover their sins, and how they have no conscience.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

But it's relevant to this thread, so it works here. He didn't bring up Islam out of nowhere.

No, it's a matter of being willing to look beyond the surface of things to better understand them. Anytime you look beyond the act or circumstance and find a reason or factor dealing with religion the matter has been determined by precedent to be off limits to this room.

If beneath the news of Lay's death a poster uses that as an excuse to bash Christianity how doesn't that qualify for banishment to the P/L?

It's hard for any intelligent, fair minded person to see the difference between the two.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by KarlG

If there is such a place as Hell, may he rot in it, for what he did to thousands of people, many of whom lost their life savings as a result of his inexcusable criminal activity. It's interesting that he was a "prominent" church member. Just goes to show what some people will do to cover their sins, and how they have no conscience.

Sorry, but can't we leave religion out of it?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

But it's relevant to this thread, so it works here. He didn't bring up Islam out of nowhere.

I was thinking about your comment and was reminded of the flu epidemic of 1918.

[Eriamjh]

I'm sure many will be satisfied with his "death sentence".

Now who gets all the money he has tied up in assets?

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by KarlG

It's interesting that he was a "prominent" church member. Just goes to show what some people will do to cover their sins, and how they have no conscience.

Yet not surprising at all.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

If beneath the news of Lay's death a poster uses that as an excuse to bash Christianity how doesn't that qualify for banishment to the P/L?

No. You complained immediately after a relevant article was quoted. AFTER your initial complaint, a poster separate from the one that posted the quote used the situation to bash Christianity.

You remind me of Rob. After being reprimanded for serious infractions of the rules, you make an intense effort to nitpick and try and find rules being broken everywhere, then act all innocent and pretend like you're doing this out of the goodness of your heart.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

No. You complained immediately after a relevant article was quoted. AFTER your initial complaint, a poster separate from the one that posted the quote used the situation to bash Christianity.

You remind me of Rob. After being reprimanded for serious infractions of the rules, you make an intense effort to nitpick and try and find rules being broken everywhere, then act all innocent and pretend like you're doing this out of the goodness of your heart.

You just don't understand. I am the victim, here! Racial equality is the victim and it goes on under the surface like a sniper you can't see. Like the DC snipers. Yet, it's victims lie before you, bleeding.

You are just unfair!

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

No. You complained immediately after a relevant article was quoted. AFTER your initial complaint, a poster separate from the one that posted the quote used the situation to bash Christianity.

You remind me of Rob. After being reprimanded for serious infractions of the rules, you make an intense effort to nitpick and try and find rules being broken everywhere, then act all innocent and pretend like you're doing this out of the goodness of your heart.

Off topic.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Off topic.

Please stop playing mod evertime a subject comes up that conflicts with your personal beliefs.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

**** off, abe. It was a relevant quote from an article in a Canadian publication. If God is in control, and he put his fate in the hands of his God, then I say God let him down nice and easy.

greg

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton

**** off, abe. It was a relevant quote from an article in a Canadian publication. If God is in control, and he put his fate in the hands of his God, then I say God let him down nice and easy.

greg

And there you have it. Perfectly relevant and on topic.

I guess the truth just hurts to some people.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton

**** off, abe. It was a relevant quote from an article in a Canadian publication. If God is in control, and he put his fate in the hands of his God, then I say God let him down nice and easy.

greg

Maybe you are right. Can you forgive me?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

And there you have it. Perfectly relevant and on topic.

I guess the truth just hurts to some people.

What can I say?

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

What can I say?

Nothing, don't worry about it and lets move on.

[chris v]

Group hug!

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by chris v

Group hug!

Off topic!
/abe

[chris v]

I'm slightly dissapointed that we won't get to miss the spectacle of Bush pardoning Lay. I'm sorry for any pain his children might feel over his sudden death, but I feel no remorse or sympathy for Ken Lay, whatsoever. Call me crass, but there it is.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Heart attack. Yeah, sure. My guess is that he committed suicide.

Either way, my sympathies go out to whatever friends and relations may still hold him dear. I'm having a harder time feeling sympathy for the man himself.

I don't think I could put it any better myself.

[ironknee]

oh kenny boy...i wonder if bush called mrs lay

[Rumor]

Faked death perhaps?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Off topic!
/abe

Do you dislike colored people, Gossamer?

[zerostar]

[::maroma::]

Everyone dies. And he was no spring chicken. And he was convicted of swindling millions of dollars out of the people who made all that money for him. And he never once apologized for it. He's dead now. But the people who's lives he ruined out of pure greed still struggle, and will struggle until they die.

So good riddance Ken. I have no remourse for you or your family. I hope there is indeed an afterlife, and I hope you pay for your misdeeds here on earth for eternity.

[tie]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Either way, my sympathies go out to whatever friends and relations may still hold him dear. I'm having a harder time feeling sympathy for the man himself.

The poor man only had $6.3 million in assets left! Plus an apartment valued at $1.5 million. That's hardly enough for his family, this is a real tragedy. And his friends -- Bush and Cheney -- must really be heartbroken.

Justice failed in this case. Anybody who blows up billions of dollars of other people's money deserves to stew in Guantanamo.

[chris v]

The lesson here, apart from his death, is simple -- rob a 7-11 of 20 dollars, and you're toast. Rob hundreds of thousands of people of BILLIONS (don't forget the California power consumers, and Enron's manufactured power crisis there) and you can skate without ever seeing the inside of a cell, or maybe having to do 6 months of easy time, while your millions collect interest.

Even if he hadn't died, he would have remained out on appeal indefinitely, and possibly have been pardoned by his close personal friend, the President, whose end of term was aligning nicely with Lay's appeal. I'd say we were robbed of justice by his untimely death, but I doubt it would have been served were he alive, either.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Do you dislike colored people, Gossamer?

Off topic!

[mojo2]

Whenever we have large events like this, things which touch the hearts or wallets of millions of people I believe it is a test to show God how we are doing as a people.

As we ask to be forgiven our trespasses so are we supposed to forgive those who trespass against us.

It is easy to forgive the ones who are kind and sweet and generous. But more difficult to apply our loving and forgiving principles to those who we allow to push us into the harsh, judgmental mode.

Forgive him, but not his deeds.

[kobi]

I'm with Rumor on the faked death. With his death, the settlement is no longer valid, in fact the whole trial, Enron case will be forgotten.

The question is, who stands to gain from his death? I think we all know the answers.

With Lay dead, Bushie and Dick won't have to come out of pocket; they just get to keep their share of the money.

[porieux]

I think the autopsy should be shown on TV, just to be sure.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by kobi

I'm with Rumor on the faked death. With his death, the settlement is no longer valid, in fact the whole trial, Enron case will be forgotten.

The question is, who stands to gain from his death? I think we all know the answers.

With Lay dead, Bushie and Dick won't have to come out of pocket; they just get to keep their share of the money.

What money, kobi?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by kobi

I'm with Rumor on the faked death. With his death, the settlement is no longer valid, in fact the whole trial, Enron case will be forgotten.

The question is, who stands to gain from his death? I think we all know the answers.

With Lay dead, Bushie and Dick won't have to come out of pocket; they just get to keep their share of the money.

The education system does no one any good by making every answer a child imagines seem like it's the right answer.

Sometimes one answer really is the only answer. By encouraging relativism in the schools anytime someone disagrees with reality they simply make up their OWN truth. Whether it's true or not.

kobi, there comes a time when you must accept reality. There is no conspiracy behind every unpopular event in life.

This is another game that can be played until EVERYONE suffers. Making up these theories only makes it more difficult for people to see the truth.

But, maybe that's what you intended!

No politics in the lounge. No religion in the lounge.

And, please, no conspiracy theories in the lounge.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

And, please, no conspiracy theories in the lounge.

Yeah, save the three pronged approach for the P/W Lounge

[ironknee]

Nero
Goering
Lay

[Kerrigan]

Ken Lay might have agreed that Israel has no right to exist and that it rightfully belongs to the Palestinians who ought to continue their terrorist activities until Israel ceases to exist.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Ken Lay might have agreed that Israel has no right to exist and that it rightfully belongs to the Palestinians who ought to continue their terrorist activities until Israel ceases to exist.

What point are you trying to make?

If your (off-topic) point is that Ken Lay's death was caused by religion, you are wrong. If you are trying to say that every topic links to religion, the question would be how many degrees of separation are you willing to go to make the connection.

For the record, any efforts of mine to link religion to another matter or topic in the past can be seen as directly linking that topic to a cause or an effect.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Yet not surprising at all.

SWG Stereotyping since Dec 2002.