[Kerrigan]

HDDVD was too awkward to say anyways, glad it lost the format war.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Lets just admit no matter what the pro BR news even if they are at 90% sales over HD you will just discredit it one way or another.

So don't bother. we get it.

First, his numbers are a bit slanted, as to be expected. Right now we're around 60/40, with Bluray leading. Second, even if he was right and Bluray was outselling HD-DVD 2:1, that's still not enough to lead to the death of HD-DVD.

Honestly, this whole thing is a bit silly. The platform war is confined to the pro-sumer right now. Consumers just aren't buying either format. By the time that either format starts making strides with the normal consumer, online downloads will be available. Who cares about who Blockbuster chooses? They're a dying breed, and online downloads will do them in.

This is another reason I like the XBox 360. Microsoft gets it. You can get the HD-DVD player if you want, but without any special drive you can download 1080p movies and watch them on your 360. And why should I care if Disney isn't on Bluray? It won't be long before Apple is offering Finding Nemo in 720p at least on iTunes. Can you even get that on Bluray?

Online downloads are the one format that all titles will be available in. I think that alone will be enough to make the online format more attractive to the average consumer than HD-DVD or Bluray.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

BD+ has been finalized - avalanche of Fox Blu-ray movies expected to follow - PS3 Fanboy

The good news continues to roll-in for Blu-ray, with the announcement that the advanced copy-protection system, BD+ has been finalized and is available for implementation by the movie studios. While normally additional DRM is not a good thing, the delay in the finalization of BD+ is what caused Fox and Disney to massively slow down their Blu-ray release schedule. So BD+ going live means that there is a very good chance that we'll see a huge amount of Fox and Disney titles come out in the next couple months.

Interestingly, Blu-ray.com has said that "other studios, including those who currently don't support Blu-ray, have shown some interest as well" in BD+, hinting that additional studios may be coming onboard the Blu-ray train. No specifics were given, but you have to wonder how much longer Universal is going to hold out. After this week, HD-DVD is going to have to pull off one hell of a Hail Mary to win.

[pooka]

YAY! Additional DRM == Consumers WIN! YAY!

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by pooka 

YAY! Additional DRM == Consumers WIN! YAY!

You want to break the law?

At any rate.... yes we do as more titles will come out now for it. not to mention BR still will have managed copying.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Honestly, this whole thing is a bit silly. The platform war is confined to the pro-sumer right now. Consumers just aren't buying either format. By the time that either format starts making strides with the normal consumer, online downloads will be available. Who cares about who Blockbuster chooses? They're a dying breed, and online downloads will do them in.

So now you're saying that both formats are irrelevant because of downloads, eh? No sour grapes here.

Originally Posted by goMac 

This is another reason I like the XBox 360. Microsoft gets it. You can get the HD-DVD player if you want, but without any special drive you can download 1080p movies and watch them on your 360.

Downloadable movies from XBL are only 720p. So while they are in HD, they can't really compare to either HD-DVD or Blu-ray in audio or video quality. And while I have a 360, I don't have any interest in filling up my 20GB hard disk with a handful of movies that will only be viewable on the 360.

And why should I care if Disney isn't on Bluray? It won't be long before Apple is offering Finding Nemo in 720p at least on iTunes. Can you even get that on Bluray?

Nemo is coming later in the year, according to the post that excalibur made a while ago, as is Cars and some other Disney titles.

Online downloads are the one format that all titles will be available in. I think that alone will be enough to make the online format more attractive to the average consumer than HD-DVD or Bluray.

I couldn't disagree more, at least for the foreseeable future. Downloads are inferior in quality, require more work to play and store, and are tied to a particular download service AND a particular user account, which is infinitely worse than either of the physical HD formats.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by icruise 

So now you're saying that both formats are irrelevant because of downloads, eh? No sour grapes here.

C'mon. As a Mac user you should see this. Apple is one of the biggest suppliers of media online in the world. I think another reason for both Bluray and HD-DVD not being seen on the Mac yet is both formats compete with the iTunes Movie Store, especially if the iTunes movie store goes HD.

So really, if you want to be a "good Mac user", you should be rooting against both formats.

Originally Posted by icruise 

Downloadable movies from XBL are only 720p. So while they are in HD, they can't really compare to either HD-DVD or Blu-ray in audio or video quality. And while I have a 360, I don't have any interest in filling up my 20GB hard disk with a handful of movies that will only be viewable on the 360.

You're right, they're only 720p. I think streaming is the way things will go, meaning hd size will be irrelevant.

Originally Posted by icruise 

Nemo is coming later in the year, according to the post that excalibur made a while ago, as is Cars and some other Disney titles.

But Apple may be able to beat the Bluray to market with their own HD version on iTunes.

Originally Posted by icruise 

I couldn't disagree more, at least for the foreseeable future. Downloads are inferior in quality, require more work to play and store, and are tied to a particular download service AND a particular user account, which is infinitely worse than either of the physical HD formats.

Inferior quality for whom? Most average consumers don't have 5.1 audio, and the ones that do have HD are on 720p. Almost no consumers have plasmas that are 1080p, and honestly, I think consumers are buying more cheap 720p LCD's then 1080p LCD's. I don't disagree that both formats will stick around for the prosumer, but we're probably only a few years away from internet connections being able to stream 1080p video reliably. 5.1 audio is the only sticking point, but again, the average consumer is not going to care about that.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by goMac 

You're right, they're only 720p. I think streaming is the way things will go, meaning hd size will be irrelevant..

Oh ya that would be wonderful, you need a fast net connection every-time you want to watch a movie and get hickups and compression artifacts all the time.

I'll take BR thanks.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Oh ya that would be wonderful, you need a fast net connection every-time you want to watch a movie and get hickups and compression artifacts all the time.

I'll take BR thanks.

Really? Huh. That's odd. I'm watching the Wall-e trailer on Apple's web site in 720p while it downloads, and I'm not hitting the end of the buffer or having any quality issues. It's just downloading while I play it.

What are you on over there? 56k?

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

BD+ has been finalized - avalanche of Fox Blu-ray movies expected to follow - PS3 Fanboy

The good news continues to roll-in for Blu-ray, with the announcement that the advanced copy-protection system, BD+ has been finalized and is available for implementation by the movie studios. While normally additional DRM is not a good thing, the delay in the finalization of BD+ is what caused Fox and Disney to massively slow down their Blu-ray release schedule. So BD+ going live means that there is a very good chance that we'll see a huge amount of Fox and Disney titles come out in the next couple months.

Interestingly, Blu-ray.com has said that "other studios, including those who currently don't support Blu-ray, have shown some interest as well" in BD+, hinting that additional studios may be coming onboard the Blu-ray train. No specifics were given, but you have to wonder how much longer Universal is going to hold out. After this week, HD-DVD is going to have to pull off one hell of a Hail Mary to win.

Already posted on the last page, and there is no proof that either company was waiting for BD+. But enjoy your new DRM.

Oh wait, I forgot, this screws over people who already bought Blu-Ray players, because guess what - the movies released with BD+ wont play on their players.

Man Blu-Ray is kickass!

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Here's my gauge. If I bought a top of the line DVD upscaler (which is what my friend was using his PS3 for), say the Oppo, do you think it's fans would come on if it was inside a home theatre cabinet and drown out the movie?

So would you still have it out for the PS3 if it didn't run that hot?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

So would you still have it out for the PS3 if it didn't run that hot?

Depends. If making it less hot meant scaling back the Cell chip which in turn would make the machine cheaper, I probably wouldn't have it out as much for the PS3.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Depends. If making it less hot meant scaling back the Cell chip which in turn would make the machine cheaper, I probably wouldn't have it out as much for the PS3.

Here's my point. The original post complains about too much processing power and
electricity usage, but just seems like nitpicking when if it ran cooler your only real legit complain would be solved.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Already posted on the last page, and there is no proof that either company was waiting for BD+. But enjoy your new DRM.

Oh wait, I forgot, this screws over people who already bought Blu-Ray players, because guess what - the movies released with BD+ wont play on their players.

Man Blu-Ray is kickass!

it is called ROM updates.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

Here's my point. The original post complains about too much processing power and
electricity usage, but just seems like nitpicking when if it ran cooler your only real legit complain would be solved.

But that's how you make things run cooler. You reduce the electrical usage. That's why smaller chips run cooler usually. They actually use less power.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

it is called ROM updates.

How many Bluray players have internet connectivity?

I think Sony's plan is just to screw everyone who doesn't have a PS3.

[starman]

Originally Posted by goMac 

How many Bluray players have internet connectivity?

I think Sony's plan is just to screw everyone who doesn't have a PS3.

I know that there are players that can be updated wit