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aberdeenwriter · Jul 26, 2006, 02:24 AM

A-320 Cockpit View: Difficult Approach

This is recent video of an Airbus A-320 of SATA International making a final approach and landing at Funchal, Madeira Is., Portugal.
This airport is known as the "other Kai Tak" because of it's very difficult approach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nYzVXoEYv4

willed · Jul 26, 2006, 04:50 AM

What's so difficult about it?

Honestly - I'm not a professional pilot (unlike half this board it seems!).

baw · Jul 26, 2006, 05:30 AM

Where is the yoke?

Peter · Jul 26, 2006, 05:41 AM

"retard, retard, retard"

Mediaman_12 · Jul 26, 2006, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by baw

Where is the yoke?

Airbus A320 = Sidestick

Andy8 · Jul 26, 2006, 07:10 AM

Kai Tak - we miss you dearly

moonmonkey · Jul 26, 2006, 07:18 AM

I don't, I love the new airport!

Andy8 · Jul 26, 2006, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by moonmonkey

I don't, I love the new airport!

Perhaps I should say I miss the landing approach into Kai Tak.

chabig · Jul 26, 2006, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by willed

What's so difficult about it?

Agreed. It looks pretty normal to me.

Chris

voodoo · Jul 26, 2006, 08:53 AM

http://airliners.net/open.file/1069857/L/

http://airliners.net/open.file/1009912/L/

http://airliners.net/open.file/1028031/L/

http://airliners.net/open.file/0931403/L/

Could be worse I suppose, but still a cool looking runway!

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Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 08:56 AM

That is not a difficult landing at all. I had to land on much much more difficult with a lake at each end of the runway.

Granted it was not in a jumbo jet but still.

analogika · Jul 26, 2006, 08:58 AM

woah.

stilts!

Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 09:01 AM

What runway is that where you can stand on the beach just feet from the start of the runway and have the planes fly right over. It is a tropical destination.

voodoo · Jul 26, 2006, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

What runway is that where you can stand on the beach just feet from the start of the runway and have the planes fly right over. It is a tropical destination.

Princess Juliana, Antilles. SXM/TNCM

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Peter · Jul 26, 2006, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Peter

"retard, retard, retard"

i presume this is portugese - i thought all airplane radio HAD to be in English?

Gossamer · Jul 26, 2006, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Princess Juliana, Antilles. SXM/TNCM

V

Yeah, right here

Eug Wanker · Jul 26, 2006, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

What runway is that where you can stand on the beach just feet from the start of the runway and have the planes fly right over. It is a tropical destination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NemEI...ed&search=

imitchellg5 · Jul 26, 2006, 09:43 AM

Aspen is worse then Portugal, check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv2N1...ed&search=

Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 09:43 AM

It is pretty crazy watching people stand there wanting to get blown away by jet engines.

Actually I would probably do it also but I would be picking the sand out of my teeth for a week.

Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

Aspen is worse then Portugal, check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv2N1...ed&search=

There is also some runway where the poor pilot has to land on a downward hill.

In some asian country you practically scratch the roof of residential apartments.

Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

Aspen is worse then Portugal, check out this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv2N1...ed&search=

That is deadly. He was being hit by wind-shear which can't be picked up easily without special equipment. It can literally turn a jet upside down right before you touch down.

Gossamer · Jul 26, 2006, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

That is deadly. He was being hit by wind-shear which can't be picked up easily without special equipment. It can literally turn a jet upside down right before you touch down.

Wow, he came really close to hitting the ground! That would definitely be a scary experience!

Y3a · Jul 26, 2006, 10:16 AM

The 320 is a VERY HEAVY plane, I'm glad it stopped before rolling of the other end of the runway.

voodoo · Jul 26, 2006, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Y3a

The 320 is a VERY HEAVY plane, I'm glad it stopped before rolling of the other end of the runway.

The 320 is a very heavy plane? The 330 is way heavier.

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Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Wow, he came really close to hitting the ground! That would definitely be a scary experience!

When I was piloting I was also hit by wind-shear, scared the hell out of me. I was a few feet from the ground and all of a sudden my plan practically turned on it's side and the tip of the wing almost scraped the runway. It is even more deadly because when landing you are going so slow you are close to stall speed so when I was at that angle I almost stalled and would have fallen 30 feet to the ground in a big flop.

analogika · Jul 26, 2006, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

In some asian country you practically scratch the roof of residential apartments.

That was the Kai Tak Airport mentioned above a couple of times.

Hong Kong's old airport.

You approached in a sharp curve right along a mountain range, came out of that just a couple of dozen meters above the Kowloon housing projects, and then set down on a runway jutting out into HK harbour.

I don't think any real disaster ever happened there, though an aircraft would shear off the strip every once in a while and dunk in the water.

Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

You approached in a sharp curve right along a mountain range, came out of that just a couple of dozen meters above the Kowloon housing projects, and then set down on a runway jutting out into HK harbour.

Nervermind the plane, what a horrible place to live!

Judge_Fire · Jul 26, 2006, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Princess Juliana, Antilles. SXM/TNCM

V

Skiathos Island in Greece is a bit like that, too.

voodoo · Jul 26, 2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Judge_Fire

Skiathos Island in Greece is a bit like that, too.

True..

http://airliners.net/open.file/0236797/L/

http://airliners.net/open.file/0050989/L/

V

Judge_Fire · Jul 26, 2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

True..

V

Yeah, found a video,too :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGN9iHWyGdA

The captain announced the landing will be a bitch, a short downhill runway. Right he was, full reverse thrust feels, uh, thrusty.

J

olePigeon · Jul 26, 2006, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Princess Juliana, Antilles. SXM/TNCM

V

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NemEI...ed&search=

That's insane!

aberdeenwriter · Jul 26, 2006, 04:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVgwFCNQrc0

How NOT to land a plane.

But I'd imagine there was a great deal of skill at work here. And some luck?

Landos Mustache · Jul 26, 2006, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVgwFCNQrc0

How NOT to land a plane.

But I'd imagine there was a great deal of skill at work here. And some luck?

It looks fake to me. It looks like a toy.

aberdeenwriter · Jul 26, 2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

It looks fake to me.

[aberdeenwriter looks at lando's mustache, thinks a moment then backs away, smiling.]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

It looks like a toy.

Do you think it is?

mac128k-1984 · Jul 26, 2006, 05:05 PM

So let me get this straight, the pilot and copilot sit there and the plane lands itself. Once on the ground they're needed to turn the engines off. Why not just use a stewardess to turn everything off once they're on the ground.

badidea · Jul 26, 2006, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

It looks fake to me. It looks like a toy.

Yeah, I always had the same feeling when I saw that video but I can assure you that this is not fake!!

aberdeenwriter · Jul 26, 2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by mac128k-1984

So let me get this straight, the pilot and copilot sit there and the plane lands itself. Once on the ground they're needed to turn the engines off. Why not just use a stewardess to turn everything off once they're on the ground.

Landings in crosswinds. These look like Boeing test flights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzwoCADjd9Y

This is why pilots are needed.

aberdeenwriter · Jul 26, 2006, 06:18 PM

Many of you have already seen this video of a VERY realistic looking larger sized scale model RC, F-14 Tomcat, but for those who haven't, you'll enjoy this and if you have seen it, it never ceases to bring a smile to your heart, I'd bet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A2CQQVKVfk

Sky Captain · Jul 26, 2006, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Landings in crosswinds. These look like Boeing test flights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzwoCADjd9Y

This is why pilots are needed.

This is a crosswind/sideloading test flight.
Notice the streamer on the vertical fin.

On another note, my father in law tells me that the approach into Pago Pago the surf will sometimes break OVER the runway. Completely over.

Dark Helmet · Jul 26, 2006, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by badidea

Yeah, I always had the same feeling when I saw that video but I can assure you that this is not fake!!

"THIS IS FAKE, it is a model plane for a old beer commerchail that aired in the uk, in the end you hear a bit of the addvertising! ( you can tell its a model plane beause real ones DONT have hydraulics!!) also the wheels are not in scale witht he plane, witch is standard on all rc planes"

Thanks for the assurance.

Sky Captain · 06:26 AM

Here's a couple of my landings.
The first one is Eaufala Alabama.
The second one is the approach into where I keep my plane now. In the mountains.
This is why get picked to medivac patients out of Honduran villages.

Movie 1

Movie 2

badidea · Jul 27, 2006, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

"THIS IS FAKE, it is a model plane for a old beer commerchail that aired in the uk, in the end you hear a bit of the addvertising! ( you can tell its a model plane beause real ones DONT have hydraulics!!) also the wheels are not in scale witht he plane, witch is standard on all rc planes"

Thanks for the assurance.

Real planes don't have hydraulics??
Suuuuure!!

But I'm ok if this one is in fact fake - the video I know is a different one but shows the exact same kind of weird landing...and IT IS A REAL PLANE!!!!

voodoo · Jul 27, 2006, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVgwFCNQrc0

How NOT to land a plane.

But I'd imagine there was a great deal of skill at work here. And some luck?

That is a remote controlled toy airplane. The video was made for a Dutch Heineken TV commercial. The undercarriage of any real plane would be smashed in circumstance close to this one.

V

voodoo · Jul 27, 2006, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by badidea

Yeah, I always had the same feeling when I saw that video but I can assure you that this is not fake!!

It's fake..

(no there is no real video of this incident or a similar real incident. a real plane would have been severely damaged after such a landing if not written off)

V

voodoo · Jul 27, 2006, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by badidea

But I'm ok if this one is in fact fake - the video I know is a different one but shows the exact same kind of weird landing...and IT IS A REAL PLANE!!!!

Right now, you worry me. An engineer working in aviation should know better and also have spotted immediately that the video posted was fake like Pamela Anderson's chest.

V

badidea · 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Right now, you worry me. An engineer working in aviation should know better and also have spotted immediately that the video posted was fake like Pamela Anderson's chest.

V

First: I am not an aviation engineer and know not very much about how to build an airplane!
It's not like every engineer at Airbus (or Boeing) would be able to build an airplane on his own!

Second: You should tell that to one of our most experienced colleagues (worked as a test pilot and in many other areas for more than 30 years) who showed me a similar video in a training course (aviation basics) a few months ago and when I said that this has to be fake, he said "I know it's surprising but this is not fake - it actually happened"...well, I believed him because he didn't look like he was joking...

...but I never really understood how and why it is possible that a large airplane like this would jump up and down so fast!

Gossamer · Jul 27, 2006, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by badidea

First: I am not an aviation engineer and know not very much about how to build an airplane!
It's not like every engineer at Airbus (or Boeing) would be able to build an airplane on his own!

Second: You should tell that to one of our most experienced colleagues (worked as a test pilot and in many other areas for more than 30 years) who showed me a similar video in a training course (aviation basics) a few months ago and when I said that this has to be fake, he said "I know it's surprising but this is not fake - it actually happened"...well, I believed him because he didn't look like he was joking...

So you're saying that because a video similar to this one is not fake, this one must also be fake, even though it's been made clear that your video was for a training program, and this video was made for an advertisement?

Y3a · Jul 27, 2006, 08:34 AM

What!! No Knife-edge, or roll. Not even a little loop, or stall turn.. They didn't even SLIP on the way in. What kind of pilots ARE THEY??

badidea · Jul 27, 2006, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by voodoo

a real plane would have been severely damaged after such a landing if not written off

You mean like this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8YkB...%20break%20off

Well, this should not happen - not even with a hard landing like this!
But it was a good thing that those pilots landed this hard and broke the tail because there had to be a severe structure problem and better your tail breaks on the ground than in mid air!!!

badidea · Jul 27, 2006, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

So you're saying that because a video similar to this one is not fake, this one must also be fake, even though it's been made clear that your video was for a training program, and this video was made for an advertisement?

When I first said that this video is not fake, I didn't know that it was a commercial!

And all I am saying is that if this video is fake then the one I saw should also be fake (even so a trustable source said otherwise) because the exact same "bounci bounci jump jump" happened there!

And it seems just logic that this is a small airplane model (even though a trustable source told me something else)!

(btw: I'm not 100% sure if I really saw a different video!)