[Kadman]

http://www.collegehumor.com/movies/1703832/

Excellent spoof of the new PC vs Mac commercials. The clip is hosted on a site that has "bikini'ish/PG 13" advertising, but nothing too racy.

[starman]

It's lame.

[Millennium]

It's an interesting piece, to be sure. You can interpret the video to be highly biased toward either side: is it trying to say that the Wii focuses on getting back to just having fun with your games, or is it saying that the Wii is all flash and no substance? Either side can make compelling arguments.

But is it funny? Not really.

[starman]

There are very few commercial spoofs that actually work. They're done by a bunch of drunk college kids that think they can replace <Apple> with <something else> and drag it out WAY too long and call it funny.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by starman

There are very few commercial spoofs that actually work. They're done by a bunch of drunk college kids that think they can replace <Apple> with <something else> and drag it out WAY too long and call it funny.

Bingo... it could have been funny if it was 15 seconds or less... but they tried to jam in too much information.

[Aiglos]

Originally Posted by Millennium

It's an interesting piece, to be sure. You can interpret the video to be highly biased toward either side: is it trying to say that the Wii focuses on getting back to just having fun with your games, or is it saying that the Wii is all flash and no substance? Either side can make compelling arguments.

But is it funny? Not really.

This post is 10x better than the video.

[Landos Mustache]

I think the Wii will start off strong. It will then sink slightly as the first round of games will not make the best use of the controller. Then there will be a drought of games. Then the second round of games will be more refined and help maintain sales. Pretty much like DS.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I think the Wii will start off strong. It will then sink slightly as the first round of games will not make the best use of the controller. Then there will be a drought of games. Then the second round of games will be more refined and help maintain sales. Pretty much like DS.

Thats what i think as well..... If Nintendo maintains a steady stream of AAA titles, that would be great. But they also need a great launch library to get those $$$ from ppl trying to choose between a PS3 or a Wii. And despite what they(Nintendo) say, with a large segment of the population content with one gaming console, they are competing for the same $$$ that Sony and Microsoft will be.

I think it will pan out similar to the way the DS did though....thats my crystal ball gazing.

Cheers

PS>> as far as the spoof. i like it. wasnt too biased if you think about it. Wii = skank, PS3 = 'brainy fat chick'. what does it boil down to ? id rather have fun with a skank than a fat chick, but hey thats just me

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Thats what i think as well..... If Nintendo maintains a steady stream of AAA titles, that would be great. But they also need a great launch library to get those $$$ from ppl trying to choose between a PS3 or a Wii.

So far here are my main concerns for the Wii:

#1 No high def support. ALL games better support widescreen though as there is no technical reason it shouldn't.

No Mario at launch.

Wii connect uses those stupid friend codes. It has BETTER be one code per person not per game like the DS.

Bad controls. At E3 people were very excited but even the fanboys were concerned over the control and accuracy.

3rd party support. This has been a serious issue since the N64.

[Calimus]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

So far here are my main concerns for the Wii:

#1 No high def support. ALL games better support widescreen though as there is no technical reason it shouldn't.

No Mario at launch.

Wii connect uses those stupid friend codes. It has BETTER be one code per person not per game like the DS.

Bad controls. At E3 people were very excited but even the fanboys were concerned over the control and accuracy.

3rd party support. This has been a serious issue since the N64.

I too worry about the high def support, but I think it won't be a big issue for another 2-3 years for most consumers.

Mario galaxy will be out within a few months of launch, and so far the launch list is 27 games, so I'm not too worried there.

The friend codes might be an issue, but for the most part I haven't used the friend codes on the ds and just connect to random people when I want to play anyway.

The controls are a HUGE point I think. People have no experience with this type of control and there are people with all kinds of crazy expectations that could be dashed when it's not the second coming of christ.

On 3rd party support, I'm not worried, EA has said they are devoting more resources to Wii than PS3, Ubi soft is going crazy on Wii titles, and there are a number of other developers who have praised the Wii. There certainly won't be a lack of 3rd party support at the consoles launch, or for the first 6 months-year, but if it doesn't catch on, then we could see 3rd party support trail off.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Calimus

The controls are a HUGE point I think. People have no experience with this type of control and there are people with all kinds of crazy expectations that could be dashed when it's not the second coming of christ.

Not totally true. There have been LOTS of motion controlled game devices even from Nintendo in the past. Problem is they ALL bombed horribly.

Sure we got fancier technology these days but even at E3 the problems were still there.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

No Mario at launch.

Thats the Achilles’ heel of the Wii imo.

Third part support looks healthy....... almost unbeleivably healthy.

High def.... im not too worried about that one for now. majority of the Wii's target audience arent on the HD bandwagon yet....could be a problem 2-3 years down the line.

Control.... the hardware...works. sensitivity, etc...are something developers need to figure out. If you use Windows and Macs, ull notice that the mouse...although identical hardware, actually behave quite differently....these are choices and dimensions the developer's will need to define...thats where the 'creativity' comes in imo.

But the lack of a Mario launch title is a biggie imo.

[Calimus]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Not totally true. There have been LOTS of motion controlled game devices even from Nintendo in the past. Problem is they ALL bombed horribly.

Sure we got fancier technology these days but even at E3 the problems were still there.

We've had motion controlls before, but not with the type of technology the Wiimote is using. There are two points of reference, the accelerometers in the controller, and the IR reciever below the tv, so I think it has the possibility to be much more precise with the two inputs.

But like you, I am skeptical as well. I had the powerglove when I was a kid, and was sorely dissapointed, though in that case, it really was very limited motion input, essentially limited by the digital D pad of the NES. It didn't even seem to be analog input, just turning on and off the four directions, up, down, left, right, but not how far you moved in each direction, or keeping track of your position like a mouse cursor. Plus the weight was a big issue, where the Wii controllers are basically a tv remote you can rest on the arm of your couch as you play if you wanted.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Thats the Achilles’ heel of the Wii imo.

Third part support looks healthy....... almost unbeleivably healthy.

High def.... im not too worried about that one for now. majority of the Wii's target audience arent on the HD bandwagon yet....could be a problem 2-3 years down the line.

1) Remember what happened to the GameCube because the only mario we got at launch was Luigi's Mansion. Mario galaxies doesn't look that original or exciting. One of the best selling PS2 games called Ratchet and Clank had levels that looked exactly the same where you traveled around on these small moons with a strange perspective.

2) The Wii is supposed to last for 5+ years. Right now HDTV sales are at about 15% of TV watchers. There are more HDTV's out there then gamecubes. 100% of Wii demo's so far have been on High Def, widescreen TV's even though the games don't do more than 480p. The sales of HDTV's are exploding to the point of it is getting hard to find regular def TV's at moderate sizes. Gamers are more likely to buy these TV's also. Even the PS2 supports 1080i high def and the slim PS2 is the same size as the wii and 6 years old and cheap. No excuses for Nintendo.

3) When the gamecube was announced there was lots of developer excitement and support. It quickly fell because of the limited disk size and having to downsample aspects of the games to support the hardware. If a games came out for all 3 systems it looked best on Xbox, sounded best on PS2 and was visually ok on the cube but the audio stunk.

[Calimus]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

1) Remember what happened to the GameCube because the only mario we got at launch was Luigi's Mansion. Mario galaxies doesn't look that original or exciting. One of the best selling PS2 games called Ratchet and Clank had levels that looked exactly the same where you traveled around on these small moons with a strange perspective.

2) The Wii is supposed to last for 5+ years. Right now HDTV sales are at about 15% of TV watchers. There are more HDTV's out there then gamecubes. 100% of Wii demo's so far have been on High Def, widescreen TV's even though the games don't do more than 480p. The sales of HDTV's are exploding to the point of it is getting hard to find regular def TV's at moderate sizes. Gamers are more likely to buy these TV's also. Even the PS2 supports 1080i high def and the slim PS2 is the same size as the wii and 6 years old and cheap. No excuses for Nintendo.

3) When the gamecube was announced there was lots of developer excitement and support. It quickly fell because of the limited disk size and having to downsample aspects of the games to support the hardware. If a games came out for all 3 systems it looked best on Xbox, sounded best on PS2 and was visually ok on the cube but the audio stunk.

Good points on mario at launch and the gamecube developers.

I'm still not convinced on the HDTV aspect. While HD sets are 15% of sales, they are probably 1 or maybe 2% of the installed TV base. In 2-3 years it will be up to maybe 30% of installed base. If you look at the people that have HDTV now or in the next year, they would have no problem throwing down $600 for a PS3 or 360 so they are certainly a factor, but not the audience Nintendo is shooting for. Nintendo wants is going for mass market, rather than the small niche gaming market. If they really can appeal to the "non gamer" market there are potentially 5-6 times the number of customers that the PS2 sold to, especially at the low price of the Wii. But as with most things, it's impossible to know how it will play out beforehand.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Calimus

Good points on mario at launch and the gamecube developers.

I'm still not convinced on the HDTV aspect. While HD sets are 15% of sales, they are probably 1 or maybe 2% of the installed TV base.

No, to clarify the INSTALL BASE of HDTV's is currently at 15% or higher. Not 15% of sales, sales would be even higher.

If Nintendo is shooting for mass market they have to understand that in a couple years HDTV will be the mass market.

Remember how the N64 needed that video RAM upgrade as the original 2MB of RAM proved to be inefficient after about a year?

[jckalen]

3rd party developers are probably getting into the idea of keeping things relatively simple. I think some of the games being developed for the PS3 and 360 are going to start having a problem. A company has to make a MAJOR investment to develop a game that uses all the bells and whistles for these new consoles. We're talking a couple of years worth of work, and not just finding programmers who can keep up with hi-def 3D rendering, but hiring orchestras for soundtracks, finding legit voice talent, etc...

Costs are running into the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) to make seriously high-end games. One lousy game could result in the developers doom. Meanwhile, they could take a "back to basics" approach with the wii and crank out a handful of games in the same amount of time and for less money than the fancy consoles... and if one of those games rots, hopefully the others will make up for the loss.

[Calimus]

Originally Posted by jckalen

3rd party developers are probably getting into the idea of keeping things relatively simple. I think some of the games being developed for the PS3 and 360 are going to start having a problem. A company has to make a MAJOR investment to develop a game that uses all the bells and whistles for these new consoles. We're talking a couple of years worth of work, and not just finding programmers who can keep up with hi-def 3D rendering, but hiring orchestras for soundtracks, finding legit voice talent, etc...

Costs are running into the hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) to make seriously high-end games. One lousy game could result in the developers doom. Meanwhile, they could take a "back to basics" approach with the wii and crank out a handful of games in the same amount of time and for less money than the fancy consoles... and if one of those games rots, hopefully the others will make up for the loss.

This is another good point. The ps3/360 development costs are way over 1 million. A number of the games are approaching $30 million in development costs.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Calimus

This is another good point. The ps3/360 development costs are way over 1 million. A number of the games are approaching $30 million in development costs.

Very true. But that is why Xbox has Xbox live. They are even allowing anyone with $1000 to develop a game for it.

[Velocity211]

What's the hype with the Wii? It's basically a gamecube in a new case.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Velocity211

What's the hype with the Wii? It's basically a gamecube in a new case.

Well that's not really fair. It is more like an Xbox with no hard drive and an interesting controller that hopefully works like it should.

[Velocity211]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Well that's not really fair. It is more like an Xbox with no hard drive and an interesting controller that hopefully works like it should.

I don't really have anything against nintendo. It's just at E3, when I saw the presentations, the games just look the same as the gamecube, and the controller is just odd IMO.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

If Nintendo is shooting for mass market they have to understand that in a couple years HDTV will be the mass market.

Not unless the price on HDTV goes way down, it won't. Many people still can't afford even low-end HDTV sets, and even among those who can, many aren't willing to spend that much money on a television set. This the segment of the market that Nintendo is going after, and although they will inevitably shrink, it won't happen fast enough to become an issue during this generation of consoles. Given that, why bother?

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Millennium

Not unless the price on HDTV goes way down, it won't.

It has. Just about every cheap ass computer LCD nowadays is high def with DVI input.

Not to mention you can get a really good HDTV for about $1000.

I'm sure the penetration of HDTV is way higher in Ninendo's home base of Japan.

[Salty]

The video would have been better if it had been quick and witty. Instead of long and drawn out.. not to mention why on earth did the PS3 call Blu-Ray THE Blu-Ray?

[Peder Rice]

Millennium, I think that with the launch of the Wii and the PS3, we're going to learn quite a bit about the spending habits of Americans.

I believe that Sony is right in pricing the PS3 at the $500 mark. People today readily purchase games at $50 a pop, and when they purchase a console, they usually buy a couple of extra controllers (, a multitap back in the PSone and PS2 days) and a memory card. Within two weeks of our PS2 purchase, we had spent roughly $500. And that was years ago before gaming really took off (PC gaming was still rather reserved for l33t g33ks back then, remember?).

Today, the g33k that has dropped $3k on his gaming rig is all too commonplace. It's clear that gamers will pay a premium for performance and games. They aren't interested in yesterday's hardware and games (the Wii). They're willing to pay for the cutting edge, even if the cutting edge could be beaten up seven ways to Sunday by the gameplay and fun of the classics (which the Wii will let you play, presumably for free or for next to nothing).

Bottom line: brilliant pricing strategy by Sony.

[Peder Rice]

Oh, and the spoof: anyone think it was maybe produced by Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft?

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Peder Rice

Oh, and the spoof: anyone think it was maybe produced by Nintendo or Sony or Microsoft?

Nope.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Peder Rice

Millennium, I think that with the launch of the Wii and the PS3, we're going to learn quite a bit about the spending habits of Americans.

I believe that Sony is right in pricing the PS3 at the $500 mark. People today readily purchase games at $50 a pop, and when they purchase a console, they usually buy a couple of extra controllers (, a multitap back in the PSone and PS2 days) and a memory card. Within two weeks of our PS2 purchase, we had spent roughly $500. And that was years ago before gaming really took off (PC gaming was still rather reserved for l33t g33ks back then, remember?).

Today, the g33k that has dropped $3k on his gaming rig is all too commonplace. It's clear that gamers will pay a premium for performance and games. They aren't interested in yesterday's hardware and games (the Wii). They're willing to pay for the cutting edge, even if the cutting edge could be beaten up seven ways to Sunday by the gameplay and fun of the classics (which the Wii will let you play, presumably for free or for next to nothing).

Bottom line: brilliant pricing strategy by Sony.

Econimics 101: higher the price = lower demand.

"The only true next-gen console out there is the Wii. Everything else is just a video card and processor upgrade," - American McGee ...i pretty much agree with him.

As far as gaming being mainstream..... just cause there are more geeks willing to spend more money on higher speced hardware, doesnt mean that everyone will. everyone has a TV, a telephone, a DVD player, a computer...... not everyone plays videogames. beleive it or not, many people prefer to watch TV, goto the gym, goto the beach, goto the movies, read a book, goto bars, etc..... and with good reason..... it's sorta getting boring doing the same ol thing (button mashing) again n again for the last 20 odd years. but hey thats just my opinion.

It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

As far as gaming being mainstream..... just cause there are more geeks willing to spend more money on higher speced hardware, doesnt mean that everyone will. everyone has a TV, a telephone, a DVD player, a computer...... not everyone plays videogames. beleive it or not, many people prefer to watch TV, goto the gym, goto the beach, goto the movies, read a book, goto bars, etc..... and with good reason..... it's sorta getting boring doing the same ol thing (button mashing) again n again for the last 20 odd years. but hey thats just my opinion.

I seriously hope you are not saying that PS, Xbox users spend all their time inside playing video games while Nintendo users are on the beach.

Remember that survey that showed that PS2 users are actually the "casual gamers" and not Nintendo users?

[starman]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Econimics 101: higher the price = lower demand.

And yet the GC failed.

[Landos Mustache]

Lets not turn this into a war but PLEASE remember hawkeye these important lessons nintendo has admitted about the GameCube. We'll forget about the N64.

1) The storage of the GameCube disks is enough for any game (Quickly proved to be not true as some came on 2 disks and ALL ports had poor audio and sometimes textures to make up for the small space). Same goes for cut scenes.

2) "We are concentrating on GAMES". Nintendo admitted a year ago not having a DVD player in the cube hurt it badly.

3) The cube was the cheapest on the market and the easiest to develop for yet the Xbox outsold it even though it cost more, people hate MS, and it was harder to develop for.

4) "Consumers aren't interested in online play". This one speaks for itself.

5) "The GameCube connects to the gameboy, the most popular handheld in the world". Again, we remember how well that turned out.

So you cannot just say because the Wii is concentrating on games, has a different controller and is cheap guarantee's it will win.

The PS2 and cost a pretty penny when it came out and they sold very well even though they were pretty much just upgraded video cards etc. It seems that is what people want. Heck, that is why you buy new computers every few years and people spend $10,000 on Alienware gaming rigs.

I think in American the 360 will do extremely well this time around and I think they deserve it. They pretty much did what the PS3 wanted to do a year ago and everything about it is just about perfect.

The PS3 will not sell as well as the PS2 because of the price point means little Jimmy might not get it for Christmas but the serious gamers will still suck it up.

The Wii will do well if the controls work as they should but no way are they winning the war this time around.

Either way, who cares, I am not picking one like a religion. I will probably have all 3 (I'm gonna get a Wii just to get rid of the damn cube).

[starman]

Shhh! You'll wake the fanboys.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I seriously hope you are not saying that PS, Xbox users spend all their time inside playing video games while Nintendo users are on the beach.

Remember that survey that showed that PS2 users are actually the "casual gamers" and not Nintendo users?

True. I totally agree.... Sony got more casual gamers this past gen with the PS2 than either the GCN or the XBox. Kudos to them. Much of that had to do with the head start they had in the market coupled with the library in my opinion...not price.

Wii vs PS3 roughly same month release. library.... "over 100" titles in development according to that bald Sony dude...over 150 on the Wii as compiled by several websites.

And yes your also right, someone who owns an XBox/PS2 doesnt ONLY play videogames. I was referring to the vast segment of the population who dont play videogames at all.... higher price points will not win them over. if your primary passtime is surfing/pubhopping/gym....chances are you'll be more willing todrop $250 rather than $500 on gaming.

For example: my surf board costs AU$300 and wetsuit AU$200...thats approximately what the Wii will cost. So i could spend AU$900-1000 on 1 PS3 with no game.....end. OR i could spend $550 on a Wii+game and have enough left over for a long board (i already have a wet suit)).

So from the way i see it...it isnt JUST price, or JUST the libary or JUST the "newness", it's all of those factors that will affect demand..... and when you look at all the aspects....the Wii only fails in specs and extra bells and whistles. Specs and bells and whistles couldnt hold the PSP up, right ? seems lke the heavily weighted factors are..... price and library. Wii seem to have those in it's favour.

But it will be interesting to see how it goes...i dont know how it will go for sure.

Even if the Wii doesnt sell as much as the PS3...i wouldnt be too fussed. There are some great games coming out for it in the launch window, enough to last me through the lifetime of the product lol...it honestly takes me 6-12 months to get through a game (still havent finished OOT..been at it for a good 8-9 months, been playing MP2 for 5 months now).

So anyway...this is a good discussion...apart from one or two abnoxious people, i like these discussions.

Cheers

PS>> and yeah...at the very least, ill get the Wii to replace my Cube...i have so many NES/SNES/N64 games i want to play as well....the Cube was my first console since my Genesis, so i sorta missed out on a lot . the virtual console game at the top of my list is "conker's bad fur day"

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Wii vs PS3 roughly same month release. library.... "over 100" titles in development according to that bald Sony dude...over 150 on the Wii as compiled by several websites.

And yes your also right, someone who owns an XBox/PS2 doesnt ONLY play videogames. I was referring to the vast segment of the population who dont play videogames at all.... higher price points will not win them over. if your primary passtime is surfing/pubhopping/gym....chances are you'll be more willing todrop $250 rather than $500 on gaming.

Well you can't pull this Wii has more games than the PS3 cuz you were always adamant about "quality over quantity" remember.

So far none of the launch titles for either system blow my skirt up. OTHER than zelda for the Wii but I find it beyond baffling and rude that Nintendo is selling 2 SKU's of Zelda. The Cube will be non-widescreen while the Wii one is. That is the only difference (other than the controller). I mean I can't think of a reason why they would do this. It is also disappointing that it will have gamecube graphics on the Wii when the Wii can do much better.

If you are saying the Wii is for non-gamers I am not so sure they are going to have an easy time getting non-gamers to buy a gaming system. I mean that is sorta like selling ice to Inuits.
Sure it will mean your girlfriend might be more willing to play with you or even your mom but that doesn't mean they will want to go and BUY one.

Also don't get your panties in a twist wanting to play Conkers. It was my #1 fav in the N64 days but when I got the Xbox port it looked nice but the gameplay felt so damn dated and frankly boring. There are much better current gen games.

I still have my NES, SNES and N64 so the retro games aren't a big draw for me as the once in a blue moon I want to play them there are either ports for gameboy or I can just hook up the system quickly.

The PSP argument doesn't really help you either with what you said. The PSP has sold 20 mil, the DS 21 mil. The DS also came out first and in time for Christmas AND has resold the same unit to many fans twice in either a different colour or the new lite.

Yes the PSP is in a game drought which sucks. Yes the DS has better games right now. That just makes the sales even more interesting and scary for Nintendo. If there are 20 million PSP's sold and everyone doesn't want to watch UMD's on it and admit there aren't that many games then why are people buying it?

Turns out people REALLY want its other features. They want the MP3 playback, the photo viewing, the web browser, the RSS streams, the play anywhere feature, the ability to convert your own movies/clips to it.

Sony was adamant from the beginning that it wasn't JUST a gaming system but a multimedia system. They were 100% right.

Now look at the PS3. They swear it isn't just a gaming system but a multimedia system. I am buying a PS3 day one... not for any game, but for the blu-ray. I am not the only one.

[Hawkeye_a]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Well you can't pull this Wii has more games than the PS3 cuz you were always adamant about "quality over quantity" remember.

So far none of the launch titles for either system blow my skirt up. OTHER than zelda for the Wii but I find it beyond baffling and rude that Nintendo is selling 2 SKU's of Zelda. The Cube will be non-widescreen while the Wii one is. That is the only difference (other than the controller). I mean I can't think of a reason why they would do this. It is also disappointing that it will have gamecube graphics on the Wii when the Wii can do much better.

If you are saying the Wii is for non-gamers I am not so sure they are going to have an easy time getting non-gamers to buy a gaming system. I mean that is sorta like selling ice to Inuits.
Sure it will mean your girlfriend might be more welcome to play with you or even your mom but that doesn't mean they will want to go and BUY one.

Also don't get your panties in a twist wanting to play Conkers. It was my #1 fav in the N64 days but when I got the Xbox port it looked nice but the gameplay felt so damn dated and frankly boring. There are much better current gen games.

I still have my NES, SNES and N64 so the retro games aren't a big draw for me as the once in a blue moon I want to play them there are either ports for gameboy or I can just hook up the system quickly.

Well, my personal choice is always quality over quantity. And even if the Wii had fewer games in development, just the quality of games Nintendo themselves put out would have me going back. but im not every gamer and/or non-games.

And yeah...like i've never played any SNES or N64(sans Bond)... I forgot that Rare was gobbeled up by MS... damn . it'll be a cool gaming bonus for me to be able to get to play those old games. I was about to buy that Sonic collection for the GCN...but thought id just wait and get the couple i want off the VC. good memories playing my Genesis .

Another thing ive noticed here in Oz.... The GameCube was like nowhere...no advertizing,nothing.... not much shelf space either...a missed opportunity on Nintendo's part. The DS was a marketing blitz, there's posters everywhere....EB, Target, Kmart, etc...and ive been hearing that the major retailers have been putting up posters, etc and taking pre orders for the Wii for a couple of weeks. So it seems like Nintendo's marketing is actually doing something right for a change.....

Cheers

PS>>from what i read, sony has only "shipped" 20 million units, as opposed to Nintendo selling 21 million.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

PS>>from what i read, sony has only "shipped" 20 million units, as opposed to Nintendo selling 21 million.

Well either way it is damn high sales considering there are very few good games.

[MindFad]

http://ineedamario.ytmnd.com/

[sek929]

I have decided to buy a 360 and a Wii, I think you will see alot of *insert system here* + Wii purchases.

Mainly for me since I could d/l Super Metroid and play it on the Wii, oh yeah and Genesis games to. Kickass.

[Rumor]

Here is a good commercial. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...27876550257027

I might pick one up, not sure yet.

Edit: I'm looking for the one where the kid tells his mom that he is playing with his Wii, if anyone can find it, that would be great.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Rumor

Here is a good commercial. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...27876550257027

I might pick one up, not sure yet.

Edit: I'm looking for the one where the kid tells his mom that he is playing with his Wii, if anyone can find it, that would be great.

Keep in mind that ad is mostly bull as those people shown having a blast playing were actually doing nothing.

Until someone gets a final unit in their hands and reports back on how well the controls work I'm not getting excited.

Apparently MS was looking into motion control but with user testing people complained of fatigue after only short use.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Keep in mind that ad is mostly bull as those people shown having a blast playing were actually doing nothing.

Until someone gets a final unit in their hands and reports back on how well the controls work I'm not getting excited.

Apparently MS was looking into motion control but with user testing people complained of fatigue after only short use.

Yeah...probably a bad idea to make a gamer move more than his thumbs. Although if the original XBox controller is any indication of the size of the motion detecting equipment they might have used, I'm not surprised.

[Landos Mustache]

Seems the controlls might still be an issue:

" The system needs a little time to recognize your move ( This I'm worried about... ) but at the end this is your move that is performed on screen. Besides, today on the current version, we have some movement being mapped and some not. Some will stay mapped at the end so that with an accessible move you can unleeash and impressive action you would never be able to perform in real life."

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/17/re...om-down-under/