[laieboy]

I have a Motorola Rzr phone and I would like to upload some songs to it so I could use as ring tones. I also have a bluetooth enabled iBook. Anyone have any idea how could do this? Downloading ringtones from T-mobile is a ripoff! Thanks.

[Dakar²]

I had it backwards

[laieboy]

Can I just upload them as a MP3 file? Any other settings?

[laieboy]

I was able to upload some songs into the Rzr but it won't play back mp3 files. What file should I use and how do I convert them? Thanks again!

[Gossamer]

you'll probably get more answers here:
HowardForums: Your Mobile Phone Community & Resource

[CharlesS]

Here's how I do it:

1. Insert the CD containing the audio track I want to make into a ringtone

2. Use the freeware Audacity to get just the 15-30 second snippet that I want to use

3. In Audacity, select the whole thing and use the Equalizer, Compressor, and/or Normalize functions to get the ringtone loud enough to hear in a noisy situation.

4. Still in Audacity, use the High Pass Filter to remove all frequencies below 100 Hz, to avoid damaging the phone's speaker

5. Finally, export the sound file to a WAV in Audacity.

6. Open iTunes, and use it to convert the WAV to an MP3. To save space, I make it a 64 Kbps, 22.050 KHz, mono MP3 (the speaker isn't that great, so you won't notice the lower quality settings, and since there's only one speaker there's no point in a stereo file. Turning the quality down in this way will reduce the file size, allowing you to fit more ringtones on your phone). Now drag the MP3 from iTunes to your Desktop.

7. Make sure the Bluetooth feature on your RAZR is turned on.

8. From the Bluetooth menu extra in the menu bar, choose "Send File..." and select the MP3 file.

9. If you've transferred files to your RAZR before, it'll show up in the list of devices you see. If not, go to the Bluetooth menu on the RAZR and choose Setup -> Find Me. This will make the RAZR discoverable for 60 seconds, during which you can click the "Search" button on the Mac and it'll find your RAZR. Select the RAZR, and click "Send".

10. Your RAZR will alert you that something is sending it a file. Tell the RAZR to accept the file.

11. You're done! Now remember, in your own writing, never shift from first to second person like I just did.

[Art Vandelay]

Originally Posted by laieboy 

I was able to upload some songs into the Rzr but it won't play back mp3 files. What file should I use and how do I convert them? Thanks again!

I had no problems uploading MP3s to my RAZR.

[RAILhead]

The user manual doesn't cover this?

[macfantn]

you can use itunes, just click on an mp3 in your library set the start and stop time click convert to mp3 bluetooth to razr provided OBEX isn't locked down by verizon and voila

[phantomdragonz]

Originally Posted by macfantn 

you can use itunes, just click on an mp3 in your library set the start and stop time click convert to mp3 bluetooth to razr provided OBEX isn't locked down by verizon and voila

This is what i did with my Cingular Razr... make your own ringtones... awesome...

Zach

[starman]

I love my SE w810. None of this bullsh*t

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by starman 

I love my SE w810. None of this bullsh*t

None of what bullshit? You mean you can't transfer MP3s to it to use as ringtones?

How lame.

[- - e r i k - -]

Not only MP3s, but AAC too. SE is about the only mobile phone brand to bother with until the iPhone comes.


And frankly I'm worried that's going to suck too.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

11. You're done! Now remember, in your own writing, never shift from first to second person like I just did.

Most awesome instructions ever.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

Not only MP3s, but AAC too. SE is about the only mobile phone brand to bother with until the iPhone comes.

Except that the reception is so bad that they wouldn't work in my old apartment without going up to a window, but yeah. So what's the "bullshit" in my instructions? The only steps that involved the phone at all were 1. turning Bluetooth on, 2. making it discoverable, and 3. accepting the file. Do the SEs have some magical telepathic way to get the files to the phone that transfers them before you even know you want to, or what?

[starman]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

None of what bullshit? You mean you can't transfer MP3s to it to use as ringtones?

How lame.

No, I CAN. No hassle. Upload, done.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Except that the reception is so bad that they wouldn't work in my old apartment without going up to a window, but yeah. So what's the "bullshit" in my instructions? The only steps that involved the phone at all were 1. turning Bluetooth on, 2. making it discoverable, and 3. accepting the file. Do the SEs have some magical telepathic way to get the files to the phone that transfers them before you even know you want to, or what?

My SE is always discoverable. Oh, and it has awesome reception too. But then again I don't live in the US

[macfantn]

SE Rocks my S710 works great and I'm in the US

[laieboy]

I uploaded the mp3 to my Razr but it won't play, even after I select it as the ringtone. My service is with T-mobile, do they lock mp3's from playing on the Razr?

[- - e r i k - -]

Why would they do such a thing?

[phantomdragonz]

Originally Posted by laieboy 

I uploaded the mp3 to my Razr but it won't play, even after I select it as the ringtone. My service is with T-mobile, do they lock mp3's from playing on the Razr?

I know mine had to be short... like 45 secconds, and I also encoded at a relatively low single channel (mono) bitrate, I dont know if thats a requirement... but it works great on my phone...

dont know about t-mobile though...

Zach

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by starman 

No, I CAN. No hassle. Upload, done.

I fail to see how it could be any easier than bluetooth menu -> send file -> choose phone in list -> hit send button.

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

My SE is always discoverable. Oh, and it has awesome reception too. But then again I don't live in the US

Oh, okay. However, considering that it only needs to be discoverable the very first time you pair the computer with the phone, you should really turn that off. Frankly, I think the Motorola way is better security-wise - only make it discoverable when you need to pair it with something. I'm sure that when someone eventually decides to make a Bluetooth cell phone virus, they'll really appreciate the phone makers who leave the discoverable feature on by default.

Originally Posted by laieboy 

I uploaded the mp3 to my Razr but it won't play, even after I select it as the ringtone. My service is with T-mobile, do they lock mp3's from playing on the Razr?

No, they don't. If you followed my instructions and sent the mp3 to the phone and it's still not playing, then there's probably something wrong with your phone.

[starman]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

I fail to see how it could be any easier than bluetooth menu -> send file -> choose phone in list -> hit send button.

Drag file to memory stick. Done.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by starman 

Drag file to memory stick. Done.

More like:

1. Insert memory stick in reader which is attached to your Mac

2. Drag file to memory stick

3. Eject memory stick

4. Put memory stick in phone

How is that any easier than sending it with Bluetooth?

(BTW, the SEs aren't the only phones that use flash memory - many other phones also do, including the RAZR V3i, which uses plain old microSD cards instead of the proprietary Sony Memory Sticks)

[Gossamer]

When I plug my Nokia 6256i w/512MB SD card into my computer via USB cable, it shows up as a flash drive and I can drag and drop anything I want to it.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Gossamer 

When I plug my Nokia 6256i w/512MB SD card into my computer via USB cable, it shows up as a flash drive and I can drag and drop anything I want to it.

Okay, so then it's:

1. Find a USB cable

2. Plug the USB cable into your phone

3. Reach and flail around behind your Mac to plug in the USB cable, since Apple refuses to put any ports on the front or side anymore unless you have a $2200 tower

4. Drag MP3 file to the phone

5. Unmount the phone

6. Unplug the USB cables

How is that any easier than using Bluetooth? The latter works even if you don't have a cable handy.

Oh, and if you store your ringtones on the flash card instead of internal memory, what happens if the phone rings while the card is ejected?

[Todd Madson]

Remember too that if you have a Verizon RAZR you can't do this because
they disabled bluetooth file transfers so they could make a killing charging
people for stupid samples of bad rap music. Go to howard forums to bypass
this stupidity.

Just about every cellular carrier has their own firmware for the RAZR, I
found this out the hard way when I got my Razr thru my workplaces
cell phone program.

I hate Cingular too but for different reasons.

[zerostar]

Can't you seem edit to get the obex working on a Verizon V3? That is crap and I would NEVER use a company that disabled it phones to sell you songs!

I have a european v635 so nothing is crippled, I can use bluetooth or use USB with the transflash card (in the phone or in a reader)

I convert within itunes (MP3 196K mono) and use mp3 trimmer to cut them down to 45 seconds or so, then usually transfer with bluetooth.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Todd Madson 

Remember too that if you have a Verizon RAZR

He doesn't, he has a T-Mobile RAZR, and he mentioned that in the original post.

Also, Verizon screwed up and forgot to block the Bluetooth on some of the V3c RAZRs (but not the V3m), so there's a possibility of having full Bluetooth support on a Verizon RAZR anyway.

[starman]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

How is that any easier than sending it with Bluetooth?

Much easier if you're doing multiple files.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Okay, so then it's:

1. Find a USB cable

2. Plug the USB cable into your phone

3. Reach and flail around behind your Mac to plug in the USB cable, since Apple refuses to put any ports on the front or side anymore unless you have a $2200 tower

4. Drag MP3 file to the phone

5. Unmount the phone

6. Unplug the USB cables

How is that any easier than using Bluetooth? The latter works even if you don't have a cable handy.

Oh, and if you store your ringtones on the flash card instead of internal memory, what happens if the phone rings while the card is ejected?

It's easier when you don't have bluetooth, and you do have front panel USB ports on your $350 Mac . And ringtones can be transferred from card to phone memory, plus my memory card is actually inside the phone, I have to remove the battery to get it out.

[zerostar]

Originally Posted by starman 

Much easier if you're doing multiple files.

Actually with most of the motos you can "browse bluetooth device" and it will show you the pictures/audio/videos directories, then you can upload multiple files and they will all upload just fine.... Same with pics or videos as well.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Gossamer 

It's easier when you don't have bluetooth, and you do have front panel USB ports on your $350 Mac .

Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaah... Moving on.

And ringtones can be transferred from card to phone memory

Thus adding yet another additional step.

I'm not saying that transferring files via USB is a bad thing or a bad idea. I'm just wondering what makes Bluetooth such an oh so terrible way to do it that my instructions, which I spent some time writing in order to be clear, concise, and helpful, got called "bullshit." I don't appreciate that, especially since, to put it mildly, starman hasn't yet demonstrated much knowledge at all of cell phone technology.

[starman]

Wow. You really take things the wrong way.

[zerroeffect]

Make a shortcut to bluetooth power on your razr by holding the top center (menu) button on the option in the menu. Then, you just have to go to your shortcuts menu (which is hopefully a faceplate button or one of the side buttons) and select bluetooth power. Skips some steps there.

Having bluetooth on all the time is not only a security risk, but seems to drain power on my razr. Blindly accepting the default settings of your phone doesn't seem smart.

Via the bluetooth manager in OSX, you can select multiple files to transfer over easily.

The razr is one of the worst phones I have ever had, but it's not hard to transfer files over to it from OSX, or even windows with the right USB cable and software. Every MP3 file I have put on there works fine, too.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by starman 

Wow. You really take things the wrong way.

Really now. Then how would you suggest I interpret your popping in here just to call my instructions "bullshit" for reasons which still don't make any sense?

[starman]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Really now. Then how would you suggest I interpret your popping in here just to call my instructions "bullshit" for reasons which still don't make any sense?

Since when did I call your instructions bullshit? You make it sound like I'm chastising you for developing the Razr itself.

[Todd Madson]

What applications are you using for doing the transfers?

And yes, Verizon intentionally disabled the bluetooth transfer capability
in the most recent firmware on their RAZR phones - an earlier version
retains it.

There was an issue of PC World magazine that discussed restoring this:
Download from PC Magazine: Hack Your RAZR

They also referred people to the howardforums.com site.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by starman 

Since when did I call your instructions bullshit? You make it sound like I'm chastising you for developing the Razr itself.

"I love my SE w810. None of this bullsh*t"

BTW, you ought to follow my instructions for your SE W810, too, at least the part about making the MP3 files. AFAICT, the W810 has a regular mono cellphone speaker, which means you want to run a high-pass filter on the ringtones to avoid blowing out the speaker (at least according to info I gleaned from howardforums.com).

[starman]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

"I love my SE w810. None of this bullsh*t"

BTW, you ought to follow my instructions for your SE W810, too, at least the part about making the MP3 files. AFAICT, the W810 has a regular mono cellphone speaker, which means you want to run a high-pass filter on the ringtones to avoid blowing out the speaker (at least according to info I gleaned from howardforums.com).

Hmm..yeah. Where did I say "Chuck, your instructions are bullshit"?

Let me know when you find it.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by starman 

Hmm..yeah. Where did I say "Chuck, your instructions are bullshit"?

Let me know when you find it.

Then what were you referring to as bullshit?

[starman]

All those silly steps.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by starman 

All those silly steps.

Ah, of course. In other words, you were calling my instructions bullshit. After all, my instructions are so "silly" because:

1. You don't need to insert the CD you want. The Magic of Sony Ericsson reads your mind, determines what song you want, and then pulls it out of the aether. Of course.

2. Why, you don't need to manually trim the sound file, because the Magic of Sony Ericsson reads your mind and knows exactly what 15-30 seconds you want as the ringtone! And it trims it for you!

3. You don't need to boost the sound, because the Magic of Sony Ericsson makes sure that you'll only use a clip that is already loud enough to hear as a ringtone. Even if it's a classical track that the engineers used an expander on to make the dynamic contrast even greater than it would be naturally, with the result that the only point that's suitably loud for a ringtone is the very climax of the entire piece.

4. You don't have to worry about using the High Pass Filter to avoid blowing out the speaker, even though it's the same mono cell phone speaker that every other phone uses, because if that happens the Magic of Sony Ericsson automatically beams a new speaker into your phone using Star Trek transporter technology at no cost and beams the old one into a landfill.

5 and 6. You don't need to worry about downsampling the MP3 because the Magic of Sony Ericsson must magically do that for you too, right?

7-11. And of course you don't need to actually transfer the ringtones to your phone, because the Magic of Sony Ericsson once again just pulls it magically out of the aether before you even realize you want the ringtone in the first place.

Why must you come and vandalize any thread that's ever about cell phones? Those steps were pretty much for ANY CELL PHONE, INCLUDING the Sony Ericssons. The ONLY thing specific to the RAZR in those steps was the description of how to turn Bluetooth on! Go search HowardForums, and you'll find plenty of discussions about how to use Audacity/iTunes (or other software combos) to crop and encode ringtones, IN THE SONY ERICSSON FORUM.

[Dakar²]

I think he's saying 4 of your instructions are silly, because you can just leave the USB cable plugged in.

[CharlesS]

Isn't the whole point of a cell phone to be able to carry it around, and thus not leave it permanently attached to a USB cable?

Besides, the OP probably doesn't have a USB cable of the type that would attach the phone. He did mention that he has a Bluetooth-capable Mac. Sheesh!

edit: you know, it's funny. The first thread I saw starman bashing the RAZR in, he was claiming that it couldn't do Bluetooth. I pointed out that yes, it can. He replied that it can't do Bluetooth phone-to-phone, and I've tried that and yes, it can. So now it's that Bluetooth is suddenly bad or something.

[starman]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Ah, of course. In other words, you were calling my instructions bullshit. After all, my instructions are so "silly" because:

1. You don't need to insert the CD you want. The Magic of Sony Ericsson reads your mind, determines what song you want, and then pulls it out of the aether. Of course.

2. Why, you don't need to manually trim the sound file, because the Magic of Sony Ericsson reads your mind and knows exactly what 15-30 seconds you want as the ringtone! And it trims it for you!

3. You don't need to boost the sound, because the Magic of Sony Ericsson makes sure that you'll only use a clip that is already loud enough to hear as a ringtone. Even if it's a classical track that the engineers used an expander on to make the dynamic contrast even greater than it would be naturally, with the result that the only point that's suitably loud for a ringtone is the very climax of the entire piece.

4. You don't have to worry about using the High Pass Filter to avoid blowing out the speaker, even though it's the same mono cell phone speaker that every other phone uses, because if that happens the Magic of Sony Ericsson automatically beams a new speaker into your phone using Star Trek transporter technology at no cost and beams the old one into a landfill.

5 and 6. You don't need to worry about downsampling the MP3 because the Magic of Sony Ericsson must magically do that for you too, right?

7-11. And of course you don't need to actually transfer the ringtones to your phone, because the Magic of Sony Ericsson once again just pulls it magically out of the aether before you even realize you want the ringtone in the first place.

Why must you come and vandalize any thread that's ever about cell phones? Those steps were pretty much for ANY CELL PHONE, INCLUDING the Sony Ericssons. The ONLY thing specific to the RAZR in those steps was the description of how to turn Bluetooth on! Go search HowardForums, and you'll find plenty of discussions about how to use Audacity/iTunes (or other software combos) to crop and encode ringtones, IN THE SONY ERICSSON FORUM.

You just won't stop, will you?

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

Isn't the whole point of a cell phone to be able to carry it around, and thus not leave it permanently attached to a USB cable?

Who said anything about having it plugged into the USB cable 24/7?

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by CharlesS 

I'm not saying that transferring files via USB is a bad thing or a bad idea. I'm just wondering what makes Bluetooth such an oh so terrible way to do it

How about transferring 500MB of mp3s?

Protocol MB/sec
Bluetooth 1.1 0.125
Bluetooth 2 2 to 12
USB 2.0 60

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

Who said anything about having it plugged into the USB cable 24/7?

Does "leave it plugged in" mean something else to you than it does to me?

Originally Posted by Gossamer 

How about transferring 500MB of mp3s?

Considering that most ringtones are in the 200K to 300K range, that would be a lot of ringtones.

[MOTHERWELL]

Worked on my verizon razr. Thanks for the info! I am so glad I don't have to spend $1.99 to get a 10 second clip of a song.