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View Poll Results: Which do you have? (Choose only ONE. Includes stand-alones and game consoles.)
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Blu-ray/HD DVD... Who is winning? (Page 152)
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Even if they were going to have $200 players this year, they would be stupid to admit that now.

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Here's hoping the retailers pre-empt them, at least by around Boxing week.
     
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Paging Gomac.

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I'm willing to bet all the $200 players will be 1.0 players.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
I'm willing to bet all the $200 players will be 1.0 players.
Next year? Are you kidding. They will be at least 1.1.
     
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Are they still announcing players with 1.0?
     
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Originally Posted by icruise View Post
Are they still announcing players with 1.0?
No, because as of last year, Blu-ray made 1.1 mandatory for all new players. 1.0 is officially dead.
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
No, because as of last year, Blu-ray made 1.1 mandatory for all new players. 1.0 is officially dead.
They can no longer create new 1.0 models. But they can continue to produce the current 1.0 models.

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Steve on Apple TV:

Everybody's tried to make a great product for the living room. Microsoft's tried, we've tried -- everybody's tried. And everybody's failed. We failed, so far.

So there's a whole bunch of people that have tried, and every single one of them's failed, including us. And that's why I call it a hobby. It's not a business yet, it's a hobby.
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Steve on Apple TV:

Everybody's tried to make a great product for the living room. Microsoft's tried, we've tried -- everybody's tried. And everybody's failed. We failed, so far.

So there's a whole bunch of people that have tried, and every single one of them's failed, including us. And that's why I call it a hobby. It's not a business yet, it's a hobby.
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I bet GoMac is going to faint.
Why do you think he hasn't posted in a while? He's already on the floor.

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He was talking about the first iteration of the TV there, and hoping to change that with Take 2.

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Originally Posted by jokell82 View Post
He was talking about the first iteration of the TV there, and hoping to change that with Take 2.
Oh ya and so far they are doing a great job with almost no selection compaired to what they announced they would have.
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
No, because as of last year, Blu-ray made 1.1 mandatory for all new players. 1.0 is officially dead.
I have very little faith in anything "mandatory" for Blu-Ray. Yes, I think 1.0 players will be around next year. At the very most it'll be the 1.1 players that'll be at $200.
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As I predicted hybrid players are also getting the axe as the market is too small and they are too expensive to be worth it.

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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
I have very little faith in anything "mandatory" for Blu-Ray. Yes, I think 1.0 players will be around next year. At the very most it'll be the 1.1 players that'll be at $200.
1.1 is mandatory, and has been so since November of last year. If ANY new players come out now or next year, they MUST be 1.1 or better. The only way there will be 1.0 players next year is if they're still selling the exact same models that came out last summer.
     
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Ballmer confirms they are going to have blu support. That means the Xbox add on will be soon hopefully.

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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
Ballmer confirms they are going to have blu support. That means the Xbox add on will be soon hopefully.

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I wonder what they'll price it at. $99 or less would attract a lot of people (even people like me who prefer standalones), but I highly doubt it will debut at $99, unless it doesn't come out until after Xmas or something.

I suspect they could get it out before Xmas though. They've already got a lot of the code done, since it likely overlaps heavily with the HD DVD stuff. Of course, all that HDi stuff is useless for Blu-ray, but on the other hand the Blu-ray version is "just" Java, which MS is very familiar with of course.

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I think it will prob come out at $150-200 by either September or Xmas.
     
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$199.99 is too much for an add-on in 2008 IMO.
$149.99 I could see, but here's hoping for $99.99.
     
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Nice. that is the only type of managed copy I want anyway.

Guess I will need a BR drive on my mac first though if I want to get the iTunes version off the disk though.
     
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Leave it to Apple to come up with the obvious. You don't want people circumventing DRM to copy your movie? Then put a version of the movie designed to be copied and played on a computer.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Leave it to Apple to come up with the obvious. You don't want people circumventing DRM to copy your movie? Then put a version of the movie designed to be copied and played on a computer.
Well who knows who's idea it was but fox of all companies did it first with the Family Guy Star Wars special.
     
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They can no longer create new 1.0 models. But they can continue to produce the current 1.0 models.
You say that like it's a bad thing. As long as the discs main feature continue to play, offering lower profile machines at cheaper prices give consumer greater choice. I would think that many consumers would feel cheated if they had to pay extra for 2.0 hardware features while not having access broadband. There are still areas where people cannot even order broadband even if they wanted it or knew what it was.

I prediction that we will still see 1.1 profile devices long after 2.0 devices hit the market as not everyone will want the top end.
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
Actually I said it like it was a fact with no implication or opinion at all.

And as long as they clearly point out the differences I have no problems with any company selling the profiles they choose. But it's when they try and hide the fact that they are selling a 1.0 machine that it becomes a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
Nice. that is the only type of managed copy I want anyway.

Guess I will need a BR drive on my mac first though if I want to get the iTunes version off the disk though.
Not necessarily. The Family Guy thing was actually on a separate disc and not on the same disc as the movie. So it seems likely that they would just include a separate disc with the Blu-ray release to make it usable on as many computers as possible.
     
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Originally Posted by icruise View Post
Not necessarily. The Family Guy thing was actually on a separate disc and not on the same disc as the movie. So it seems likely that they would just include a separate disc with the Blu-ray release to make it usable on as many computers as possible.
Correct. This is how all the Fox Blu-ray films are released with managed copy.

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No idea why they charge $20 for the Blu-ray plugin. They do support burning of HD media to DVD to playback now on Blu-ray players.
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Yeah, some of those new features sound really cool, but that article is a little vague as to what exactly they do.

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Well who knows who's idea it was but fox of all companies did it first with the Family Guy Star Wars special.
It was Apple's idea. They've been talking about this for years, and we first heard about Apple's desire for this back in early 2006 IIRC. Then Fox finally went with it recently.
     
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ooooooooooooooooooooooooh.

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Originally Posted by jokell82 View Post
Actually I said it like it was a fact with no implication or opinion at all.

And as long as they clearly point out the differences I have no problems with any company selling the profiles they choose. But it's when they try and hide the fact that they are selling a 1.0 machine that it becomes a bad thing.
Fair enough. As long as it is communicated to the customer that discs will play but with a reduced feature set on the older/cheaper players. But this is responsibility of the retailer to do their job properly.

I'd expect the CE's and retailers to try to up sell people to the players with "bonus view" (PiP) and eventually to 2.0's online features.
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Correct. This is how all the Fox Blu-ray films are released with managed copy.

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So, can I burn my HDDVD movies onto Blu-ray in the future when Blu-ray blanks are under $4?
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Bah! They added lens flare to one of the Star Trek episodes.
Yeah, just a little lens flare. And for that I bought a "closeout" HD-DVD player. Just for that lens flare. It's the cowbell of visual effects you know.

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HD is probably winning because they have have been around longer. But don't worry, Blue ray will most likely take over soon
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Toshiba faces 986 million dollar loss on HD-DVDs

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A loss of almost a billion on sales of 700,000 standalone players globally is proof that they were selling players at a loss for most of the format war.

To expect to buy a High Def player at this early stage for under 200 while not on sale is an unrealistic expectation.
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Daaaaamn, even sony is already breaking even with PS3's and they get game AND movie royalties.
     
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Daaaaamn, even sony is already breaking even with PS3's and they get game AND movie royalties.
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