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Blu-ray/HD DVD... Who is winning? (Page 111)
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Originally Posted by goMac 
No, I don't, and no where did I say I thought they would be switching back. My point is that the format war wasn't resolved by consumer choice or studio choice, it was resolved by money. It's absurd to argue that Bluray one because it was the consumer format of choice.
It was a question based on your chosen quote. Where did I accuse you of saying anything?
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Originally Posted by climber
You mean those pesky customers that kept doing stupid things like buying twice as many blue as red?
Why do you keep arguing this point as if sales of movie titles had any bearing at all in the studio's decisions? It's already been shown they didn't.
Originally Posted by climber
It was a question base on your chosen quote. Where did I accuse you of saying anything.
Because it's kind of a strange question to ask. The article already addressed why Warner went Bluray.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Why do you keep arguing this point as if sales of movie titles had any bearing at all in the studio's de
Nobody offered me money to buy a PS3 or any of the movies. BR beat HD's 8 month lead in one month after the PS3 shipped and again it had nothing to do with studio's bribing anyone.
You are just taking a sour grapes aprotch now saying BR bought there way into victory with your assumptions.
The only recent payoff that is known is with Paramount to HD.
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Originally Posted by goMac
No, I don't, and no where did I say I thought they would be switching back. My point is that the format war wasn't resolved by consumer choice or studio choice, it was resolved by money. It's absurd to argue that Bluray one because it was the consumer format of choice.
Maybe, but it's even more absurd to argue that the format with a fraction of the installed base and half the software sales was the consumer format of choice. So in that sense, I guess Blu-ray was in fact the choice of consumers (at least those who care about HD, which is admittedly a small subset of the whole).
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Originally Posted by goMac
No, I don't, and no where did I say I thought they would be switching back. My point is that the format war wasn't resolved by consumer choice or studio choice, it was resolved by money. It's absurd to argue that Bluray one because it was the consumer format of choice.
I still can't get over what a load of crap that is. BR has outsold HD in disks sales for 12 months straight because that is what consumers CHOSE they wanted even if they had to pay TWICE AS MUCH for it.
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Originally Posted by icruise
Maybe, but it's even more absurd to argue that the format with a fraction of the installed base and half the software sales was the consumer format of choice. So in that sense, I guess Blu-ray was in fact the choice of consumers (at least those who care about HD, which is admittedly a small subset of the whole).
I'm not sure. I think Bluray owners were more likely to buy more titles. HD-DVD players outsold Bluray players (and the PS3 attach rates were low), yet Bluray continued to sell more discs. It's really to only way to explain that. In that respect, it was all sort of a wash. There was no guarantee that when Bluray went mass market that your average consumer would continue the trend.
Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
I still can't get over what a load of crap that is. BR has outsold HD in disks sales for 12 months straight because that is what consumers CHOSE they wanted even if they had to pay TWICE AS MUCH for it.
Again, this didn't factor at all into the studio's decisions. Yes, BR outsold HD-DVD, but in the end the studios didn't care and even tried to go HD-DVD.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Again, this didn't factor at all into the studio's decisions. Yes, BR outsold HD-DVD, but in the end the studios didn't care and even tried to go HD-DVD.
How so? They went with the format that sold more content for them to make more money? Do you not agree that is a good business decision?
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Originally Posted by exca1ibur
How so? They went with the format that sold more content for them to make more money?
Huh? They were in a position to decide which format would make money. Your comment doesn't make any sense. Already numerous sources have said the reason Warner went Bluray was because Fox was paid off.
Originally Posted by exca1ibur
Do you not agree that is a good business decision?
I'm disheartened it came down to money and didn't come down to studio or consumer preference.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Again, this didn't factor at all into the studio's decisions. Yes, BR outsold HD-DVD, but in the end the studios didn't care and even tried to go HD-DVD.
Oh you mean the cash out by Paramount.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Oh you mean the cash out by Paramount.
No, he means the cash payout to Fox.
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Originally Posted by goMac
I'm disheartened it came down to money and didn't come down to studio or consumer preference.
Consumer preference in a niche market already filled with confusion would have taken forever.
I don't care who wins, so long as I don't have to worry about supporting two formats. Anyone should realize that it's a win-win for both the studios and the consumers if only one version wins. VHS/Beta was a bitch in the day.
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Oh you mean the cash out by Paramount.
The cash payout to Fox bothers me because Fox actually chose HD-DVD until they were paid out. In other words, we're getting stuck with the format that even Fox thought was the worse format.
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Originally Posted by goMac
The cash payout to Fox bothers me because Fox actually chose HD-DVD until they were paid out. In other words, we're getting stuck with the format that even Fox thought was the worse format.
Well you go cry about that while we puzzle over why paramount goes HD-DVD when the PS3 is dropping in price as BR outsells HD for 11 months straight.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Huh? They were in a position to decide which format would make money. Your comment doesn't make any sense. Already numerous sources have said the reason Warner went Bluray was because Fox was paid off.
I'm disheartened it came down to money and didn't come down to studio or consumer preference.
HD-DVD got outsold every month from the time it hit the market. Paramount tried to force the position and it still didn't do anything. Warner waited for the holidays, and it still did nothing. Am I the only one seeing a pattern here? Studios care about movie sales not hardware sales and that never changed.
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Originally Posted by exca1ibur
HD-DVD got outsold every month from the time it hit the market. Paramount tried to force the position and it still didn't do anything. Warner waited for the holidays, and it still did nothing. Am I the only one seeing a pattern here? Studios care about movie sales not hardware sales and that never changed.
Again, your argument doesn't make sense. Both Warner and Fox indicated they preferred HD-DVD.
Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Well you go cry about that while we puzzle over why paramount goes HD-DVD when the PS3 is dropping in price as BR outsells HD for 11 months straight.
Yes. Because the PS3 has dramatically undercut everyone else. 
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