[Eug]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Analogue Sprinkles, Eug doesn't want a PS3, so stop baiting him about it. On the other hand, a lot of people consider them to be good value in that they are both next-gen game systems and HD movies players, and there may be other people reading the thread who might be considering one. So there's nothing wrong with bringing up articles like the one about the IR hack. Just don't mention Eug when you do it, because it always leads to the same thing.

Oh I agree. The hack is useful for many with the PS3. Indeed, it illustrates why Bluetooth alone just isn't sufficient, contrary to what aS always claims.

Furthermore, I agree the PS3 a decent value for those wanting a future proof machine AND a game machine.

However, as you may have guessed, some PS3-zealots don't seem to understand the PS3 isn't for everyone. So as long as he continues to pimp the PS3, I'll be happy to continue unpimp it.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I don't care if he wants one or not. I don't get a cut of the sales.

Eug has taken any opportunity to point out the PS3 sucks because it doesn't have IR if anyone ask him (or bait as you put it) or not.

That's bull, and you know it. Cuz I don't actually think the PS3 sucks. I just think it's inappropriate for some people, including me.

Now that the IR thing is solved I was interested in knowing what the new excuse would be. I guess stomping your feet saying "I don't wanna" will have to do

Don't try to mislead people. It's already been pointed out several times that the IR thing is NOT solved. It's a half-assed hack, nothing more. Wires and a sticker are OK for some, but definitely not for others. And if you read the forums when this was being developed, you'd know that it doesn't always work perfectly (although apparently it seems to work better now than it did initially).

Oh and I find it amusing that you're suddenly touting this when you said IR wasn't important in the first place.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

And speaking off half assed hacks.... I remember a certain someone who dropped $60 to add powerline networking to the xbox 360 which turned out to suck and had to drop another $120 for microsofts rip-off Wifi adapter

More bull.

I have never even tried powerline networking. I paid $20 for wireless solution that didn't require a wireless router. It's wireless RF. It worked fine for gaming, but I found it slow for game demo downloads, so when the WiFi adapter went on sale, I bought one. However, I still use the $20 wireless solution... initially for one of my computers and now for my Toshiba HD DVD player.

I agree though that some might call it half-assed, cuz it only has say 1 Mbps speeds. So, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to people... unlike how you are recommending the half-assed IR adapter for the PS3.

[Dakar the Fourth]

The newer PS2 had built-in IR. My 360 has built-in IR. Hopefully the PS3 will get it one day as well.

[climber]

Originally Posted by aristotles 

Big deal. It still supports the DTS core track at 1.5 MBits/sec.

Sorry, but the DTS core is not the same quality. It is the compressed version of the audio track versus the unaltered (non-compressed) original track. I will take the higher quality version thank you.

I suppose you must be connecting your PS3 directly to the display and using the built in speakers, or your home theater is inexpensive. Then the hi-def audio codecs would be nothing more than another "buzzword". My home theater setup is better than that.

For the last couple of months the Blu-Ray crowd has been suggesting that the best player they had was the PS3. I think in many ways that was correct. But in my opinion that is also the biggest disadvantage to the format. Some have stated they are waiting for cheap profile 2 players. Perhaps that is the key to widespread market adoption, but that is not what prevents me from buying. I could care less about the profiles, I only care about audio and video quality. I want a higher end player that I can incorporate into my home theater setup. Currently no blu-ray player supports decoding all of the audio codecs. (some will bitsteam, but that will not work with my particular preamp). Fortunately that will change this month with the new Denon 3800; and while that player is very expensive ($2,000), the new units from Panasonic, Sony, and Samsung will also have these features for a lot less money.

Now I suppose some may criticize my decision to spend over four times more money on a Denon unit instead of a the mighty PS3. But I do not need or want any of the "features" offered by the PS3. I will not play games on this setup. I have a place for that in a separate room. I also prefer to have a component with a brushed aluminum faceplate instead of shinny plastic. I have had excellent results with my Denon DVD player and it was worth the extra money. Even though it is old and not progressive scan, The output through my Anthem preamp gives me a better DVD picture than any upscaling player.

[Eug]

Meaningless anecdote:

A few friends visiting asked me what Blu-ray player to get. Ironically, I told one to get the PS3, cuz he's a gamer and doesn't have a console yet. However, another had little interest in the PS3, and asked about the various standalones. I told him about the Profiles, and he immediately said he ain't buying any of the 1.0 players.

I then asked him if he actually would use the extras. He said only sometimes, but there's no way he'd pay for a 1.0 player at this point.

Obviously a few friends' preferences don't mean much in the greater scheme of things, but the claims by some here that the Profiles simply don't matter is just plain wrong.

In my case, I'm OK with getting 1.5 Mbps audio, as long as it is good quality. However, others might not be satisfied with that, and there's nothing wrong with that.

ie. IR support matters.
Profiles matter.
Lossless sound matters.
Lossless sound over HDMI matters.
Etc.

They may not matter to everyone, but they do matter. The PS3 for example is a fine machine, but it certainly ain't for everyone, especially at its price point.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Why Blu-ray will be the next DVD - Engadget HD

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Why Blu-ray will be the next DVD - Engadget HD

From the article - "The majority of our readers that said they owned HD DVD or Blu-ray, siad they were still using Toslink." Sounds more like Sony and Philips need to come up with a new optical standard other than Toslink. ADAT Lightpipe uses the same connectors and cables and can send 8 uncompressed audio channels. I wonder why no one worked on getting the same functionality out of home theater equipment...

[Eug]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

From the article - "The majority of our readers that said they owned HD DVD or Blu-ray, siad they were still using Toslink." Sounds more like Sony and Philips need to come up with a new optical standard other than Toslink. ADAT Lightpipe uses the same connectors and cables and can send 8 uncompressed audio channels. I wonder why no one worked on getting the same functionality out of home theater equipment...

HDMI.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I still use TOS also as I need a damn amp that supports HDMI. Sucks having to drop another grand for that when my current system kicks ass minus the HDMI.

This is another reason very few people will use the better audio formats.

[Eug]

I was commenting to jokell82 that they don't need to reinvent the wheel. A new Toslink standard would require new receivers anyway, so if people are going to upgrade, they may as well use HDMI (which reduced cable mess too).

P.S. I wonder if wireless HDMI will ever work well enough for the mainstream (including price-wise).

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I was commenting to jokell82 that they don't need to reinvent the wheel. A new Toslink standard would require new receivers anyway, so if people are going to upgrade, they may as well use HDMI (which reduced cable mess too).

P.S. I wonder if wireless HDMI will ever work well enough for the mainstream (including price-wise).

Ya I know but either way it leaves consumers in a shitty situation. Even now only the higher end or brand new equipment even has HDMI 1.3 so one way or another we need to get new receivers with HDMI.

Even now I keep hearing that HDMI is going the way of DVI for either wireless HDMI or some totally new port.

[climber]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

I still use TOS also as I need a damn amp that supports HDMI. Sucks having to drop another grand for that when my current system kicks ass minus the HDMI.

This is another reason very few people will use the better audio formats.

You can also hook up a Blu-Ray player to your amp with analog audio outputs. At least that is the case with the upcoming players that support those codecs (although some are 5.1 instead of 7.1).

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Geez, what the heck are they doing over there? Never heard of compression?

Kojima: MGS4 too big for 50 GB Blu-ray disc - Joystiq

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Geez, what the heck are they doing over there? Never heard of compression?

Kojima: MGS4 too big for 50 GB Blu-ray disc - Joystiq

Sure, Hideo. I'm sure it's all the features and not, say, artwork, sound and video that's taking up the majority of that room.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I was commenting to jokell82 that they don't need to reinvent the wheel. A new Toslink standard would require new receivers anyway, so if people are going to upgrade, they may as well use HDMI (which reduced cable mess too).

P.S. I wonder if wireless HDMI will ever work well enough for the mainstream (including price-wise).

That's true. I was thinking more that they should've done it 10 years ago when ADAT Lightpipe came out.

[ort888]

He's just saying that to get a little buzz. It's a completely ridiculous statement.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I'm willing to bet that Sony has asked him to talk up things like this whenever possible.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Sure, Hideo. I'm sure it's all the features and not, say, artwork, sound and video that's taking up the majority of that room.

It is stupid if they actually cut the game to fit on 1 disk. I mean another disk would cost them another $2 and they could charge an extra $10 to the consumer.

But ya, I think he is just talking **** to create hype.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Sony Plans 100+ New Blu-ray Titles For 2008 | High-Def Digest


And sometimes I have to wonder if GoMac works at Toshiba:

"Well, without having the question asked, Mr. Nishida did answer in so many words that no Blu-ray player was imminent. He basically said that Toshiba would combat Blu-ray by selling upconverting DVD players that would cost less than Blu-ray players and be just as good. The exact quote: "And we're going to improve this [upconverting feature] even more, so that consumers won't be able to tell the difference from HD DVD images." That so? Well, what was the point of the war in the first place then? Jeez, Louise."

When will Toshiba put out a Blu-ray player? | Tech news blog - CNET News.com

Are they serious? Rather than just coming out with a Blu-ray player they rather convince everyone that an up-converting player will look just as good as HD-DVD? I don't know what is going through their minds.