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Blu-ray/HD DVD... Who is winning? (Page 51)
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Originally Posted by ort888 
But...but...but...Blu-Ray has DRM which is better for studios, right? Right???
Fantastic news! 
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Originally Posted by jokell82
But...but...but...Blu-Ray has DRM which is better for studios, right? Right???
Don't worry. It will all balance out when Universal finally decides to go Bluray. 
Yep. Annnyyyy day now....
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Originally Posted by goMac
Don't worry. It will all balance out when Universal finally decides to go Bluray.
Yep. Annnyyyy day now....
You guys fail to see the politics going on here and how the consumer is being hoodwinked.
Sony and its affiliated production companies and friendly studios have no choice but to offer discs in Blu-ray format (because it is Sony's) and also HD-DVD to those who have the latter format's players.
Then there are studios that compete against the above mentioned companies. Universal, Paramount and Dreamworks (famously anti-Disney, see their origins) have chosen HD-DVD because they don't want to side with Sony or Disney. That's the political part. When Blu-ray continues to win, because it will always have more PS3s and Blu-ray players collectively sold than HD-DVD players and more money and power backing it; Universial, Paramount and Dreamworks will accede defeat, drop HD-DVD and offer their library in Blu-ray. That means many who bought HD-DVD will eventually throw their discs away and rebuy the same movies again in Blu-ray format. That's two sales for one movie! That's how cheeky the suits are.
If you think for a moment that that hasn't crossed their minds think again. There are literally scores of movies available on DVD that have been rereleased several times with more extras or longer play time or with "new" interviews or labelled "uncut" or "definitive edition" or "remastered". All could have been done in the first place but were rereleased a little better each time to make the most amount of money. Star Wars and Blade Runner fans in particular were the biggest mugs in this game.
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Ah. So now Super Mario is arguing that less titles is better. I remember when the Bluray camp used to argue that it was the number of titles that would make a format successful.
All I know is there are going to be a lot of disappointed PS3 owners when they go to pick up Transformers on Bluray so they can show off their HD setup to their friends...
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Originally Posted by jokell82
But...but...but...Blu-Ray has DRM which is better for studios, right? Right???
Fantastic news!
How is it fantastic? It just splits it even more down the middle.
Don't you people get it? A format war is STUPID. It was stupid 20 years ago, it's stupid now. Not to mention that M$ paid $50million to Paramount and $100million to Dreamworks to make this happen. That's a lot of f'n money to keep a format alive.
Because someone knew that if HD-DVD didn't get SOMETHING this season, it was toast.
And don't forget this little quote:
"Today’s announcement does not include films directed by Steven Spielberg as his films are not exclusive to either format."
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Originally Posted by starman
Don't you people get it? A format war is STUPID. It was stupid 20 years ago, it's stupid now. Not to mention that M$ paid $50million to Paramount and $100million to Dreamworks to make this happen. That's a lot of f'n money to keep a format alive.
Link? I don't really disbelieve you. I think everyone is being paid money under the table to stick with their respective formats, I'd just like something to back the claim up...
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Originally Posted by goMac
Ah. So now Super Mario is arguing that less titles is better. I remember when the Bluray camp used to argue that it was the number of titles that would make a format successful.
All I know is there are going to be a lot of disappointed PS3 owners when they go to pick up Transformers on Bluray so they can show off their HD setup to their friends...
Haven't read his post since his recent blockination, but it figures that BD fanboys would rationalize it like that.
Originally Posted by starman
How is it fantastic? It just splits it even more down the middle.
Don't you people get it? A format war is STUPID. It was stupid 20 years ago, it's stupid now. Not to mention that M$ paid $50million to Paramount and $100million to Dreamworks to make this happen. That's a lot of f'n money to keep a format alive.
Because someone knew that if HD-DVD didn't get SOMETHING this season, it was toast.
And don't forget this little quote:
"Today’s announcement does not include films directed by Steven Spielberg as his films are not exclusive to either format."
I'd like to see something that shows Microsoft paid anyone anything. Because according to the people involved no money changed hands.
And in reality, the format war has driven prices WAY down and helped consumers in that regard. You think Sony would have a $499 Blu-Ray player if there was no competition? Or Toshiba with a $299 player? I think not.
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Originally Posted by jokell82
Haven't read his post since his recent blockination, but it figures that BD fanboys would rationalize it like that.
He was saying that the only reason Paramount switched was because they want people to buy their movies twice, once on HD-DVD, and then again on Bluray when the holy fires come and burn HD-DVD from this world and blablabla... Really you didn't miss much, and Starman's explanation is more plausible.
Originally Posted by jokell82
I'd like to see something that shows Microsoft paid anyone anything. Because according to the people involved no money changed hands.
This is an interesting inconsistency in the arguments from Bluray supporters. Super Mario is arguing that Sony's money makes Bluray the better format because Sony can afford to bribe studios. Yet Starman is arguing that Microsoft bribing studios is a bad thing.
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I think the lesson to be learned there is ignore Super Mario.
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Managed Copy will apparently be finalized by the end of 2007:
HD DVD, Blu-ray "Managed Copy" coming later this year
A few interesting facts:
• All HD-DVD's released from day 1 will support managed copy, only new Bluray discs will support managed copy.
• All HD-DVD's will support managed copy, not all Bluray discs will support managed copy.
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Originally Posted by starman
Again, I'd believe it. But that blog sounds like it's written by Super Mario is his spare time. And honestly, $150 million isn't very much money. For Microsoft, it's pocket change.
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Originally Posted by starman
Deadline Hollywood is a Blu-Ray propaganda website.
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Originally Posted by jokell82
Deadline Hollywood is a Blu-Ray propaganda website.
Where do you see that?
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I agree that there are a lot of politics going on and that a format war is bad for everyone... but I fail to see how the HD DVD camp is any more guilty then the Blu-ray camp at politicking or trying to take advantage of the customer.
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Originally Posted by jokell82
Deadline Hollywood is a Blu-Ray propaganda website.
Propaganda website? It's L.A. Weekly's Nikke Finke. And Google shows me only 5 hits for "Blu-ray" on the entire domain, including the Paramount announcement and another post which refers to Blu-ray as "Sony's next tech debacle." But whatever you say.
Also, since the site broke the story on Sunday night, a half day before anyone else, I'd say it has some credibility.
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Originally Posted by ort888
I agree that there are a lot of politics going on and that a format is bad... but I fail to see how the HD DVD camp is any more guilty then the Blu-ray camp at politicking or trying to take advantage of the customer.
Disney was originally going to go neutral, and rumor was Pixar was pro-HDDVD. Rumor also was that Steve Jobs was personally pushing for Disney to be neutral after Bluray's poor launch.
Anyone who thinks that Sony didn't pay off Disney to be Bluray exclusive is fooling themselves.
This is what HD-DVD should have been doing from the beginning. Throw money at studios and marketing, just as the Bluray camp has been doing.
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