[exca1ibur]

Sorry for the long post. This is a list of 'some' of the exclusives for the next year. Starting from Fall... The red are the exclusives for each. If you look at this list, this shows what I mean about content. Now when the players get to the same price which do you think a consumer is going to go for?
Also Sony said they would 'SHIP' 6 Million PS3s by March 2007.
Sony: 6 million PS3s by March of 2007 | PS3 News | GamePro.com

They came up short, no question. But that wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be. They shipped 5.5 Million.
PlayStation 3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


HD-DVD - 21 Exclusives over the next year
2001: A Space Odyssey (Warner)
Above the Law (Warner)
Amadeus (Warner)
American Pie (Universal)
American Pie (Unrated) (Universal)
American Pie Presents: A Naked Mile (Universal)
Angels in America (HBO)
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (New Line)
The Aviator (Universal)
Awake (Weinstein)
Band of Brothers (HBO)
Battlestar Galactica: The Complete First Season (Universal)
Bikini Destinations (Magnolia)
The Black Dahlia (Universal)
Blade (New Line)
Blade Runner (Warner)
The Blues Brothers (Universal)
Braveheart (Paramount)
Breaking and Entering (Weinstein)
Bubble (Magnolia)
Catwoman (Warner)
A Clockwork Orange (Warner)
Coach Carter (Paramount)
Conan the Barbarian (Universal)
Contact (Warner)
Dark City (New Line)
Dawn of the Dead (2003) (Universal)
Deadwood: Season One (HBO)
Decameron (Weinstein)
Deliver Us from Eva (Universal)
The Dirty Harry Collection (Warner)
Dr. Seuss' The Cat in the Hat (2003) (Universal)
Dragon's Lair (Digital Leisure)
Elizabethtown (Warner)
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room (Magnolia)
Eraser (Warner)
Executive Decision (Warner)
Eyes Wide Shut (Warner)
Final Destination (New Line)
Forrest Gump (Paramount)
Friday (New Line)
From the Earth to the Moon (HBO)
Gothika (Warner)
Grease (Paramount)
The Green Mile (Warner)
Grind House (Weinstein)
Hard to Kill (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Warner)
Hot Fuzz (Universal)
Idlewild (Universal)
Inside Man (Universal)
Killshot (Weinstein)
Last Legion (Weinstein)
The Lemon Drop Kid (Universal)
The Libertine (Weinstein)
The Maltese Falcon (Warner)
The Mask (New Line)
Maverick (Warner)
Mrs. Henderson Presents (Weinstein)
The Music Man (Warner)
Mystic River (Warner)
Next of Kin (Warner)
North by Northwest (Warner)
Ocean's Eleven (Warner)
Ocean's Twelve (Warner)
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Warner)
One Last Thing (Magnolia)
Passenger 57 (Warner)
The Player (New Line)
Pride & Prejudice (Universal)
Psycho (1960) (Universal)
Red Planet (Warner)
The Return (Universal)
Rush Hour (New Line)
Saturday Night Fever (Paramount)
Save the Last Dance (Paramount)
Scarface (1983) (Universal)
School of Rock (Paramount)
Scoop (Universal)
Se7en (New Line)
Shaun of the Dead (Universal)
The Shining (1980) (Warner)
Shuttle Discovery's Historic Mission (Magnolia)
Sin City 2 (Weinstein)
Soldier (Weinstein)
Son of Paleface (Paramount)
Spawn (New Line)
Spongebob Squarepants: The Movie (Paramount)
Star Trek: First Contact (Paramount)
Star Trek: The Original Series (Paramount)
TransAmerica (Weinstein)
Twister (Weinstein)
U.S. Marshals (Warner)
The Ultimate Star Trek Collection (Paramount)
Vanilla Sky (Paramount)
Vengeance of the Zombies (BCI)
The War Within (Magnolia)
Wild Wild West (Warner)
Young Hannibal (Weinstein)

Blu ray 48 Exclusive Titles over the next year (Not including the 12-15 Fox titles on hold)
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2001: A Space Odyssey (Warner)
Above the Law (Warner)
Aladdin (Buena Vista)
Amadeus (Warner)
Angels in America (HBO)
Armageddon (Buena Vista)
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery (New Line)
Bad Boys (Sony)
Band of Brothers (HBO)
Batman Begins (Warner)
Battle of Britain (MGM)
Beauty and the Beast (Buena Vista)
Belly (Lionsgate)
Blade (New Line)
Blade Runner (Warner)
Bram Stoker's Dracula (Sony)
Braveheart (Paramount)
The Bridge on the River Kwai (Sony)
A Bridge Too Far (MGM)
Bull Durham (MGM)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (Fox)
Cabin Fever (Buena Vista)
Catwoman (Warner)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (Warner)
Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle (Sony)
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe (Disney)
A Clockwork Orange (Warner)
Coach Carter (Paramount)
The Complete Matrix Trilogy (Warner)
Constantine (Warner)
Contact (Warner)
Dark City (New Line)
The Dead Zone: The Complete First Season (Lionsgate)
Deadwood: Season One (HBO)
Desperado (Sony)
The Dirty Harry Collection (Warner)
Dukes of Hazzard (Warner)
Edward Scissorhands (Fox)
Elizabethtown (Paramount)
Eraser (Warner)
Executive Decision (Warner)
Eyes Wide Shut (Warner)
Father of the Bride (1991) (Buena Vista)
A Few Good Men (Sony)
Final Destination (New Line)
Finding Nemo (Buena Vista)
A Fistful of Dollars (MGM)
For a Few Dollars More (Sony)
Forbidden Planet (Warner)
Forrest Gump (Paramount)
Frank Herbert's Dune (Lionsgate)
Friday (New Line)
From the Earth to the Moon (HBO)
Gothika (Warner)
The Graduate (MGM)
Grand Prix (Warner)
Grease (Paramount)
The Green Mile (Warner)
The Guns of Navarone (Sony)
Hard to Kill (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Warner)
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Warner)
Herbie: Fully Loaded (Buena Vista)
Hostel (Sony)
House of a 1,000 Corpses (Lionsgate)
I, Robot (Fox)
Independence Day (Fox)
Jerry Maguire (Sony)
Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (Buena Vista)
Kill Bill: Vol. 2 (Buena Vista)
The Lion King (Buena Vista)
The Maltese Falcon (Warner)
Man on Fire (Fox)
The Mask (New Line)
Master & Commander (Fox)
Maverick (Warner)
Monster's Ball (Lionsgate)
The Music Man (Warner)
Mutiny on the Bounty (Warner)
Mystic River (Warner)
National Lampoon's Van Wilder (Lionsgate)
National Treasure (Buena Vista)
Next of Kin (Warner)
North by Northwest (Warner)
Ocean's Eleven (Warner)
Ocean's Twelve (Warner)
Once Upon a Time in Mexico (Sony)
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Warner)
Open Range (Buena Vista)
Out of Time (MGM)
Passenger 57 (Warner)
The Perfect Storm (Warner)
Pi (Lionsgate)
Platoon (MGM)
The Player (New Line)
The Polar Express (Warner)
Poseidon (Warner)
Predator (Fox)
The Recruit (Buena Vista)
Red Planet (Warner)
Remember the Titans (Buena Vista)
Requiem for a Dream (Lionsgate)
Ronin (MGM)
Rush Hour (New Line)
Saturday Night Fever (Paramount)
Save the Last Dance (Paramount)
School of Rock (Paramount)
Se7en (New Line)
See No Evil (Lionsgate)
The Shining (1980) (Warner)
The Siege (Fox)
Sin City (Buena Vista)
Snow Dogs (Buena Vista)
Soldier (Warner)
The Sopranos: Season One (HBO)
Spawn (New Line)
Spider-Man (Sony)
Spongebob Squarepants: The Movie (Paramount)
Star Trek: First Contact (Paramount)
Star Trek: The Original Series (Paramount)
Stargate: Atlantis - Season One (Sony)
Superman: Ultimate Collector's Edition (Warner)
To Live and Die in L.A. (MGM)
Troy (Warner)
Twister (Warner)
U.S. Marshals (Warner)
The Ultimate Matrix Collection (Warner)
Vanilla Sky (Paramount)
Walking Tall (2004) (MGM)
Wild Wild West (Warner)


I still don't understand why there is a need to exclude the PS3 numbers with the Blu ray players. I device that can play a Blu ray movie is as just a potential customer as anyone else. They didn't just sell this huge amount of discs only to the stand alone players. Thats like trying to split up HP, Dell, Gateway from the Windows market. They all run windows so whats the difference?

[Kenneth]

By looking at the list, I still believe that I'm in the right boat, which is blu-ray. No doubt about it, Universal holds a lot of popular titles, but in general I'm not interested and not gonna pay for.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by icruise 

What's so strange about it? If you see no hope of your side winning (at least not for a long time), why support it? This isn't politics, where you might choose a losing side just to make a point.

Because f*ck Sony, that's why.

I'd much rather see HD-DVD win, because it's not just a format of one particular company who stands to make it rich off of licensing. Plus I'm much more interested in upcoming HD-DVD content than I am with anything BluRay has coming out.

[jokell82]

BTW, in those lists the HBO releases are listed as exclusive to BluRay, but they're also in the HD-DVD list. What gives?

[starman]

Why is Star Trek: First Contact listed as a Sony title?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Because f*ck Sony, that's why.

I'd much rather see HD-DVD win, because it's not just a format of one particular company who stands to make it rich off of licensing. Plus I'm much more interested in upcoming HD-DVD content than I am with anything BluRay has coming out.

Microsoft is the lesser of 2 evils? What the hell did sony ever do to you or are you just being fashionable by following the sony hate train?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Kill bill's and Sin city on BR only? That just assured me that I made the right choice with BR!

Than again HD does have Dr. Seuss

[exca1ibur]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

BTW, in those lists the HBO releases are listed as exclusive to BluRay, but they're also in the HD-DVD list. What gives?

You are right. Edited

Originally Posted by starman 

Why is Star Trek: First Contact listed as a Sony title?

You are right as well. Edited. I'll let them know about that one.

[Eug]

Out of the exclusives, I want:
Battlestar Galactica (Universal)
Hot Fuzz (Universal)
Shaun of the Dead (Universal)
The Bridge On the River Kwai (Sony)

Out of the non-exclusives, I want:
2001: A Space Odyssey (Warner)
Blade Runner (Warner)
Grind House (Weinstein)
Star Trek: The Original Series (Paramount)
* Grease (Paramount)
* Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Warner)
* Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (Warner)
* Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (Warner)
* Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Warner)

* - Well, I don't really want these, but my GF does.

These are excluding titles I've already purchased. I also might pick up a few more non-exclusives later on.

I still don't understand why there is a need to exclude the PS3 numbers with the Blu ray players. I device that can play a Blu ray movie is as just a potential customer as anyone else. They didn't just sell this huge amount of discs only to the stand alone players. Thats like trying to split up HP, Dell, Gateway from the Windows market. They all run windows so whats the difference?

The reason many people consider the PS3 separately is because disc sales numbers have illustrated that it takes around 4-5 PS3s to equal one standalone (or Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on).

So, yes, the PS3 is very important early on in the war, but 3 million PS3s are probably equivalent to about 600000-750000 standalones in terms of movie software sales.

P.S. That Universal title "Idlewind" is actually "Idlewild".

[exca1ibur]

Originally Posted by Eug 

The reason many people consider the PS3 separately is because disc sales numbers have illustrated that it takes around 4-5 PS3s to equal one standalone (or Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on).

So, yes, the PS3 is very important early on in the war, but 3 million PS3s are probably equivalent to about 600000-750000 standalones in terms of movie software sales.

This still doesn't make sense to me. I don't see a need to split up Blu ray markets in two. I'd think total sales is what needs to be looked at. Why should is matter who you sell your stuff too, as long as its selling?

If you sell 100,000 movies and only 20,000 are from standalone? What difference should it make, you have sold 100,000. Why shouldn't total sales be the only factor here?

P.S. That Universal title "Idlewind" is actually "Idlewild".

Good catch. I'll let them know about that one too. Fixed.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Microsoft is the lesser of 2 evils? What the hell did sony ever do to you or are you just being fashionable by following the sony hate train?

Microsoft has their hands in both formats. You can't avoid Microsoft by picking Bluray over HD-DVD.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by exca1ibur 

If you sell 100,000 movies and only 20,000 are from standalone? What difference should it make, you have sold 100,000. Why shouldn't total sales be the only factor here?

It makes it easier to make projections.

The big movie disc sales growth in the coming years will be because of standalone sales.

Even if Sony were to sell another 3 million PS3s by the end of 2007, then that would be equivalent to say 700000 more standalone Blu-ray players.

So, total standalone equivalents for the PS3 would be 1.4 million by the end of 2007. Add in another 600000 Blu-ray standalones, and that's 2 million standalone Blu-ray players worldwide. Let's be generous and add another 50% to that to bring it to 3 million Blu-ray standalone equivalencies by the end of 2007.

Toshiba OTOH is predicting 1.8 million HD DVD players in North America alone in 2007, and 4-5 million HD DVD players worldwide for fiscal 2007 (which includes Q1 2008). That's on top of sales from 2006. That seems rather optimistic, but nonetheless those are the numbers being thrown around. Let's temper that a bit and bring the number down to 3 million sold by the end of 2007.

Catch my drift?

Hence, continued stalemate, as I've been arguing all along.

P.S. This is the projected disc title release numbers for 2007 from the HD DVD side:

US Studios
175+ shipping today in US
300+ announced for 2007

Studios include: Paramount., WB, Universal, HBOVideo,
HDNet, CustomFlix, Hi Def Entertainment, TFLM Elsevier,
Magnolia, DVD International, Weinstein Co., Image
Entertainment, Rhino, Eagle Rock Ent., Discovery

Japan
50+ Titles available in Japan
100+ announced for 2007

Studios include: NHK, Bandai Visual, BSi, Digital Site,
GDH, Happinet Pictures, Pony Canyon, Shochiku,
Shogakukan, Toshiba Entertainment, Video Arts Music,
+ {Warner, Paramount, Universal}

Europe
75+ titles available in EU
140+ announced for 2007

Studios include: Studio Canal, Eagle Vision, DVD
International, ILC, LCG, FTD, EMS, Imagion, Nixbu,
Cameo, Pathe, Dea Planeta, Filmax + {Warner,
Paramount, Universal}

That makes it 300 HD DVDs already available, plus another several hundred yet to come.

[icruise]

The Blu-ray exclusives I'm interested in are (red ones are ones I will definitely buy):

• Aladdin
• Beauty & The Beast
• Edward Scissorhands
• Father of the Bride
• Finding Nemo
• I, Robot (well, maybe)
• Kill Bill: Vol. 1
• Kill Bill: Vol. 2
• The Lion King
• Sin City
• Spider-Man
• Master & Commander

The HD-DVD exclusive titles I'm interested in are:

• Conan the Barbarian

That's it. I wonder which side I should be supporting...?

I don't think I'm going to be buying Star Trek: The Original Series again after buying it first on those lame 2-episode DVDs and then in the seasons sets (luckily I was able to sell the individual DVDs just before the season sets came out, so I didn't really lose anything).

Originally Posted by goMac 

Microsoft has their hands in both formats. You can't avoid Microsoft by picking Bluray over HD-DVD.

Are you seriously arguing that Microsoft is equally invested in BR and HD-DVD? In any case, I personally don't think that it makes much sense to choose a format based on dislike of a particular company (either Sony or MS).

[icruise]

Originally Posted by Eug 

That makes it 300 HD DVDs already available, plus another several hundred yet to come.

Surely there is a lot of overlap between the titles available in the various regions, isn't there?

[Eug]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Surely there is a lot of overlap between the titles available in the various regions, isn't there?

Some I presume, but it should also be noted that several Blu-ray exclusives will be released on HD DVD in Europe as well. This is significant, since there is no region coding on HD DVD.

So, for example, Terminator 2 is a Blu-ray exclusive in North America, but Terminator 2 on HD DVD from Europe will work on North American players.

I already see European HD DVD imports at my local HMV store. The main problem is price on these import HD DVDs, since they cost more obviously.

Import Blu-ray discs don't exist at that store at all though, because of region coding.