[goMac]

Thought some of you would be interested. It will load slow because of Digg, but it was taken from a home 5 blocks from the towers. It's a half hour long. I've only gotten through the first 1/8th of it, but it's amazing footage.

Revver - September 11, 2001: What We Saw

Please keep any conspiracy theories, politician bashing, or Iraq arguing in the Political Lounge. This thread is just for seeing the tragedy from a different camera angle.

Edit: The footage is somewhat edited, hard to tell if that's because they put the camera down, doesn't change the impact though.

Edit2:

Mirror is up:
Apple .Mac

Edit 3:

Second mirror up:
http://whitemagiclabs.com/stuff/video.mov

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

This belongs in p/w forum.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

This belongs in p/w forum.

Well, I put a warning on not to turn this into a flamefest. I really don't think this video has much to do with politics or war. I thought some people would be interested in seeing it.

Mods can move it as they see fit of course.

[jckalen]

I made it about a 3rd of the ay through and it seems to have stopped. I also can't seem to download it. It IS chilling, just from seeing it from a new angle.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by jckalen

I made it about a 3rd of the ay through and it seems to have stopped. I also can't seem to download it. It IS chilling, just from seeing it from a new angle.

I'm setting up a mirror of it on .Mac.

[SSharon]

thanks for the link.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

This belongs in p/w forum.

Dude, 11 year olds have no voting rights here !

-t

[IceEnclosure]

Crazy video.

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Dude, 11 year olds have no voting rights here !

-t

Shut up.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

Shut up.

Snappy comback

V

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

Shut up.

Bedtime.

-t

[jckalen]

well I guess it isn't political bashing... but so much for this thread staying respectful.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by jckalen

well I guess it isn't political bashing... but so much for this thread staying respectful.

The idea of watching half an hour long, *yet* another, uneditied to boot video of the twin towers and planes crashing into them is so not interesting.

Yeah, it was a tragedy, no it wasn't all that. Like all things this should really only affect those who lived in New York at the time or those who lost relatives and loved ones in the terrorist attack.

For the rest of us (about 7 billion people), we have other things to worry about.

So unless one is morbidly obsessed over seeing lots of people die or a historian working on a project, this is.. not all that, shall we say.

V

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Bedtime.

-t

Good night!

[euchomai]

Originally Posted by voodoo

The idea of watching half an hour long, *yet* another, uneditied to boot video of the twin towers and planes crashing into them is so not interesting.

Yeah, it was a tragedy, no it wasn't all that. Like all things this should really only affect those who lived in New York at the time or those who lost relatives and loved ones in the terrorist attack.

For the rest of us (about 7 billion people), we have other things to worry about.

So unless one is morbidly obsessed over seeing lots of people die or a historian working on a project, this is.. not all that, shall we say.

V

That is too narrow minded for me. This event changed our lives and is prompting what could very well be looked at 100 years from now as the trigger to WWIII.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by voodoo

The idea of watching half an hour long, *yet* another, uneditied to boot video of the twin towers and planes crashing into them is so not interesting.

The fact that it is not cut to MTV standards and set to a ****ing Enya soundtrack is worth watching and saving the whole thing for, in and of itself.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by euchomai

That is too narrow minded for me. This event changed our lives and is prompting what could very well be looked at 100 years from now as the trigger to WWIII.

No. This even did not change my life. In fact it had no noticable effect, five years later. No narrow mindedness, just can't think of one thing. I fly more often than I did before.. but I don't think that's directly related to this event. Coincidence.

There will be no WWIII. The only way that could happen would be if the US would attack Europe. I don't see that happening anytime in the foreseeable future.

No. 9/11 changed nothing.

V

[euchomai]

Originally Posted by voodoo

No. This even did not change my life. In fact it had no noticable effect, five years later. No narrow mindedness, just can't think of one thing. I fly more often than I did before.. but I don't think that's directly related to this event. Coincidence.

There will be no WWIII. The only way that could happen would be if the US would attack Europe. I don't see that happening anytime in the foreseeable future.

No. 9/11 changed nothing.

V

Now you're just trying to stir stuff up.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by voodoo

No. This even did not change my life. In fact it had no noticable effect, five years later. No narrow mindedness, just can't think of one thing. I fly more often than I did before.. but I don't think that's directly related to this event. Coincidence.

There will be no WWIII. The only way that could happen would be if the US would attack Europe. I don't see that happening anytime in the foreseeable future.

No. 9/11 changed nothing.

V

: ahem :

Originally Posted by goMac

Please keep any conspiracy theories, politician bashing, or Iraq arguing in the Political Lounge. This thread is just for seeing the tragedy from a different camera angle.

I know it was a longshot, but c'mon now.

[goMac]

Mirror is up:

http://homepage.mac.com/goMac/video.mov

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by analogika

The fact that it is not cut to MTV standards and set to a ****ing Enya soundtrack is worth watching and saving the whole thing for, in and of itself.

Did you just try do dis Enya?

You know skip the 'unedited' bit. skip the 'half an hour long' bit. The important thing is really 'yet another video'.

How many times was the 9/11 footage replayed on the various TV stations across the world? I don't know but it was a lot of times. I know I was bored senseless after a couple of times. I know that when you've seen those planes crash once you've seen it a thousand times.

I simply don't care. So this was a photographed event. It doesn't make it any more special than so many other things. Of all the terrorism that has been made in the world, I think that the Oklahoma city bombing was the most horrible. After that M11 and way way waaaay after that and about twenty other acts of terrorism one begins to see this over-hyped nonsense on the horizon.

Because Americans were force-fed this through their TVs doesn't make it all that great. I'm sick of this crying around and whining. There is no more danger today in air-travel than the five years preceding 9/11. That event changed nothing.

Iraq would have been invaded no matter what and Afghanistan would still be controlled by the Taliban - and will be within long again, by the looks of things. Nothing has changed because of 9/11.

For me at least. But then again, I'm not hyper-paranoid American who really actually believes that *he*/*she* might be the unsuspecting target of another terrorist attack. Even if the odds of such a thing are, were before 9/11 and will always be less than winning the lottery.

Chill, let the dead rest and forget this crap until 2011 or something. This is distasteful, even to the people who died that day. You didn't die then, they did. **** happens, but most likely - and I mean *most* likely, you'll die peacefully in your bed at 80+.

9/11 or no 9/11. It changes *nothing*.

V

[analogika]

I agree with your political sentiment, but that is NOT this thread.

It was 9/11's anniversary yesterday (still is, depending where you are), and it might be appropriate to just shut the **** up for one day - one thread, even - and let people watch this or not, as they see fit.

I, for one, appreciated it.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by analogika

It was 9/11's anniversary yesterday (still is, depending where you are), and it might be appropriate to just shut the **** up for one day - one thread, even - and let people watch this or not, as they see fit.

Be that as it may, but I kinda took this as an invitation:

Originally Posted by euchomai

This event changed our lives and is prompting what could very well be looked at 100 years from now as the trigger to WWIII.

WWIII? Reeeeaally?

Anyway, it is way past midnight here, it is 4:55 AM 12th september 2006 and that *day* is over. I kept silent until 5 hours past midnight. That's pretty nice of me.

I probably would have kept my mouth shut way longer, hadn't someone spurted the usual pavlovian answer to hearing the phrase '9/11'. :sigh:

Enough. Enjoy the video if this is your cup of tea.

V

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by voodoo

There will be no WWIII. The only way that could happen would be if the US would attack Europe.

This is an incredibly naive statement. I am, honestly, at a loss how an intelligent being like yourself can say this with a straight face. The war that's being fought at the moment isn't confined to the battlefield. It's being fought for hearts and minds.

[turtle777]

IBL

-t

[zerostar]

All opinions aside, here are 2 pics of the quality and location of this video:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dfry/bitbucket/long.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dfry/bitbucket/zoom.jpg

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by Mastrap

This is an incredibly naive statement. I am, honestly, at a loss how an intelligent being like yourself can say this with a straight face. The war that's being fought at the moment isn't confined to the battlefield. It's being fought for hearts and minds.

Because a World War is more than a handful of 3rd world countries can muster. The conflict you speak of may not be confined to one battlefield, but it is confined to one religion.

It so happens that no country, district or clan has the industry available to wage a World War.

The US and Europe will never fight, Japan is out of the question and China hates any religion. The Middle-East stands alone and far from united as the third world. Some countries are amazingly rich, but everything they buy comes from us. The emirs like that deal. The dictators like that deal.

A few annoying dissident islamicists are not starting WWIII. They'd like to, but they can't any more than you can my dear Mastrap.

V

[Buckaroo]

Gads, the only thing IE is good for. it was the only way I could download it. Why don't they just let you save it to your desktop.

[spacefreak]

Sure would have been nice if they left in the 2nd plane hitting and the first collapse.

I guess the lady's "it was a military jet" statement couldn't have been used as conspiracy fuel then.

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Sure would have been nice if they left in the 2nd plane hitting and the first collapse.

I guess the lady's "it was a military jet" statement couldn't have been used as conspiracy fuel then.

OK.. now balance that with the other whacked out end of the spectrum: namely believing and acting out on the governments recommendation that you use plastic wraps to seal your windows because of an imminent chemical/biological terrorist attack.

The truth you will find somewhere in the middle.

V

[goMac]

My .Mac data transfer just went over, moving to a different server.

[QuadG5Man]

bandwidth regulations are restricting the .mac mirror site for the video.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by QuadG5Man

bandwidth regulations are restricting the .mac mirror site for the video.

Right, I'm moving it to a server that gives me 50 gigs monthly of bandwidth currently. I'm on cable though so my upload is slow.

I'm also going to transcode it to H.264 to try to compress it down.

[amsalpemkcus]

Chilling and then her crying got to me. Damn!

[keekeeree]

Thank you goMac for posting this and for the mirror. I have avoided all the 9/11 hoopla today (it was even part of the Monday Night Football's half-time show...ugh). I don't need a bunch of talking heads putting on their best mournful faces for me to remember and respect a very dark day.

...no talking heads, no President, no soundtrack, no dramatic cliffhanger pauses for commercial breaks...

Thank you.

[MOTHERWELL]

I thought it was interesting to see a "real time" video. Over the past five years I have seen the edited events so many times that I've forgotten how long the whole thing actually occured.

For instance, the second tower stood for quite a while before it collapsed. And seeing the smoke crawl through the air towards the camera is quite a creepy thing.

[kick52]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

Gads, the only thing IE is good for. it was the only way I could download it. Why don't they just let you save it to your desktop.

http://media.revver.com/broadcast/59686/video.mov

now, you can.

-Anyway-

I don't think it affected people here in the UK greatly, though security at airports was hyped up a bit.

[goMac]

Second mirror up:
http://whitemagiclabs.com/stuff/video.mov

It's a little quicker than the main site.

Be aware if my bandwidth use gets close to my limit I'm taking it down and moving it again. I've got a podcast hosted on this site that I can't let go down.

[UNTeMac]

Chilling video. Why did they seem to edit the beginning of each major escalation in the event? The edit always begins after the second crash, then after the first collapse. The second collapse is slightly edited as well.

That moment of realization when the woman starts crying is heart-wrenching.

May those lost rest in peace.

[QuadG5Man]

I thought it was them turning the camera on and off...

Originally Posted by UNTeMac

Chilling video. Why did they seem to edit the beginning of each major escalation in the event? The edit always begins after the second crash, then after the first collapse. The second collapse is slightly edited as well.

That moment of realization when the woman starts crying is heart-wrenching.

May those lost rest in peace.

[kick52]

Originally Posted by QuadG5Man

I thought it was them turning the camera on and off...

maybe they stopped recording and then they saw the second plane and they turned it on to late.

[IceEnclosure]

seems clear they were just trying to get the camera turned on again after taking a break or something.

the other 'fade' transitions were probably just to cut out some probably not so important footage.

[Peter]

Exciting stuff....


...

[- - e r i k - -]

Voodoo, you continue to amaze me. Your idea that 9/11 changed nothing is so-far out from any kind of field that I don't know which side you are on. It's a truly nutcase point of view. No one, either from left, right, up or down would ever argue that 9/11 changed nothing.

Far out man.

[- - e r i k - -]

Oh ****, am I over 6000 posts already? What a remarkable non-event.



(Now there's something you could argue changed nothing Voodoo)

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Voodoo, you continue to amaze me. Your idea that 9/11 changed nothing is so-far out from any kind of field that I don't know which side you are on. It's a truly nutcase point of view. No one, either from left, right, up or down would ever argue that 9/11 changed nothing.

Far out man.

What? What's so amazing about what I said? It isn't politically correct, at least not in some circles, but it is the truth.

9/11 changed nothing. At least nothing of consequence. Made many Americans very scared and airports are now a pain in the ass to go through. Not that security is any better, its not. Just more annoying.

That's perhaps the government's way of telling us that: A) we think you're dumber than bread and B) we honestly don't give one hoot about added security.

What side do you think I'm on? The side of the terrorsts? The neo-cons? Surely not. Both those teams celebrate 9/11 as the most important thing evah™. In reality, it was just another terrorist attack in the world. Just another tuesday.

That it was televised makes no difference to me. There is nothing more or less horrible about 9/11 than any old atrocity. The world is not new to atrocities, so I think it is disingenous of peope to claim 9/11 changed anything, when it didn't.

What did it change Erik? Do you think Bush would have left Saddam in power if there had been no 9/11? No of course not. The only thing that changed was the lives of those who lost loved ones in that terrorist attack.

For everyone else, business as usual. Nothing changed. Name one thing. Government paranoia doesn't count. That thing has always been there.

V

[voodoo]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Oh ****, am I over 6000 posts already? What a remarkable non-event.



(Now there's something you could argue changed nothing Voodoo)

It changed about as much for the world as 9/11. A couple of buildings and a few planes along with a few thousand people.

We lose more than that every three months in the world, not counting natural causes. 9/11 changed nothing, except to those who were directly involved.

To all the other people in the world, it basically had the same effect as when you passed 6000 posts at MacNN.

V

[Y3a]

Originally Posted by voodoo

The idea of watching half an hour long, *yet* another, uneditied to boot video of the twin towers and planes crashing into them is so not interesting.

Yeah, it was a tragedy, no it wasn't all that. Like all things this should really only affect those who lived in New York at the time or those who lost relatives and loved ones in the terrorist attack.

For the rest of us (about 7 billion people), we have other things to worry about.

So unless one is morbidly obsessed over seeing lots of people die or a historian working on a project, this is.. not all that, shall we say.

V

Some folks just can't comprehend... So, go on....Worry about your facial hair or whatever.

[jckalen]

voodoo,

with all due respect, 9/11 affected millions of people worldwide on an almost daily basis. Maybe you don't go on many flights but I'm sure that air travel has been affected, even for Spain. And countries who have taken an attitude similar to yours, thinking it's no big deal and not much needs to be changed will likely be the ones more likely to suffer train bombings or other attacks. Maybe not as dramatic as watching towers collapse, but still killing your fellow countrymen.

It saddens me to think that someone as thoughtless as yourself would even THINK half of your callous remarks, let alone be pathetic enough to post them.

If it didn't affect you, go post somewhere else. Otherwise, show a little courtesy and respect for those of us who's lives DID change. Your opinion is not needed here.

[His Dudeness]

Originally Posted by voodoo

No. This even did not change my life. In fact it had no noticable effect, five years later. No narrow mindedness, just can't think of one thing. I fly more often than I did before.. but I don't think that's directly related to this event. Coincidence.

There will be no WWIII. The only way that could happen would be if the US would attack Europe. I don't see that happening anytime in the foreseeable future.

No. 9/11 changed nothing.

V

That's pretty heartless. I'm sure the husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters of people who were killed in Tower 1, Tower 2, the Pentagon, and in Pennsylvania will argue that with you.