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starman · Mar 24, 2008, 10:37 AM

Anything is possible, but I don't see why Sony would bother implementing it. If you borrowed the movie, then Sony would probably feel that they'd need to charge a rental fee for the borrow. If you rented it, Sony has no way of knowing if you borrowed or rented it, and they'll probably charge you anyway.

So again, I don't see the point.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 24, 2008, 11:45 AM

Electronista | Plextor intros Blu-ray drives with HD DVD

starman · Mar 24, 2008, 11:53 AM

Anyone see a BR burner for under $250 yet? I see they're $375 now but I think somewhere between $199 and $249 is my magic number.

goMac · Mar 24, 2008, 12:11 PM

The real reason Microsoft won't bring Blu-ray to the Xbox: HDi | The Industry Standard

exca1ibur · Mar 24, 2008, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Anyone see a BR burner for under $250 yet? I see they're $375 now but I think somewhere between $199 and $249 is my magic number.

This is the cheapest I can find so far. $334. It also is an HD-DVD ROM.

LG GGW-H20L Super Multi Blue Blu-Ray Rewriter/HD DVD-ROM Drive

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 24, 2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

The real reason Microsoft won't bring Blu-ray to the Xbox: HDi | The Industry Standard

So what. Their loss. BR will do just fine without the Xbox.

mrtew · Mar 24, 2008, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Anything is possible, but I don't see why Sony would bother implementing it. If you borrowed the movie, then Sony would probably feel that they'd need to charge a rental fee for the borrow. If you rented it, Sony has no way of knowing if you borrowed or rented it, and they'll probably charge you anyway.

So again, I don't see the point.

I don't know where you're getting this stuff about Sony charging me for anything and I don't know why you can't see the point of an easy new feature that is free and benefits everyone but please don't post that you don't see the point again without at least thinking about it and explaining what you mean. I don't see the point of that. I explained in great detail how it helps me and Sony and Blockbuster. Are you a HD-DVD fanboy or something? :-]

starman · Mar 24, 2008, 02:49 PM

How does it help Sony and Blockbuster? If your friend paid for a movie, and you take it and copy it, how does that help Sony and BB? Sony loses a sale because you didn't pay to see the movie, and BB doesn't make money because you didn't rent it from their store. You essentially stole a copy to watch.

Your exact words:

Is it possible or will it be possible to copy Blu-ray films onto the PS3 itself? So you can rent or borrow a movie and then watch it a few weeks later after you've taken it back?

The "borrow" part is what I have the biggest problem with. Sony gains NOTHING from letting you borrow a friend's disc and copying it to the hard drive. Please explain how this helps Sony.

Rentals have been based on the amount of time given to watch a movie since rental stores opened in the early 80's. That's not going to change and offers nothing to BB because they make their money on re-renting it if a movie isn't watched in the given time.

Get it now?

analogue SPRINKLES · 03:04 PM

No fighting.

Sony: PSP Portable Copy Not Coming with 2.2

Eug · Mar 24, 2008, 03:29 PM

It seems rather pointless to rent a Blu-ray movie so you can get the PSP version.

If you're gonna do that, you may as well rent the DVD instead and rip it.

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

No fighting.

Sony: PSP Portable Copy Not Coming with 2.2

Heh.

mrtew · Mar 24, 2008, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by starman

How does it help Sony and Blockbuster? If your friend paid for a movie, and you take it and copy it, how does that help Sony and BB? Sony loses a sale because you didn't pay to see the movie, and BB doesn't make money because you didn't rent it from their store. You essentially stole a copy to watch. The "borrow" part is what I have the biggest problem with. Sony gains NOTHING from letting you borrow a friend's disc and copying it to the hard drive. Please explain how this helps Sony.

It helps Sony because they sell more PS3s. It's a great new free feature that makes their product more attractive. It helps Blockbuster because it makes people more likely to rent videos. I was there today and saw three Blu-rays that I kinda wanted to see but since the long weekend is now over I don't know when I'll get a chance to watch them. If I had that feature I might have gotten one or all of them and loaded them onto my PS3 for later. Since I don't I didn't get them and who knows if I ever will go back and rent them or not. I lost. Blockbuster lost. And Sony lost a few sales from people that would have bought the PS3 if it did have the feature. Also I can borrow Blu-rays from my friends and watch them already so is it really going to cost more sales if I can keep it on my hard drive for a little while? Or does it just increase the sales because the movies are more useful now? I'm more likely to buy movies if they are less restricted. Does that make any sense or do you just want to argue that wonderful free new features that benefit everyone are pointless.

Originally Posted by starman

Rentals have been based on the amount of time given to watch a movie since rental stores opened in the early 80's. That's not going to change and offers nothing to BB because they make their money on re-renting it if a movie isn't watched in the given time.

It's already changed. Blockbuster used to charge your azz double if you kept a video for an extra day and now they have no late fees even if you keep if a week or two. They agree with what I'm saying. People would like a little freedom as to when to watch a movie and giving it to them will help sales. You haven't been to blockbuster recently, they are much better now. They even volunteer that you have an extra week before they charge you a re-stocking fee now.

jokell82 · Mar 24, 2008, 04:55 PM

mrtew that doesn't make much sense. Essentially what you're saying is you'd like to temporarily pirate a movie and you hope Sony and Blockbuster would just be cool about it, because you're just going to delete it later.

starman · Mar 24, 2008, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

mrtew that doesn't make much sense. Essentially what you're saying is you'd like to temporarily pirate a movie and you hope Sony and Blockbuster would just be cool about it, because you're just going to delete it later.

That's a different way of looking at it, but kinda true.

olePigeon · Mar 24, 2008, 06:03 PM

I like that the encryption has been cracked. When I start buying a few HD movies, I want to be able to rip them to my media center so I can watch them with my other movies. I don't want to have to buy a new one if someone steps on the DVD and breaks it, or if it becomes really scratch and unplayable. I like future-proofing my investments.

Besides, I can't imagine a 500-disc carousel Blu-Ray player would be cheaper than a couple terabyte hard drives. It's also be a lot slower than iTunes (and no cover artwork.)

mrtew · Mar 24, 2008, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

mrtew that doesn't make much sense. Essentially what you're saying is you'd like to temporarily pirate a movie and you hope Sony and Blockbuster would just be cool about it, because you're just going to delete it later.

Arguing about what pirating is and isn't can go on forever, but if I rent a movie and don't watch it till after I take it back is that really pirating? Or if I watch it 7 times during the two weeks I've rented it and then another time after I've returned it? If I borrow a movie from someone for a week is that pirating? If I borrow it from them overnight and then watch it a week later, then it is? You guys are planning on illegally ripping 500 movies to your terabyte drives! And the feature I think Sony should add to the PS3 makes me the pirate!!!

jokell82 · Mar 24, 2008, 09:48 PM