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Originally Posted by exca1ibur 

Your PVR and standalone do FAR less and draw less power.

Indeed, and that was my point, in response to this comment:

ANY piece of electronic equipment kept in a closed cabinet will get hot, the PS3 is not exception. I keep my PS3 on an open shelf and have NEVER had the fans turn on.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by exca1ibur 

Your PVR and standalone do FAR less and draw less power.

The way I feel about it is stuff like this justifies why in the end a standalone player is a better option than a game console. Yes, I understand why the PS3 heats up so much, but in the end, having the self described Bluray player of choice unable to run in a cabinet built for AV equipment is really not acceptable.

My parents have a very closed A/V cabinet, and if I told them that their high def player wasn't going to be able to run with their cabinet closed they would laugh. It's reasons like this that standalones matter.

[exca1ibur]

Originally Posted by goMac 

The way I feel about it is stuff like this justifies why in the end a standalone player is a better option than a game console. Yes, I understand why the PS3 heats up so much, but in the end, having the self described Bluray player of choice unable to run in a cabinet built for AV equipment is really not acceptable.

My parents have a very closed A/V cabinet, and if I told them that their high def player wasn't going to be able to run with their cabinet closed they would laugh. It's reasons like this that standalones matter.

Being I need to physically get to my console more than normal AV equipment, I have it in a location that is accessible and not locked up. In saying that, I like all my electronic equipment breathe, so I don't use cabinets and lock them into areas.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by exca1ibur 

Being I need to physically get to my console more than normal AV equipment, I have it in a location that is accessible and not locked up. In saying that, I like all my electronic equipment breathe, so I don't use cabinets and lock them into areas.

A LOT of people do. Currently I don't for my projector, but before I had them slotted in small shelves, and I do have have stuff in cupboards for my other TV.

I personally hate having my components exposed, but the layout of my projector room dictates that I have to have them exposed... until I renovate it.

Thus, having a console in that setup is not a big deal, but for many people the heat from a 360 or PS3 is a major problem.

Even more important is the noise for a lot of people.

[Dakar the Fourth]

On my new entertainment center, I find having a door in front of the 360 may be the most irritating thing. As much as I like trying to muffle the fan noise, I really don't like constantly opening and closing it to access the disc tray, so I just leave it open 90% of the time now.

[exca1ibur]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

On my new entertainment center, I find having a door in front of the 360 may be the most irritating thing. As much as I like trying to muffle the fan noise, I really don't like constantly opening and closing it to access the disc tray, so I just leave it open 90% of the time now.

That is my issue as well. I get tired of opening and closing doors, hence why I don't bother with cabinets any more.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by exca1ibur 

Source?

ps3 profits and loss - Google Search

Sony 4th-quarter loss widens on Playstation 3 costs, but record | Deseret News (Salt Lake City) | Find Articles at BNET.com

Launch costs for the PlayStation 3 were a key factor behind Sony's 67.6 billion yen ($563 million) loss for the January-March quarter, worse than the 66.5 billion yen loss the Japanese electronics and entertainment company reported the same period a year earlier.

Sony profits soar but games division bombs thanks to PS3 - GAMER.BLORGE.com

The games division however (cue understatement of the year) didn’t fare quite so well. The PS3 has directly contributed to a huge loss of $841 million for the Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. subsidiary. This is more than double what the games division lost for its parent company in the same timeframe last year.
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After taking helm in 2005, Stringer got Sony to drop unprofitable businesses, sell off assets, reduce jobs and shutter plants.

So the PS3 division quarterly loss jumped from $563 million to $841 million. The loss increase, not decrease.

And like every company, Sony drops unprofitable businesses. So if Sony continues losing $800 mil per quarter, it will be in deep sh*t. So you can talk about economies of scale and technological advances all you want.

[icruise]

I never really understood the appeal of having enclosed cabinets. The worst are those cabinets that enclose the whole TV. They seem to be popular with women, who for some reason always want to hide the TV.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by exca1ibur 

That is my issue as well. I get tired of opening and closing doors, hence why I don't bother with cabinets any more.

I suspect I'll be removing the door at some point. I didn't even bother putting them on both sides.
Well it's not a cabinet so much as an entertainment center.

[exca1ibur]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

ps3 profits and loss - Google Search

Sony 4th-quarter loss widens on Playstation 3 costs, but record | Deseret News (Salt Lake City) | Find Articles at BNET.com



Sony profits soar but games division bombs thanks to PS3 - GAMER.BLORGE.com



So the PS3 division quarterly loss jumped from $563 million to $841 million. The loss increase, not decrease.

And like every company, Sony drops unprofitable businesses. So if Sony continues losing $800 mil per quarter, it will be in deep sh*t. So you can talk about economies of scale and technological advances all you want.

I didn't ask for those sources. I was asking for the source of my quote.

When the PS3 was selling for $599, it was losing $200 to $300 per unit.

When the PS3 was selling for $399, it was losing $200 to $300 per unit.

Maybe I should have been more clear. I'm talking about the actual manufacturing cost of the PS3. The new units (40GB and 80GB) have lower manufacturing costs now for sure. Sony has never publicly stated how much it costs to manufacture a PS3. Since you seem to know that, I was asking for that source, I'd be curious to see what the costs are, specifically with their high volume purchase breaks.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by exca1ibur 

I didn't ask for those sources. I was asking for the source of my quote.

When the PS3 was selling for $599, it was losing $200 to $300 per unit.

When the PS3 was selling for $399, it was losing $200 to $300 per unit.

Maybe I should have been more clear. I'm talking about the actual manufacturing cost of the PS3. The new units (40GB and 80GB) have lower manufacturing costs now for sure. Sony has never publicly stated how much it costs to manufacture a PS3. Since you seem to know that, I was asking for that source, I'd be curious to see what the costs are, specifically with their high volume purchase breaks.

Click on the first link in my previous post. It'll take you to a google search of PS3 profits and loss. Lots of information about cost of PS3. Sony is losing more selling it at $399.

SCEA: PS3 price won’t drop for two years... - Ozymandias

Sony wasn't even planning to drop the price of the PS3 until 2008, but it was selling poorly, so they had to. Here's what SCEA's Jack Tretton said:

When asked by US magazine Game Informer whether Sony would cut the price of PS3 as soon as they did after the PS2’s launch, Tretton replied: “No… There’s a heck of a lot more under the hood and it costs us more money to make it.” He added that “it will be a lot more difficult” to reduce the recommended price of PS3.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by icruise 

I never really understood the appeal of having enclosed cabinets. The worst are those cabinets that enclose the whole TV. They seem to be popular with women, who for some reason always want to hide the TV.

I hate 'em too. When I was a kid my mom bought a giant monstrosity that covered an entire wall of our "play" room, and we were only able to fit a 36" TV inside of it. The cabinet is still there and every time I walk into the room I want to smash it with an axe. The room would be so much bigger without it.

I mean it was seriously 10' wide by 9' high. Huge.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by icruise 

I never really understood the appeal of having enclosed cabinets. The worst are those cabinets that enclose the whole TV. They seem to be popular with women, who for some reason always want to hide the TV.

Personally I think TVs are ugly in many living rooms. I specifically had a cabinet custom made to hide my 42" TV. The room has almost a cottage-y feel to it (depending on the furniture), but with the humungous TV in there it totally destroys the feel.





It's about 45" wide IIRC, and about 7' tall. The room looks so much better when the cabinet doors are closed.

P.S. In the bottom cabinet I keep all my instruction manuals and remotes and other junk, as well as a separate receiver and speaker distribution panel that sends audio to various speakers around the house.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Yeah, I suppose if you're doing old fashioned stuff that might be true. My plasma has only enhanced the feel of my living room.

[hyteckit]

No ugly cabinets or armoires. Get yourself a TV bench.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

No ugly cabinets or armoires. Get yourself a TV bench.

Had one. I'm glad to be rid of it.

[exca1ibur]