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besson3c · Aug 7, 2006, 09:58 PM

http://www.macosforge.org/

This site is apparently sponsored by Apple, where you can download the source to the actual OS X 10.4.7 kernel source code, and source code for other projects as well:

- Webkit (nightlies, etc.)
- Launchd
- Bonjour
- apparently iCal server, but I can't get this page to load

(not sure what happening with Apple's streaming server).

There is no mention of the word "Darwin", I guess this has been dropped.

DarwinPorts has also decided they are going to move to have their project hosted here, and their name changed to "MacPorts".

Very exciting stuff! I'm particularly excited about iCal server and the ramifications of opening up the kernel.

El Gato · Aug 7, 2006, 11:10 PM

Apple Teams, huh? Sounds like a collaboration app. Was this mentioned somewhere and I just missed it?

Accounts in iCal 10.5 - hopefully this includes Exchange accounts.

besson3c · Aug 8, 2006, 09:09 PM

Teams:

Teams is a feature of Mac OS X Server, slated for Leopard (10.5). Among its features, it includes a web-based calendar client which works with the Calendar Server.

No info about 10.5 server on Apple's site yet, I guess this is a leak!

Art Vandelay · Aug 8, 2006, 09:29 PM

There's a whole section devoted to Leopard Server on Apple.com.

hickey · Aug 8, 2006, 10:11 PM

So, by releasing the source code to everyone, will that in turn make it easier for viruses/spyware/malware/trojans/whatever to be written for OS X?

Not trying to start an argument about how stable OS X is, just a simple question.

tooki · Aug 8, 2006, 11:37 PM

Linux has shown the opposite to be true: open source code makes it easier to identify the errors that cause holes, so they end up getting fixed sooner. Most exploits are not discovered by scouring source code, as Windows shows, since its source code is closed. (In fact, reverse-engineering source code to figure out how it does what it's supposed to do is extremely challenging; trying to figure out things it isn't supposed to do is damned near impossible.)

tooki

hickey · Aug 9, 2006, 10:34 AM

awesome. thanks tooki

davesimondotcom · Aug 9, 2006, 11:34 AM

Interesting stuff.

Millennium · Aug 9, 2006, 01:53 PM

It would be interesting to see the last Darwin/Intel source from before it was closed, compared to the new Darwin/Intel source. What changes, if any, were made during that time?

Alas, I don't have a copy of the Darwin/Intel source from around that time, so I cannot check this out for myself. But someone you there must have something.

nonhuman · Aug 9, 2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

It would be interesting to see the last Darwin/Intel source from before it was closed, compared to the new Darwin/Intel source. What changes, if any, were made during that time?

Alas, I don't have a copy of the Darwin/Intel source from around that time, so I cannot check this out for myself. But someone you there must have something.

I believe the Darwin source for Intel was closed up until now. This was one of the things that was really bothering people in certain fields (like the sciences) where they have previously relied on being able to optimize the kernel for their own purposes. I imagine this was quite a relief for them.

Millennium · Aug 9, 2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

I believe the Darwin source for Intel was closed up until now.

It was open for quite some time. I believe they closed it shortly before the release of the first Mactels, but now they've opened it again.

TheoCryst · Aug 9, 2006, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

It was open for quite some time. I believe they closed it shortly before the release of the first Mactels, but now they've opened it again.

True, true. I have a CD of Darwin 8.01 (x86) from around the time that the first dev copy of OS X x86 was released (10.4.1, for all those who are interested). However, I don't have the source code, just a compiled version of Darwin.

Hmm, remind me to install it on my old Toshiba lappy one of these days.