[goMac]

Originally Posted by TETENAL 

heise online - IFA special - Analysten: 40 Prozent Marktanteil für HD DVD im Jahr 2011

Analysts expect that by 2011 the market share of HD DVD will be 40%. So it looks like BluRay is winning after all.

I don't think that's exactly the sort of lead or timeline Super Mario has in mind.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

This moderator has been reported for being biased and trying to cause conflict on the forum.

Give me a break! First of all let me state what I thought was obvious. 99% of my posts -- including that one -- are made as a normal user and have nothing to do with my moderator status. Secondly (and this is the key point I was trying to make) I am on *your* side in this debate, but your bizarre ad-hominem attacks aren't helping the Blu-ray camp at all. In fact, you're making us all look bad.

[Dakarʒ]

He's a charmer.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Give me a break! First of all let me state what I thought was obvious. 99% of my posts -- including that one -- are made as a normal user and have nothing to do with my moderator status.

If you're going to have moderator under your name then keep your mouth shut or get your facts straight. Or moderate bizarre posts like those of Chongo or goMac.

[starman]

Being a moderator doesn't mean he's not allowed to join in discussions.

[Dakarʒ]

It's a shame we can't all be as perfect as Super mario.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

It's a shame we can't all be as perfect as Super mario.

Sooooo true.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by starman 

Being a moderator doesn't mean he's not allowed to join in discussions.

And therefore get reported for an infraction.

[Dakarʒ]

Being biased isn't a forum rule violation, chief.

And if anyone should be reported for "trying to cause conflict on the forum" it'd be you.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

You tell me to research yet come out with a stinkin howler like that one? Betacam is a direct derivative of BetaMax. The only difference between them is the speed at which the tape moves though the machine (1.33cm-4cm/sec versus 12cm sec). There isn't a well thinking well read person on the planet who will disagree with that unless they're playing ****ing mind games.

Wow. Mindgames you say?

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Although there is a superficial similarity between Betamax and Betacam in that they use the same tape cassette, they are really quite different formats. Betamax records relatively low resolution composite video using a heterodyne color recording system and only two recording heads, while Betacam uses four heads to record in component format, at a much higher linear tape speed, resulting in much-higher video and audio quality

That is quite a big difference. It's not just the speed. It's two completely different formats.

Originally Posted by backpedaler #1

And big deal that I got the name for HD format for all of five minutes (HDCAM is short for HD Betacam, which is hardly an earth shattering difference from typing BetaMax HD until I had time to read what I wrote). You should have told Chongo, who is such a genius in your book that you did not bother correcting his amazing list of non-Toshiba inventions or bother mentioning Sony successes such as the Walkman, home video recording, the CD, etc, that HDCAM became yet another de facto standard and that Sony's professional, prosumer and consumer cameras were a qualified success in all fields.

BetaMax died in the eighties. Stop confusing professional tapes with consumer tapes.

And if you bothered to read the thread at all you would have seen my teardown of Chongo's list, just like I tore a new one in your misinformation.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

That is quite a big difference. It's not just the speed. It's two completely different formats.

That's bull, Eric. Their only difference is their electronic speed. Even the "famed" Wikipedia agrees on this. Physically they are identical and the Betacam derived itself from a BetaMax video camera system.

BetaMax died in the eighties. Stop confusing professional tapes with consumer tapes.

Betacam is a derivative technology (as is HDCAM) that deserved to be mentioned considering some Chongo-man wanted to make Sony look like a complete failure company and then comes out with some list of non-Toshiba innovations. See how Chongo from the Congo forgot about how Sony is the company most responsible for putting video and music in the hands of so many people. Now they're doing it again with high definition video judging from the sales of Blu-ray.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

And if anyone should be reported for "trying to cause conflict on the forum" it'd be you.

I'm not the one who plays loose with facts. Everything I say has citation and reference. Take a look elsewhere for idiocy (like people who say HD-DVD is ahead in Europe, Sony hasn't had a successful product, that Toshiba invented radar etc etc etc)

It's true! Highly Dangerous Deadly Viral Disease (HD-DVD) is on the loose!

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

That's bull, Eric. Their only difference is their electronic speed. Even the "famed" Wikipedia agrees on this. Physically they are identical and the Betacam derived itself from a BetaMax video camera system.

No, physically they are NOT identical. In early days they were interchangeable if BLANK, but their recordings were not. This is similar to how an audio cassette could store both data and music (or if you wish how a diskette could be Mac or PC formatted), except that with Betacam it was read differently (four heads as opposed to two, higher linear speed). Similar media does not equate similar formats no matter how you twist it.

And then again that only covered the first iteration of Betacam. Betacam SP, which did in fact become a standard in the broadcast industry, had a completely different cassette format altogether.

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

See how Chongo from the Congo forgot about how Sony is the company most responsible for putting video and music in the hands of so many people. Now they're doing it again with high definition video judging from the sales of Blu-ray.

Ad hominems? Man, you really are one vile sycophant.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

I'm not the one who plays loose with facts. Everything I say has citation and reference.

No it doesn't. Nothing you say has a citation. You just say things like you think Apple will act one way, or you think Toshiba will act another way, even if all evidence is to the contrary. Then when other people including me in the forum post a link to a press release or some other information, you run around like a chicken with it's head cut off calling us liars.

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Take a look elsewhere for idiocy (like people who say HD-DVD is ahead in Europe,

HD-DVD is ahead in hardware sales. We've provided links.

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Sony hasn't had a successful product,

Sony has had successful products, the debate was on successful formats.

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

that Toshiba invented radar etc etc etc)

I don't know why that was brought up, although some research shows that while Toshiba may not have invented radar, they seem to be the ones who adapted it for weather purposes.

That said, I think you have to be pretty stupid to say that Toshiba wasn't a huge player in DVD. While other people may have been involved, Toshiba was the one that actually designed the discs. From Wikipedia:

"In the early 1990s two high-density optical storage standards were being developed; one was the MultiMedia Compact Disc, backed by Philips and Sony, and the other was the Super Density disc, supported by Toshiba, Time Warner, Matsushita Electric, Hitachi, Mitsubishi Electric, Pioneer, Thomson, and JVC. IBM's president, Lou Gerstner, acting as a matchmaker, led an effort to unite the two camps behind a single standard, anticipating a repeat of the costly videotape format war between VHS, Betamax and Video 2000 in the 1980s."

Hey! Look at that! I hardly had to go very far before finding another failed Sony format. Looks like Sony hasn't gotten over losing out to the original DVD format...

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

It's true! Highly Dangerous Deadly Viral Disease (HD-DVD) is on the loose!

Referring to HD-DVD as a disease not only makes you seem like an awfully huge fanboy, but it makes you seem all that more paranoid that HD-DVD might actually win the format war.

[Super Mario]

Oh God, Eric. Now I know you have been infected by Highly Dangerous Deadly Viral Disease

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

No, physically they are NOT identical. In early days they were interchangeable if BLANK, but their recordings were not.

Recordings are electronic and depend on that aforementioned speed. Electronic recordings are not physical. Mechanically (that's the physical part) they are identical.

I already said that all but you seem to think an electric signal is "physical". That's a bit like being wacked in the head by a data transfer over Wi-fi.

On a technical level, Betacam and Betamax are similar in that both share the same videocassette shape, use the same oxide tape formulation with the same coercivity, and both record linear audio tracks on the same location of the videotape. But in the key area of video recording, Betacam and Betamax are completely different. BetaCam tapes are mechanically interchangeable with Betamax, but not electronically. BetaCam moves the tape at 12 cm/sec, with different recording/encoding techniques. Betamax is a color-under system with linear tape speeds ranging from 4 cm/sec to 1.33 cm/sec.

Exactly as I said.

You also said BetaMax was identical in quality to VHS. Wrong again. Ask any broadcaster or documentary film maker. There was also a form of Betacam that equaled DVD quality at 500 lines resolution.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by goMac 

Nothing you say has a citation.

Prove it. One instance. Then I'll bring up so many of your uncited lies that your mother will be ashamed she gave birth to you.