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Blu-ray/HD DVD... Who is winning? (Page 128)
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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa 
Where did I say it wasn't? 
My point is that Blu-ray offers better picture and better sound than DVD. Other than those two things, what more would one want in a new video format to replace DVD (eventually)?
Instant delivery?
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Have any of you Blu Ray owners seen this link? Take some training, and get a free movie. The fiance and I did it, and we're just waiting for ours to arrive (Invincible, and The Prestige) 
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Sweet, all current HDDVD players will support the new TL51, triple layer 51GB disc.
Take that Bluray. Bluray is so dead. 
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Originally Posted by jokell82
Instant delivery?
Nope, don't care about "instant" delivery. I prefer physical media until instant delivery can offer 1080p and lossless audio. Not going to happen for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.
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Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa
Nope, don't care about "instant" delivery. I prefer physical media until instant delivery can offer 1080p and lossless audio. Not going to happen for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time.
For you. It may be that others do care. No one knows just yet as both Blu-Ray and online rentals/purchases are both in their infancy.
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Originally Posted by mrtew
I think to upgrade to Blu-ray you don't have to buy new copies of all your old DVD's because the backwards compatibility lets you keep them and the upscaling almost makes it seem like you already upgraded your collection to HD. DVD truly replaced VHS after a while but Blu-ray is a really different proposition because it enhances your old collection of movies rather than making them useless junk. Your new $300 machine gives you a new movie collection rather than forcing you to buy a new movie collection.
Originally Posted by TETENAL
HD DVD did that as well.
Sorry, you're right of course, but I think you may have missed my point. I was answering the person who said that people will be slow to upgrade to Blu-ray because it doesn't offer enough benefits over DVD to warrant replacing one's entire library as DVD did with VHS. HD-DVD was similar to Blu-ray in most respects.
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Originally Posted by ort888
i thought we all knew this? 
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Apple has changed the terms of their 24 hour downloads. They now work like this:
• Within the first 24 hours you can play the movies as many times as you want.
• After 24 hours you can only finish the movie from where you've left off.
So for example, if someone watches half of the movie at hour 18, walks away and comes back at hour 32, he can still watch the second half of the movie. He just can't go back and play the entire movie again.
Time Machinations: Apple Lets You Keep iTunes Video Rentals Longer Than 24 Hours, No Hacks Required
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Originally Posted by ort888
I honestly have to wonder what kind of crack that guy is smoking to think that 720p downloads could be offered in the 1.5 Mb/s range.
Apple's files are going to be in the 4.5 Mb/s range btw.
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Originally Posted by ort888
Either he's confused, or he's just trying to be misleading.
I agree the quality of some of the downloads available isn't going to be the greatest, but his reasoning isn't correct.
He states that the bitrate is low, and the resolution is lower than Blu-ray/HD DVD. Except we already know the resolution is lower which should reduce the needed bitrate. Also he talks about broadcast TV's HD's higher bitrate and fails to mention that it's using MPEG2, while Microsoft is using WMV and Apple is using H.264, both of which are several times as efficient as MPEG2 for space.
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Originally Posted by Eug
He states that the bitrate is low, and the resolution is lower than Blu-ray/HD DVD. Except we already know the resolution is lower which should reduce the needed bitrate. Also he talks about broadcast TV's HD's higher bitrate and fails to mention that it's using MPEG2, while Microsoft is using WMV and Apple is using H.264, both of which are several times as efficient as MPEG2 for space.
Right, it's kind of ridiculous. Bluray has a transfer rate of 36 mb/s, but you have to understand, that's for MPEG2 video at 1080p with uncompressed 7.1 audio. MPEG2 files are huge. At 720p, 4.5 Mb/s H.264 is very good quality.
He quotes 1.5 Mb/s for 720p video. 1.5 Mb/s is low for 720p... 2.5 Mb/s sounds more likely, and you'd only find that on places like ABC's free streaming...
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From some posts on AVS from people definitely more knowledgeable than me, it seems that aTV downloads will be similar or even better quality than broadcast HD. Something to do with the 2 pass encoding done for the videos vs. the on the fly mpeg2 encoding...
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Reasonable 720p (although not as artifact free as Blu-ray/HD DVD) would be around 6-7 Mbps, or about 50 MB per minute. IOW, reasonable 720p WMV/H.264 is about the same bitrate as MPEG2 DVD.
At that bitrate, a 100 minute movie would be 5 GB. Apple's downloads are probably slightly lower than that, but nowhere near as bad as the guy is claiming.
BTW, the HD torrents out there are about 2ish GB for a 90 minute movie IIRC. Those do suck IMO, but are "good enough" for average joe-bootlegger for HD.
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Originally Posted by Eug
At that bitrate, a 100 minute movie would be 5 GB. Apple's downloads are probably slightly lower than that, but nowhere near as bad as the guy is claiming.
We'll see. My values I came up with calculated the bitrate based on a 4 gig file at 120 minutes. It might be a little low. It's likely that 120 minute movie from Apple might be 5 or 6 gigs. A 120 minute movie on XBox Live is certainly more around 6 gigs with VC1.
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