[iomatic]

http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/13295

The dirty little secret about Apple (AAPL) is that even though it is by far the #1 retailer of digital music, they simply just don’t make that much money from it. One billion songs on iTunes equals only one Billion dollars in revenue since the service was initiated. Apple makes far more money on selling the hardware.

Wha…? A billion dollars plus hardware sales is… bad? A dirty secret? What is this Microsoft-____sucker thinking?

This is the typical apologist mentality pervading the U.S. today. Retahded. Rove, Frist, DeLay, Cheney ring a bell?

The real iPod killer will be the ability to scale the service across multiple platforms, something Apple simply cannot do, and it is an excellent example of the strength Microsoft can derive from its massive reach.

Huh? How is this going to be implemented? Here he's just tossing "scale" "multiple platforms" like he knows what he's talking about, when really his only sources are rumors? Idiot of the first degree. Look, sure Apple needs to keep innovating, sure they need to get the next big thing going, but all this BS sounds a lot like sour grapes to me.

STOP SUCKING MICROSOFT C*CK! It's bad for you.

[Gossamer]

Fanboy
http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lounge/300958/microsoft-provide-free-versions-all-your/

[production_coordinator]

Google "iPod Killer" and you get around 3,560,000 references.

Originally Posted by From the article:

Too many people are attaching the term iPod killer to the new hardware Microsoft is working on. The real iPod killer will be the ability to scale the service across multiple platforms, something Apple simply cannot do, and it is an excellent example of the strength Microsoft can derive from its massive reach.

I'm still struggling to come up with a piece of hardware Microsoft has sold that's done well. The Xbox 360... still isn't consistently beating out the PS2 for crying out loud.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Xbox...PS2/1150211868

[goMac]

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

Google "iPod Killer" and you get around 3,560,000 references.





I'm still struggling to come up with a piece of hardware Microsoft has sold that's done well. The Xbox 360... still isn't consistently beating out the PS2 for crying out loud.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Xbox...PS2/1150211868

* ahem *

From TFA:
"In May, the PS2 sold approximately 232,000 units to the Xbox 360's 221,000. In April, the roles were reversed, with the Xbox 360 outpacing the PS2 by about 90,000 consoles with an estimated 295,381 consoles sold."

For one month the PS2 pulls ahead, and not by much.

[iomatic]

I'm curious; do you mean you are a fanboy, or are you calling me one? Because all I could find out about you was your prolific use of non sequiturs:

http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?searchid=1020618

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Fanboy
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=300958

And your point is…?

[Landos Mustache]

a pic?

YAWN!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/10/m...-media-player/

[f1000]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/10/m...-media-player/

The charcoal bezel is tré ugly.

[Kerrigan]

MS actually does make good hardware. The original XBox was a quality device for a 1st gen games console, and it had the most appealing feature set.

The 360's controller is considered by a lot of people to be the most comfortable games controller on the market. The 360 is selling well despite supply shortages, and again, it is a quality machine. It even has a faster processor than the G5.

Their input devices are some of the best on the market.. they're 1) more ergonomic and 2) more functional than Apple's offerings.

I'm no MS fanboy, but there's no need to trash their products. For goodness's sake all they're doing is trying to make a product with better features than the iPod.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by iomatic

I'm curious; do you mean you are a fanboy, or are you calling me one? Because all I could find out about you was your prolific use of non sequiturs:

http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?searchid=1020618

And your point is…?

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

I'm confused.
And my point is that there's already a thread less than four days old outlining this exact info.

[Kerrigan]

I think if I were about to have gay sex with some dude, and he pulled out an MS mp3 player to put some slow music... well, it would be sexier to have a black iPod than that thing.

[d4nth3m4n]

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

Google "iPod Killer" and you get around 3,560,000 references.





I'm still struggling to come up with a piece of hardware Microsoft has sold that's done well. The Xbox 360... still isn't consistently beating out the PS2 for crying out loud.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Xbox...PS2/1150211868

they make pretty good mice and keyboards.

[iomatic]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

MS actually does make good hardware.
…
It even has a faster processor than the G5.
…

I agree with most of your points but the fact the XBox 360 has a faster processor than the G5 is some kind of logical fallacy, I'm just not certain which. Perhaps not even that; simply a phrase with no context?

However, to state that Microsoft makes good hardware products (still debatable) does not infer nor conclude that they are going to come up with an iPod killer. I was simply stating that the author's comments were based on BS, that his lack of logical deduction makes his argument against Apple spurious, and more importantly, that you should stop sucking Microsoft ____.

[Kerrigan]

I didn't imply that they would make an iPod killer, I just pointed out that MS has a successful history with making good quality hardware, and that they shouldn't be written off.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by iomatic

I agree with most of your points but the fact the XBox 360 has a faster processor than the G5 is some kind of logical fallacy, I'm just not certain which.

"At the heart of the Xbox 360 is a three-core IBM PowerPC processor running at 3.2 GHz"

Not bad for a $300 box, considering what Apple charges for the PowerMac.

[Velocity211]

microsoft can never make something that could kill the iPod? "Should Apple Be Scared? You Bet!"

[Velocity211]

When talking about hardware, the PS3 kills the 360, every component of the PS3 is far superior.

[Kerrigan]

Too bad it doesn't exist yet, and will cost twice as much.

[Velocity211]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Too bad it doesn't exist yet, and will cost twice as much.

Yeah, I guessing my PS2 is gonna have to do for years to come.

[Kerrigan]

You guessing right.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally Posted by iomatic

http://ce.seekingalpha.com/article/13295

This is the typical apologist mentality pervading the U.S. today. Retahded. Rove, Frist, DeLay, Cheney ring a bell?

They sure rung YOUR bell! But unlike Pavlov's dogs which salivated at the sound of the bell, apparently you respond in a different manner.

Originally Posted by iomatic

STOP SUCKING MICROSOFT C*CK! It's bad for you.

I mean, c'mon! What's a supposed iPod killer got to do with the US Government administration? Some people just look to bash wherever and whenever and however they can.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by goMac

* ahem *

From TFA:
"In May, the PS2 sold approximately 232,000 units to the Xbox 360's 221,000. In April, the roles were reversed, with the Xbox 360 outpacing the PS2 by about 90,000 consoles with an estimated 295,381 consoles sold."

For one month the PS2 pulls ahead, and not by much.

Didn't the PS2 drop in price right around April or May?

[JoshuaZ]

iPod killer.... I always imagine some guy going around knocking off iPods. An iPod hitman.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

"At the heart of the Xbox 360 is a three-core IBM PowerPC processor running at 3.2 GHz"

Not bad for a $300 box, considering what Apple charges for the PowerMac.

Those three cores *together* have a quarter (or a half, can't remember) the transistors of a single G5 core.

Still not all *that* bad, but then, Microsoft has always sold Xbox at a loss.

[iomatic]

Oh, I baited you good.




I was only making a corollary between the U.S. political leadership and the dazed populous vis-à-vis iPod and the consumer market. Not trying to start any sort of political debate; but it's undeniably true that the public will blindly follow the leadership no matter how corrupt, and others will follow Microsoft no matter how crappy the OS/device/thing they make.

That you liken this debate to a simple early Psychology 101 demonstration is yet another logical fallacy, one without any merit; a non sequitur of the typical conservative mindset. It's a pattern: you simply won't acknowledge facts— real facts— not those spoon-fed to you by Fox "News" (note the use of ironic quotes): they lied, cheated, and stole, enough to warrant investigation. And when someone points this out all you can do is call me a salivating dog. Nice backup; good use of logic (not).

Whatever, man.


Seriously, it's cool with me: enjoy your opinions, perhaps some day your world of hate will fade away and you can show love and compassion toward other human beings.

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

They sure rung YOUR bell! But unlike Pavlov's dogs which salivated at the sound of the bell, apparently you respond in a different manner.





I mean, c'mon! What's a supposed iPod killer got to do with the US Government administration? Some people just look to bash wherever and whenever and however they can.

Anyway, the thing is going to be ugly, surely, and be cumbersome to use. The only fear I have is they would make it *just* usable, and push hard enough to edge Apple out. They'll come out with something mediocre, and pawn it off as quality, and destroy the landscape of consumer electronics.

[Velocity211]

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7...?tag=cnetfd.sd

ooooh, xPod. So original microsoft, i mean really, how did you come up with that name?

[Kerrigan]

It's been named 'Zune'

Quirky sounding, but then again so is iPod.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by Velocity211

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7...?tag=cnetfd.sd

You know that author is salivating over this. He's been writing about the coming of the iPod Killaz!!1 for ages.

[Velocity211]

The design on that is so generic/dull. Looks like all the other cheap looking mp3 players

[SexySkirts]

How can they get away with this? It has a freaking scroll wheel for christ's sake.

[Eug Wanker]

4:3 screen, portrait orientation. Hmmm...

[ambush]

3G iPod buttons + scroll wheel.

Innovation.

[iomatic]

They just have to make it good enough, market the living crap out of it, et voilá— Microsoft garbage all over the damn place.

[chabig]

That photo is fake. See the Apple dock connector on the bottom? See how the two side buttons are just 3G iPod buttons? See how the round white corners of the device look exactly like a real iPod?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by chabig

That photo is fake. See the Apple dock connector on the bottom? See how the two side buttons are just 3G iPod buttons? See how the round white corners of the device look exactly like a real iPod?

I don't see any Apple dock connector. I do see a shadow where a connection port likely exists.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

4:3 screen, portrait orientation. Hmmm...

[Eug Wanker]

Not sure I understand your point Gossamer.

[Wiskedjak]

Ya, the Zune is certainly not 4:3 portrait. More like 16:9 portrait. Probably not all the way to 16:9, but certainly taller than 4:3

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Ya, the Zune is certainly not 4:3 portrait. More like 16:9 portrait. Probably not all the way to 16:9, but certainly taller than 4:3

Uh no. If you take a screengrab of that pic's screen, it's about 266x201 pixels.

266x201 = 1.32 ~ 4:3

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Not sure I understand your point Gossamer.

Sorry, someone made the clam that the Microsoft device was just a PS of a 3G iPod. I was just showing that the buttons are different.

[Wiskedjak]

Fair enough on the 4:3. Just had a chance to measure it myself. Looked wider to me.