[*TL]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

And right now no one is releasing any hard data for sales. Sucks.

Some hard numbers here.

Go to pages HD16 & HD17 for the top 20 for each format.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by *TL 

Some hard numbers here.

Go to pages HD16 & HD17 for the top 20 for each format.

Too bad it's only one week. Wonder why they can't do that every week?

[Eug]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Too bad it's only one week. Wonder why they can't do that every week?

They do, and it's publicly available every week.

Originally Posted by *TL 

Translation: if you quote the Digital Bits, HD partisans won't listen because of a reflexive animosity to the guy who, well, calls up the people at studios and asks them what's going on instead of speculating on internet boards, because he prefers the rival format.

I guess he must have called up Sony's marketing division then when he posted that Microsoft gave Paramount $150 million.

The guy's full of it, and full of himself too, and everyone knows it.

[jokell82]

Originally Posted by Eug 

They do, and it's publicly available every week.

Actually they don't. They just release percentages for most weeks. Check out this weeks for example (pages 10-11): NXTbook flash detection page

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by *TL 

Some hard numbers here.

Go to pages HD16 & HD17 for the top 20 for each format.

BING! More people have been buying HD-DVD stand alone players that I have known than people buying BLueray stand alones.

The thing is a lot of people count the gaming systems as "sales" and that isn't really a decent way of doing such a thing. Most gamers I know just care about games. They could care less what movies it plays.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Really? Weird. What do the rules say considering you introduced me to that site?

What does him introducing you to the site have anything to do with him saying the site isn't credible?

I've introduced Bekah to Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean I think it's full of truthes. The rest of what he said was dead on as well. Stop posting articles as if they were your own thoughts of beliefs.

[jokell82]

Also at one time Bill Hunt's site was a great place to get industry news. Now it's a good place to get Sony PR news.

[icruise]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Also at one time Bill Hunt's site was a great place to get industry news. Now it's a good place to get Sony PR news.

Just curious, but is it possible in your estimation for a site to come out in favor of Blu-ray without it being nothing more than a Sony shill?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Just curious, but is it possible in your estimation for a site to come out in favor of Blu-ray without it being nothing more than a Sony shill?

I am sure it's very possible. It's just not the case in this instance.

Most people actually don't know what HD-DVD or Blueray is actually. Those that do USUALLY have a bias either way because of products they own.

I don't own any of said products, and just know about said formats at what I have been reading forever in this thread (again long time reader..) and from what I've heard around the office and from friends.

Everyone seems to agree what is cheaper, and has more options as far as who makes it, licensing fees etc is what format will be the "winner" Most people I know don't care WHICH one "wins" they just want a choice to be made. And until that choice is made, what is cheaper will usually top what is more expensive. Regardless of quality or features.

It's the reason why more people have Windows equipped PCs instead of MacOS one.

The Mac OS is certainly a better OS, but since it's was EASIER to find and CHEAPER to own a Windows based PC, people went to that. And therefore it became the "standard"

But like others have said, both may go to the wayside if they don't come to an agreement soon. Something will come out better and make them both irrelevant.

It's happened before.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

Really? Weird. What do the rules say considering you introduced me to that site?

I introduced that site to you... something like 8 years ago, when it was actually somewhat decent. However, 2000 is not 2007.

Originally Posted by icruise 

Just curious, but is it possible in your estimation for a site to come out in favor of Blu-ray without it being nothing more than a Sony shill?

It's quite possible to favour Blu-ray without being a Blu-ray shill. Nonetheless, he is a Blu-ray shill.

BTW, I particularly like the pix of his Blu-ray sponsored TDB birthday party complete with two paid babes.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I introduced that site to you... something like 8 years ago, when it was actually somewhat decent.

Seems you aren't the only person that thought it was at one time too..

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Also at one time Bill Hunt's site was a great place to get industry news. Now it's a good place to get Sony PR news.

Just like MacOSRumors used to be decent at one time..now it's a joke.

It's quite possible to favour Blu-ray without being a Blu-ray shill. Nonetheless, he is a Blu-ray shill. BTW, I particularly like the pix of his Blu-ray sponsored TDB birthday party complete with two paid babes.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by jokell82 

Actually they don't. They just release percentages for most weeks. Check out this weeks for example (pages 10-11): NXTbook flash detection page

Oh, I see what you mean. I stand corrected.

P.S. It has been said by some in the industry that if you sell less than 50000 units for a big title, you're probably losing money. Or, at best, you're not making much money. (It's an overgeneralization I know, but nonetheless it's useful insight into this war.)

The vast majority of the top 20 on the list have sold less than 50000 units this year (although I'm not sure if the 50000 applies to box sets and dual-format releases), and some of the titles were released last year.

[*TL]

Originally Posted by Eug 

I guess he must have called up Sony's marketing division then when he posted that Microsoft gave Paramount $150 million.

Nope, he just reported what was reported in the LA Times and later in the NYT (about a third of the way down):

None of the participants in this deal are willing to openly disclose just how MUCH money was exchanged, but the L.A. Weekly is reporting (based in part on a confidential report from media analysis firm Pali Research) that it was in the neighborhood of $50 million in "promotional considerations" for Paramount and $100 million for DreamWorks.

He also later speculated that MS was the source of the cash, but corrected that when the facts came out (not digging out the links).

Originally Posted by Kevin 

BING! More people have been buying HD-DVD stand alone players that I have known than people buying BLueray stand alones.

Except that BD stand alone players (excluding PS3s) started outselling HD DVD players about 14 weeks ago, so you can cross that talking point off your list.

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Everyone seems to agree what is cheaper, and has more options as far as who makes it, licensing fees etc is what format will be the "winner"

Well, as to cheaper, more options, and licensing fees, its: HD DVD (for now), Blu-ray (for now), HD DVD by a marginal amount (for now). But I don't think that everyone agrees that these factors will decide the winner of the format war. I certainly don't.

[Kevin]

Except that BD stand alone players (excluding PS3s) started outselling HD DVD players about 14 weeks ago, so you can cross that talking point off your list.

What are the margins again? 1.5 - 1? I am sure it's just a spike. It went back and forth in the Beta/VHS world too. One day Beta was the hot thing to get, and the next VHS was.

Well we will soon find out. My bet? Neither of them will become a standard. They will both fall to the wayside of something even better/cheaper. And it will be their own faults.

Again, I will just keep my DVD player I have for the time being. Nothing I am missing out on, and I am not about to waste my money on something that could very well be obsolete in less than a year.

I just remember my dad and his friends having the SAME arguments when VHS/Beta standard was in full swing. And the two sound JUST alike.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by *TL 

Nope, he just reported what was reported in the LA Times and later in the NYT (about a third of the way down):

He also later speculated that MS was the source of the cash, but corrected that when the facts came out (not digging out the links).

Exactly. He made up the MS part, and reported it as fact. That's indicative of the overall problem.

What's amusing though is he goes on to say it's bad for MS to do it (even though they didn't), but it's OK for Sony to do so. Talk about a hypocrite.

For the record, I think it's OK for BOTH sides to do so. But the bottom line is that MS never made any such payment, and the original article never claimed it did.

[starman]

He didn't "make it up", he linked another source.