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Eug · Aug 25, 2006, 08:52 AM

She was abducted at age 10. She's now 18.

DNA tests prove identity of Austrian kidnap victim

Photos released by police of the hiding place in his house where the young woman said she was kept showed a small, cluttered room with narrow concrete stairs leading down to it from an entrance so small it would have to be crawled through. Another photo showed a metal hatch that sealed the windowless, underground room.

Police on Thursday said there was a bed and a toilet in the cramped space. Images on TV showed a small television in the room, which also had a sink and was littered with piles of books. Police said the woman was occasionally allowed to watch videos.

Eug · Aug 25, 2006, 09:14 AM

8 years ago:

This is where she spent the last 8 years:

It was the cellar of this house:

Landos Mustache · Aug 25, 2006, 09:17 AM

I don't know how anyone can come out of something like that with a good mental condition. I would snap after a week.

mitchell_pgh · Aug 25, 2006, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I don't know how anyone can come out of something like that with a good mental condition. I would snap after a week.

It's amazing what humans can endure. Some people could probably come out of that and get their life on track, others have no trauma in their lives and are train wrecks.

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if she has serious emotional problems for the rest of her life.

davesimondotcom · Aug 25, 2006, 09:27 AM

I'm amazed by stories like this. I hope that she can recover and lead a productive life, but I can see what SWG means about how one could snap.

Dino-Rider · Aug 25, 2006, 09:27 AM

Holy ****ing ****. Who kept her in there?

Dino-Rider · Aug 25, 2006, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

I don't know how anyone can come out of something like that with a good mental condition. I would snap after a week.

Humans are tough critters. We are all the ultimate survivors. There was a period of tough weather conditions and disease where the entire human race dwindled to about 3,000 people. We all come from them. We are all survivors.... some people just forget this, and give up and die.

That said, I'm sure she'll be seeing a shrink the rest of her life. Hopefully she can just forget about it, move on, and start her life out again and leave that crap behind her.

invisibleX · Aug 25, 2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dino-Rider

Holy ****ing ****. Who kept her in there?

He jumped in front of a commuter train. Fitting end for the bastard.

turtle777 · Aug 25, 2006, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Dino-Rider

Hopefully she can just forget about it, move on, and start her life out again and leave that crap behind her.

If it was only that easy.

PTSD is a bitch.

-t

Landos Mustache · Aug 25, 2006, 12:13 PM

So what did he do with her when she was there?

davesimondotcom · Aug 25, 2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

So what did he do with her when she was there?

I don't think we want to know.

Rumor · Aug 25, 2006, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by invisibleX

He jumped in front of a commuter train. Fitting end for the bastard.

I would have rather seen him go to prison and be either A) brutally killed or B) Bubba's new girlfriend.

to that girl. Eight days being a prisoner is a long time, let alone eight years. I wonder what she looks like now? I also wonder what happened to her during that time. She escaped while washing his car, I wonder if he used her as a house slave..

Landos Mustache · Aug 25, 2006, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

I don't think we want to know.

Well the obvious guess is sexual but some weirdo's do for other reasons.

davesimondotcom · Aug 25, 2006, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Well the obvious guess is sexual but some weirdo's do for other reasons.

Either way, it's still probably not all that healthy and well adjusted behavior that he engaged her in.

KeriVit · Aug 25, 2006, 12:28 PM

what does she look like now?

Rumor · Aug 25, 2006, 12:31 PM

They are doing a pretty good job of hiding her face right now. This has a pic of the weirdo that abducted her.

amazing · Aug 25, 2006, 01:01 PM

I'm glad that Europe has much better privacy laws than the US. It'd be very important that her undoubtedly fragile state of mind be protected from paparazzi and other invasive prurient curiosity. She's going from solitary confinement and psychological torture to intense media spotlight--gotta be supremely hard on her, now and for years to come. It's great that the authorities are keeping her interests foremost in their media releases, as opposed to the tasteless grandstanding by officials and voyeuristic media feeding frenzy in the US like, for example, in the Ramsey case (then and now.)

If details emerge about her, it's best that they emerge in some context in print without photos, like for example, when her mother reveals that she weighs less now, 93 pounds, than when you was kidnapped 8 years ago, in spite of having grown 15 cm.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060825/...ustria_girl_dc

waxcrash · Aug 25, 2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

If it was only that easy.

PTSD is a bitch.

-t

I read somewhere that she suffers from Stockholm syndrome.

TETENAL · Aug 25, 2006, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by KeriVit

what does she look like now?

Older.

It's not our business to know what she looks like now. The last thing she needs is being haunted by the public.

brassplayersrock² · Aug 25, 2006, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by waxcrash

I read somewhere that she suffers from Stockholm syndrome.

that would make sense actually. 10 years with your abductor, and perhaps he was kind to her the entire time and no sex (unlikely but perhaps) and during the ages of 8 and 18 those are very hormone high times, and since he could of been the only male figure in her life, falling in love with her captor is a very high possibility.

Alex

Landos Mustache · Aug 25, 2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by waxcrash

I read somewhere that she suffers from Stockholm syndrome.

Ya it is in the story linked to right before your post.

turtle777 · Aug 25, 2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

B) Bubba's new girlfriend.

In Austria ? Please...

-t

brassplayersrock² · Aug 25, 2006, 01:26 PM

they had him after he took her but didnae do anything!

"
Nikolaus Koch, a lead investigator, said on Austrian television that police had contact with Priklopil about three months after Natascha disappeared in 1998 but he had a "sturdy alibi". "

FOCKERS! okay this has pissed me off, i'm going swimming

Doofy · Aug 25, 2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

It's not our business to know what she looks like now. The last thing she needs is being haunted by the public.

Concur. We need to leave her be and let her recover.

porieux · 04:31 AM

...

Rumor · Aug 25, 2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

In Austria ? Please...

-t

I meant Bubba as a generalization for the big, mean, nasty guy that's looking for a girlfriend.

starman · Aug 25, 2006, 02:33 PM

Hey, look! It didn't happen in America!

memento · Aug 25, 2006, 02:51 PM

This article mentions briefly a subject that we all assumed anyway.

Teenager tells of her eight years as dungeon sex slave | the Daily Mail

This captor did not deserve to end his life so quickly. He should have had the time to feel first hand what it's like to be on the other end.

Dakar · Aug 25, 2006, 02:53 PM

Ugh, sex slave starting at 10. I lack the proper adjective to describe it.

Rumor · Aug 25, 2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Ugh, sex slave starting at 10. I lack the proper adjective to describe it.

Nauseous?

euchomai · Aug 25, 2006, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by amazing

I'm glad that Europe has much better privacy laws than the US. It'd be very important that her undoubtedly fragile state of mind be protected from paparazzi and other invasive prurient curiosity. She's going from solitary confinement and psychological torture to intense media spotlight--gotta be supremely hard on her, now and for years to come. It's great that the authorities are keeping her interests foremost in their media releases, as opposed to the tasteless grandstanding by officials and voyeuristic media feeding frenzy in the US like, for example, in the Ramsey case (then and now.)

If details emerge about her, it's best that they emerge in some context in print without photos, like for example, when her mother reveals that she weighs less now, 93 pounds, than when you was kidnapped 8 years ago, in spite of having grown 15 cm.

Austria police seek accomplices of child captor - Yahoo! News

Are you serious? When I think of europe I think of all your tabloid papers where the paparazzi have run people off the road. Where naked "star" pics are the norm. Jeez...

turtle777 · Aug 25, 2006, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by amazing

I'm glad that Europe has much better privacy laws than the US....

Originally Posted by euchomai

Are you serious? When I think of europe I think of all your tabloid papers where the paparazzi have run people off the road. Where naked "star" pics are the norm. Jeez...

Ok, It might be obvious to some, but Europe is NOT one single country. Nough said.

-t

TETENAL · Aug 25, 2006, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by euchomai

Are you serious? When I think of europe I think of all your tabloid papers where the paparazzi have run people off the road. Where naked "star" pics are the norm. Jeez...

BBC NEWS | Europe | Princess wins tabloid privacy war

Salty · Aug 26, 2006, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by memento

This article mentions briefly a subject that we all assumed anyway.

Teenager tells of her eight years as dungeon sex slave | the Daily Mail

This captor did not deserve to end his life so quickly. He should have had the time to feel first hand what it's like to be on the other end.

My guess is he's in hell. I can honestly say... most of the people I know are going to hell, it makes me sad... but... this... I mean... I know hell's terrible and all... but... I get a strange comfort from knowing he's there.

analogika · Aug 26, 2006, 05:25 AM

That's not a nice thought at all.

He gets to hang out with Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, and Ray Charles!

turtle777 · Aug 26, 2006, 08:49 AM

Heck, hell for him might be having to be with Christians or gays. We don't know what kind of hell he gets, but I'm sure it will sucks for him

-t

Salty · Aug 26, 2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Heck, hell for him might be having to be with Christians or gays. We don't know what kind of hell he gets, but I'm sure it will sucks for him

-t

My guess would be lots of fire and eternal separation from God and hope. Far worse than any punishment men could imagine... I'm pretty sure the fire is just for show though... imagine an entire eternity with no hope of anything better than complete and total despair?

brassplayersrock² · Aug 26, 2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

That's not a nice thought at all.

He gets to hang out with Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, and Ray Charles!

trust me, CP. MD, and Ray Charles are not in hell. unless you think that their music is devil music. if that's the case then you need some serious "hellp"

Alex

Peter · Aug 26, 2006, 05:53 PM

now THATS ****ed up.

davesimondotcom · Aug 26, 2006, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

My guess would be lots of fire and eternal separation from God and hope. Far worse than any punishment men could imagine... I'm pretty sure the fire is just for show though... imagine an entire eternity with no hope of anything better than complete and total despair?

My personal belief (not that this is the philosphy thread or anything) - since I don't believe in an afterlife, etc. - is that how you are remembered is what is important.

If you were a good person on earth, people remember you as such, tell stories about you to their kids, etc. and you live on as a "good" person through them. Heaven.

If you are an asshat like this guy, people remember you as such, tell stories about you to their kids, and forever you are known as an evil son-of-a-bitch. Hell.

Hash · Aug 26, 2006, 09:35 PM

There was a similar case in Belgium, even more horrifying, because it was whole organization, an industry. I do not remember details but one can find. There were more victims and many of them died. Medieval Europe had a tradition of such dungeons, sex prisons and so on.

brassplayersrock² · 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

If you are an asshat like this guy, people remember you as such, tell stories about you to their kids, and forever you are known as an evil son-of-a-bitch. Hell.

"Nightmare on Elm Street" comes to mind when reading that last bit. Where are you if NO ONE talks about you or wants to remember you? are you just in limbo?

Alex

CharlesS · Aug 26, 2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

My personal belief (not that this is the philosphy thread or anything) - since I don't believe in an afterlife, etc. - is that how you are remembered is what is important.

If you were a good person on earth, people remember you as such, tell stories about you to their kids, etc. and you live on as a "good" person through them. Heaven.

If you are an asshat like this guy, people remember you as such, tell stories about you to their kids, and forever you are known as an evil son-of-a-bitch. Hell.

Hmm, that would mean Macbeth, Richard III of England, Vlad III Dracula of Wallachia, and Antonio Salieri really got screwed then.

Sucks to be them, I guess.

analogika · Aug 27, 2006, 04:55 AM

Originally Posted by brassplayersrock

trust me, CP. MD, and Ray Charles are not in hell. unless you think that their music is devil music. if that's the case then you need some serious "hellp"

Alex

Adulterers and drug users?

analogika · Aug 27, 2006, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Hash

There was a similar case in Belgium, even more horrifying, because it was whole organization, an industry. I do not remember details but one can find. There were more victims and many of them died. Medieval Europe had a tradition of such dungeons, sex prisons and so on.

Marc Dutroux was the ringleader in the case you're thinking of.

That was what could almost be called a child porn "industry". Dozens of victims, infant to teen, most of them died, IIRC.

The henchmen and backgrounds still haven't been entirely smoked out, and probably never will.

analogika · Aug 27, 2006, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Hmm, that would mean Macbeth, Richard III of England, Vlad III Dracula of Wallachia, and Antonio Salieri really got screwed then.

Sucks to be them, I guess.

Miles was a real asshole, too, from what I gather.

Brilliant, but an asshole.

Hash · Aug 27, 2006, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by analogika

Marc Dutroux was the ringleader in the case you're thinking of.

That was what could almost be called a child porn "industry". Dozens of victims, infant to teen, most of them died, IIRC.

The henchmen and backgrounds still haven't been entirely smoked out, and probably never will.

Yeah, exactly. Thank you for the names and the details. Horrifying case, indeed..

Mithras · Aug 28, 2006, 03:56 AM

Somehow to me what I find tragic, apart from the obvious trauma, is that she was denied an education. it will be a long time before she can understand what, other than suffering, life can offer.

analogika · Aug 28, 2006, 06:01 AM

Actually, her kidnapper "home"-schooled her.

She's apparently quite learned and pretty well-read.

TETENAL · Sep 8, 2006, 08:45 AM

Since she decided to give a television interview we now know how she looks like today.

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