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cSurfr · Jan 16, 2008, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by hyteckit

I have to agree with you on this one. Hidefdigest seems to give the PQ a good rating. I saw spiderman 3 on Blu-ray demo at CES. Wow, looks no better than the 3 year old Harry Potter #3 movie on HDDVD. Spiderman 3 on Blu-ray has a lot of noise and quite blurry in many scenes.

That's exactly it. I'm seeing some noise. I had a few gift cards and wanted to play heavenly sword and resistance, so i picked up a PS3 today. I'm playing on my 42" Plasma. Granted, it's almost 3 years old now. I have 2 more BRs coming tomorrow, so we'll see how they turn out. I still can't get over how Open Season looked at the store today. . . I guess that's what 1080p gets you, Other than debt

analogue SPRINKLES · Jan 17, 2008, 12:13 AM

Leaked memo: Time Warner Cable to trial hard bandwidth caps

exca1ibur · Jan 17, 2008, 12:39 AM

That is exactly what I expect all ISPs to do once all this media hits the online main stream.

analogue SPRINKLES · Jan 17, 2008, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by exca1ibur

That is exactly what I expect all ISPs to do once all this media hits the online main stream.

Yep, another reason I rather spend my $4 on a DVD rental.

Brien · Jan 17, 2008, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by jokell82

Well you can RENT from Xbox Live, but it has HDCP, as does the Apple TV. But the Macs do not.

I'm more worried of when those HDCP keys are turned on and everyone is forced into buying new hardware.

Eug · Jan 17, 2008, 07:33 AM

HD DVD still kickin' with new releases

The product announcements come in a week when the top 10 high-definition disc sellers are all Blu-ray Disc releases, according to an analysis of Nielsen VideoScan First Alert sales numbers by Home Media Magazine's market research department.

Net HD DVD sales, according to Nielsen, constituted only 15% of hi-def disc sales last week. And the top HD DVD seller, "The Kingdom," sold just 10% as many copies as the top Blu-ray Disc release, "3:10 to Yuma."

Originally Posted by cSurfr

That's exactly it. I'm seeing some noise. I had a few gift cards and wanted to play heavenly sword and resistance, so i picked up a PS3 today. I'm playing on my 42" Plasma. Granted, it's almost 3 years old now. I have 2 more BRs coming tomorrow, so we'll see how they turn out. I still can't get over how Open Season looked at the store today. . . I guess that's what 1080p gets you, Other than debt

Digital artifacting noise, or film grain?

jokell82 · Jan 17, 2008, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

so the average buyer knows that and can easily hack it? Wow.

I figured you were asking for you and I assumed you were smarter than the average buyer.

But I could be wrong on both points.

starman · Jan 17, 2008, 08:28 AM

I'm still trying to figure out what the "average consumer" is on this thread. So far, nobody's posted a single decent link or an actual statement about what that means.

jokell82 · Jan 17, 2008, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by starman

I'm still trying to figure out what the "average consumer" is on this thread. So far, nobody's posted a single decent link or an actual statement about what that means.

The "average consumer" can mean many different things depending on what you're talking about. The average HiDef consumer is a lot different from your average home video consumer.

But if you're looking for a general average consumer you'll find them in Walmart.

CaptainHaddock · Jan 17, 2008, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by starman

I still don't see how HD-DVD can survive. Personally, I'm not even going to bother buying HD-DVD movies anymore. It would take a flippin' miracle for HD-DVD to come back and win.

Not a miracle — if Toshiba and its partners can buy off another major studio to back HD-DVD (like they did with Paramount), the race will be on again.

Not to mention that North America is hardly the only market. HD-DVD might get more of a foothold among distributors in Europe, Japan, or other regions. (For example, VCDs snuffed out VHS in a lot of Asian countries.)

Eug · Jan 17, 2008, 09:02 AM

I highly doubt Toshiba will buy a studio, and HD DVD in Japan is a complete lost cause as you should know, considering you live in 名古屋.

starman · Jan 17, 2008, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by jokell82

The "average consumer" can mean many different things depending on what you're talking about. The average HiDef consumer is a lot different from your average home video consumer.

But if you're looking for a general average consumer you'll find them in Walmart.

And Walmart sells hidef equipment, so again, we're back to square one.

I only bring it up because I think it's seriously hampering this discussion since nobody has defined and/or agreed on what the average consumer is.

Chongo · Jan 17, 2008, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

Not a miracle — if Toshiba and its partners can buy off another major studio to back HD-DVD (like they did with Paramount), the race will be on again.

Not to mention that North America is hardly the only market. HD-DVD might get more of a foothold among distributors in Europe, Japan, or other regions. (For example, VCDs snuffed out VHS in a lot of Asian countries.)

HD DVD allegedly has the lead in Europe. You can also get titles that are US "BD Exclusive" on HD DVD there. As mentioned earlier, China's CHD DVD players will play HD DVD as well

Eug · Jan 17, 2008, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Chongo

HD DVD allegedly has the lead in Europe. You can also get titles that are US "BD Exclusive" on HD DVD there. As mentioned earlier, China's CHD DVD players will play HD DVD as well

China is interesting. However, CH DVD is kinda vapourware at this point.

As for Europe, I had thought that overall Blu-ray had the lead, but it may vary by region.

Mrjinglesusa · Jan 17, 2008, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by starman

And Walmart sells hidef equipment, so again, we're back to square one.

I only bring it up because I think it's seriously hampering this discussion since nobody has defined and/or agreed on what the average consumer is.

The "average consumer" who shops at Wal-Mart is not going to be buying HD-DVD or Blu-ray. They may buy an HDTV from Wal-Mart but that's about it. Wal-Mart doesn't really push high-def video formats. I would also say that the "average consumer" who buys an HDTV is not buying it because it's HD, but is buying it because it's a plasma or LCD (i.e., form factor) more than anything else. IMO, the majority of people who buy LCDs and plasmas never actually order an HD receiver from their cable company.

analogue SPRINKLES · Jan 17, 2008, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by jokell82

I figured you were asking for you and I assumed you were smarter than the average buyer.

But I could be wrong on both points.

Oh trust me I know how to do it but I am not the average consumer. I am bleeding edge.

The average person is not going to be able to hack Apple TV do be more useful.

Eug · Jan 17, 2008, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

The "average consumer" who shops at Wal-Mart is not going to be buying HD-DVD or Blu-ray. They may buy an HDTV from Wal-Mart but that's about it. Wal-Mart doesn't really push high-def video formats. I would also say that the "average consumer" who buys an HDTV is not buying it because it's HD, but is buying it because it's a plasma or LCD (i.e., form factor) more than anything else. IMO, the majority of people who buy LCDs and plasmas never actually order an HD receiver from their cable company.

The Venturer HD DVD player at Wal-Mart seemed to sell OK before Xmas, judging by reports around the net.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

The average person is not going to be able to hack Apple TV do be more useful.

Yep. And I'm sure I can figure it out too, but I'm not going to bother at this point.