[climber]

What cracks me up is that HD-DVD is significantly more "obsolete" than any profile 1.0. player... using his definition of the term that is. I would not use the term on either. I would only caution those who do not know better that one has recently been discontinued and has no long term future. I would also hope they understand that is why it is selling for less than $100 rather than $400. Most times you do tend to get what you pay for.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by climber 

What cracks me up is that HD-DVD is significantly more "obsolete" than any profile 1.0. player... using his definition of the term that is. I would not use the term on either. I would only caution those who do not know better that one has recently been discontinued and has no long term future. I would also hope they understand that is why it is selling for less than $100 rather than $400. Most times you do tend to get what you pay for.

Well on the plus side for HD-DVD I guess they finally hit that "magic $99 price point".

[sek929]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Well on the plus side for HD-DVD I guess they finally hit that "magic $99 price point".

I'll pick one up as well as a Beta deck and laserdisc player.

[climber]

Originally Posted by sek929 

I'll pick one up as well as a Beta deck and laserdisc player.

I have a couple items in my stack of obsolete electronics. A Laserdisc player, Phono, VHS. I just do not have the desire to hood them up. Kind of sad, I have a nice Grado cartridge going to waste with a reasonable collection of vinyl. The few I would still listen to I could buy cheaper on CD then it would cost me for a phono preamp.

I might even wait on my Blu-ray player until high end 2nd generation player is available. I think I am going to order my rear speakers instead (B&W custom series that match my 803's). That would give me 7.1. I will also have to get another amp (probably an Anthem P2).

[Eug]

Originally Posted by climber 

What cracks me up is that HD-DVD is significantly more "obsolete" than any profile 1.0. player... using his definition of the term that is. I would not use the term on either. I would only caution those who do not know better that one has recently been discontinued and has no long term future. I would also hope they understand that is why it is selling for less than $100 rather than $400. Most times you do tend to get what you pay for.

I agree that HD DVD players are obsolete... just like Profile 1.0 BD players.

The difference here is that HD DVD players are now $99 with 7 free movies, and BD 1.0 players are $399 with no free movies. It wouldn't be so bad if those BD 1.0 players were only $149 or something, but they aren't.

Originally Posted by TETENAL 

obsolete |ˌäbsəˈlēt|
adjective
1 no longer produced or used; out of date

Wrong. Profile 1.0 players are still being produced and will be in use for a long time. They play the movie of all upcoming BluRay discs just fine. The only thing you are missing is some extras you may or may not care about.

Out of date for sure. Produced, only because of the grandfather clause. I will note again that even the BDA itself specifically states that no new BD players are allowed to use this crippled 1.0 profile. And I applaud them for that. Because of this rule, as of next year there will be no 1.0 players produced at all.

P.S. What amuses me is that some were so quick to announce the PS3's new found 1.1 support when it came out, when they spent so much time saying just how unnecessary 1.1 support is.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I agree that HD DVD players are obsolete... just like Profile 1.0 BD players.

One thing you are missing... in 6 months or less no more HD-DVD movies. THAT is called obsolete.

BR 1.0 players. Still play the old and upcoming movies just fine just might not be able to play some newer disks special features like PIP. Big whoop.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

HD DVD players become DVD upscalers in format war fallout - Engadget

[Eug]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

One thing you are missing... in 6 months or less no more HD-DVD movies. THAT is called obsolete.

Of course it is obsolete. I completely agree... and had already said so... in the very post you quoted.

BR 1.0 players. Still play the old and upcoming movies just fine just might not be able to play some newer disks special features like PIP. Big whoop.

I find it strange that some are so quick to claim that 1.1 doesn't matter when it clearly matters to the BDA itself, for good reason.

P.S. Out of those promoting BD 1.0 players, how many of you actually own one? I suspect the majority (but not all) of you own PS3s, which just happens to be the only player in existence today that we know for sure will eventually be BD 2.0 compliant, and which is already 1.1 compliant. Something doesn't jive here.

[ort888]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

HD DVD players become DVD upscalers in format war fallout - Engadget

Well, to be fair, HD DVD players are some of the best upscalers on the market.

That's why I still feel good about my $100 HD DVD player. Since I needed one anyway.

[climber]

Originally Posted by Eug 

Of course it is obsolete. I completely agree... and had already said so... in the very post you quoted.

So then you agree that the HD-Players are a vastly more obsolete. Glad we are clear on that one

Originally Posted by Eug 

I find it strange that some are so quick to claim that 1.1 doesn't matter when it clearly matters to the BDA itself, for good reason.

P.S. Out of those promoting BD 1.0 players, how many of you actually own one? I suspect the majority (but not all) of you own PS3s, which just happens to be the only player in existence today that we know for sure will eventually be BD 2.0 compliant, and which is already 1.1 compliant. Something doesn't jive here.

Just becouse you and as you claim the BDA thinks profile 1.1 is important does not mean it is important to most. Especially when they find out that it really means PIP extras. Unfortunately many of the ill-informed just hear from those like you that the current players are "obsolete". Please tell me how it would be so for someone who does not care about those features.

As far as not owning a 1.0 player, please show me any player that supports all of the audio codecs. I will buy the first one that is available regardless of profiles. Funny thing is the BDA was more concerned with matching that particular feature of HD-DVD they neglected the audio. It's the quality of the main feature that matters most.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Sorry, but what do you base your opinion off of? It's just your gut feeling? Because the HDCP requirements exist. You can look them up.

Their are only two ways Blu-Rays will ever play on OS X:
1) The current system is left unchanged and all movies will be down-scaled to SD quality.
2) The OS X kernel, which is open source, will be forked and the source will be closed. HDCP required pathways will be added and full Blu-Ray functionality will be available.

The only other option would be if the Blu-Ray consortium gets rid of the HDCP requirement, and that just isn't going to happen.

Edit - none of this precludes Apple from including Blu-Ray drives for authoring and backup purposes. This only speaks to playback of DRM'd Blu-Ray movies. But the chance of Apple including a gimped system is very slim. You can already buy external Blu-Ray drives if you want that functionality.

Like I said, I'm not an engineer. But if they can put all of f'ing YouTube in somebody's pocket, I'm pretty sure they can make Mac run BD. Yes, that's my gut, but I'd put money on you guys who are nay-saying Apple--a frickin' member of the consortium--being able to implement Blu Ray being about as dead wrong as all the guys who said HD DVD was going to win this format war.

Wait and watch it happen.

[Helmling]

Oh, and I think we should all be able to agree this is now the stupidest argument ever known to man.

And I say again, all I want to know is when I'll be able to get Bourne and Serenity on my PS3 in hi-def.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Helmling 

Like I said, I'm not an engineer. But if they can put all of f'ing YouTube in somebody's pocket, I'm pretty sure they can make Mac run BD. Yes, that's my gut, but I'd put money on you guys who are nay-saying Apple--a frickin' member of the consortium--being able to implement Blu Ray being about as dead wrong as all the guys who said HD DVD was going to win this format war.

Wait and watch it happen.

Hilarious. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The technical ability to add the playback is different from what we're talking about. We're talking about problems with the design of the OS that precludes the addition of HD playback, and the fact that it can't be added without a drastic change to Apple's software philosophy.

It's a riot that you can be so confident about something you know nothing about.

[cjrivera]

So when are all the Paramount/Universal movies coming to Bluray?
With all the sales of HD-DVD players going on and the fire sales on HD-DVDs, I'm getting this crazy idea to pick one up for the HD-DVDs that won't come out for a while on BR, and then using the HD-DVD player as an upconverter on a second TV later.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by cjrivera 

So when are all the Paramount/Universal movies coming to Bluray?
With all the sales of HD-DVD players going on and the fire sales on HD-DVDs, I'm getting this crazy idea to pick one up for the HD-DVDs that won't come out for a while on BR, and then using the HD-DVD player as an upconverter on a second TV later.

There hasn't been any kind of announcement on when previously released titles will be coming out. Rumors are that Transformers is close, but I haven't heard anything else.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Helmling 

Like I said, I'm not an engineer. But if they can put all of f'ing YouTube in somebody's pocket, I'm pretty sure they can make Mac run BD.

No, what you're missing is that it's a political issue, not an engineering issue. Yes, there is no technical reason why Apple couldn't add a secure path to the kernel for HDCP, but there are political reasons why they can't.

[TETENAL]

That's bullshit.