[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by TETENAL 

Geeks are excited about Take 2. Normal people will stick with physical media just like normal people stuck with purchasing CDs.

Yup.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by starman 

You didn't say "possible", you said "great success".

Yes, it's technically possible with great success.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

If it's a "great success" then why don't people know about it? It must be the best kept secret in the world.

Do you understand what I meant when I said that the AppleTV works with HD on broadband connections with great success? Do you understand that I said nothing at all about it's popularity?

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Really, you're acting just as idiotic here as you do in the gaming threads. You make crap up, and then change your wordings.

No, you're taking my words and changing the meanings. No where did I say that it was a great success on the marketplace yet. I said that the HD downloads have been used on current broadband connections with great success. I'm not going to play these games where I say one thing and you guys try to change the argument to something else.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Oh it's just the standard connection around here for people who don't want to spend too much on internet because they only use it for email and websurfing.

And again, I have a feeling that the market of people that want to save money on internet connections, but are going to go out and buy a huge TV, a 5.1 system, and a high def player for a substantial premium over the AppleTV is not to large. Does such a market exist? Most likely. But it's going to be small.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Sadly in most rural areas, suburbs and small towns it is the max speed available. Now, looking at the US of A:

Rural areas? I find that hard to believe, considering DSL requires a transfer station, and most rural areas probably don't have transfer stations...

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Top News - Study: U.S. lags in ’net speed

Yes, I've seen that study.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Average download speed of 1.97Mbps in the US roughly six months ago. I think it is safe to assume that things have not improved significantly since then.

However, the US is on the verge of a large bandwidth increase. DOCSIS 3.0 is on the way, and FIOS is spreading at a decent rate. DOCSIS 3.0 does not even require new wiring infrastructure.

(Another good question about that survey is if it includes 56k users. I would hope that there is not much of an argument that 56k users are definitely not likely to be buying big TV's and HD players.)

Even so, you still have a very large number of people who are over the 4 Mbps mark.

Here's a good question for you. Which do you think is going to be faster? The adoption of high def players in the market, or the penetration of high speed connections over 4Mbps?

Originally Posted by voodoo 

People don't buy HDTVs and BD-Players to watch streamed content off the internet. Obviously they want to use their BD player with their new HDTV.

People didn't buy devices previously that didn't exist previously? Tell me more about this strange concept.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Even so -- about 30% of homes in the US have HDTV. Assuming they all have internet and 100% faster than the average, they still have only 3Mpbs in download speed.

You're assuming the growth in the bandwidth trend is linear. Your paper you posted says that as it stands, more people have cable connections than DSL connections. The means a majority of broadband customers should be in the 4-8 Mbps range. This also implies that the whitepaper you posted does indeed include 56k users into their numbers.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

People in rural areas can have HDTVs, but can't have fast internet. Everyone can have HDTVs and BD-players and they also know how to use them.

There is a substantial difference between "everybody needs" and "everybody wants." Most people, especially those who don't have large pocket books, may not find hi def players a compelling enough upgrade.

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Renting off the internet is way too nerdy.

I suppose buying music off the internet is way too nerdy a concept too?

[Oversoul]

Originally Posted by voodoo 

Nope, he was right on the money. I just hope he won't make more movies

No luck there. He's working on Transformers 2.

[starman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Yes, it's technically possible with great success.
...
No, you're taking my words and changing the meanings. No where did I say that it was a great success on the marketplace yet.

No, this is what you said:

People are having great success with the HD movie rentals on the US infrastructure today.

You didn't say "possible", you said "are having". I'd like to know how you believe that today HD movie rentals are a "great success" when there aren't any that have been labeled as such.

[starman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

People are having great success with the HD movie rentals on the US infrastructure today. Yes, it'll be great when we have more bandwidth for higher quality downloads, but as it stands internet speeds today are more than adequate.

The existence of XBox Live and AppleTV is enough to show that U.S. broadband is ready.

Quoting this just in case goMac decides to change this post which he didn't even remember he made.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by starman 

Do I have to reiterate this again?

The problem with the studios controlling when and where I can watch a movie is the crux of the problem. When I buy a film, I can watch it when and where I want

Didn't people already say they didn't want that type of thing?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by goMac 

And again, I have a feeling that the market of people that want to save money on internet connections, but are going to go out and buy a huge TV, a 5.1 system, and a high def player for a substantial premium over the AppleTV is not to large. Does such a market exist? Most likely. But it's going to be small.

Right just like that "feeling" you had that because people were buying the Wii because it was cheap wouldn't have the money or the need to hook it up to an HD-TV and then it turns out 70% of wii owners have it hooked to an HD set.

Another brilliant prediction brought to you by GoMac.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by starman 

You didn't say "possible", you said "are having". I'd like to know how you believe that today HD movie rentals are a "great success" when there aren't any that have been labeled as such.

You've literally just posted exactly what I said, and I still don't see how you think I've said that HD movie downloads are popular among people in the U.S.

I'm really sick of having you rewrite what I've said just so you can have an argument with me about something I never claimed. You just posted the exact quote from me, and no where did I imply HD movie downloads are popular in the US.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Right just like that "feeling" you had that because people were buying the Wii because it was cheap wouldn't have the money or the need to hook it up to an HD-TV and then it turns out 70% of wii owners have it hooked to an HD set.

You mean time has passed since the Wii came out, and in that time people have upgraded their TV's?

Gosh darn it SWG. You are far too smart for me. When I made that prediction I figured that people would buy their Wii's and then never upgrade their TV's ever again. But apparently I was wrong. I submit to your brilliance.

[starman]

You said that people are having a "great success". Well, I'm asking you how you quantify that. You can't. Nobody can because the market for HD rentals is even smaller than BR and HD-DVD. I'm asking you, where do you come up with a statement like that?

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by starman 

Quoting this just in case goMac decides to change this post which he didn't even remember he made.

This is getting borderline retarded. You just quoted him saying that people were having great success using the AppleTV on their current connections. That does NOT mean that the AppleTV is a commercial success.

Go back to 1st grade English class if you can't understand what he wrote. Sheesh.

[starman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

You mean time has passed since the Wii came out, and in that time people have upgraded their TV's?

OMFG. I can't believe what I'm reading.

You really expect us to be so gullible to think that "oh a few months have passed and 50% of the people upgraded their TVs in under a year and I'm so ubersmart I dind't see that coming"?

[starman]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

This is getting borderline retarded. You just quoted him saying that people were having great success using the AppleTV on their current connections. That does NOT mean that the AppleTV is a commercial success.

Go back to 1st grade English class if you can't understand what he wrote. Sheesh.

I understood what he wrote. How does he back up his claim?

"Hey, one guy rented a movie. That's 'great success'".

No.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by starman 

You said that people are having a "great success". Well, I'm asking you how you quantify that. You can't. Nobody can because the market for HD rentals is even smaller than BR and HD-DVD. I'm asking you, where do you come up with a statement like that?

People are having great success downloading HD movies. Again, where am I at all talking about HD download adoption rates? I think what I said was pretty clear. People who are downloading HD movies are not having any trouble at all.

Where does adoption rates or market share mater at all in that statement? Seriously, I'm not going down this road of "Hey, let's make up something and claim goMac said it!"

[goMac]

Originally Posted by starman 

You really expect us to be so gullible to think that "oh a few months have passed and 50% of the people upgraded their TVs in under a year and I'm so ubersmart I dind't see that coming"?

Yeah uhhhh... It's been a little more than "a few months" since the Wii came out, or I made that prediction.

Just an FYI.