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jokell82 · Oct 23, 2007, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by exca1ibur

Disney made a decision at launch. Paramount was neutral then backpedaled during one of the major Hi-Def releases of the year.

Actually, Paramount made a decision at launch too - they were originally an HD DVD exclusive distributor. They went neutral for a while and then went BACK to HD DVD.

analogue SPRINKLES · Oct 23, 2007, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

However, I still find it amusing people are harping on this, when the same is true for Blu-ray and Disney. Remember, Disney refused to deny they were given "incentives" to support Blu-ray.

So at least they did it before the war got into consumers hands. You don't wait over a year and when BR is outselling HD 2:1 or more you don't go back to the lower selling end for anything other than a shitload of cash.

mrtew · Oct 23, 2007, 09:26 PM

OK it looks to me like BluRay is going to be the winner. I've almost bought a HD-DVD drive for my X-Box360 several tmes, but just couldn't do it. I think I'm going to get a PlayStation3 for the BluRay instead. It seems like that's going to be a better buy in the long run that starting on a dying format at this point. Don't you think?

Eug · Oct 23, 2007, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by mrtew

OK it looks to me like BluRay is going to be the winner. I've almost bought a HD-DVD drive for my X-Box360 several tmes, but just couldn't do it. I think I'm going to get a PlayStation3 for the BluRay instead. It seems like that's going to be a better buy in the long run that starting on a dying format at this point. Don't you think?

I don't think so.

Personally I don't think either format is guaranteed to win at this point. It looks like both are going to be around for years.

As for getting a player, I'd just wait until a standalone drops below $200 and get one of those. Much better value for HD playback than either the 360 add-on or a PS3. And I say this as someone who owns both a standalone and a 360 add-on.

jokell82 · Oct 24, 2007, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by mrtew

OK it looks to me like BluRay is going to be the winner. I've almost bought a HD-DVD drive for my X-Box360 several tmes, but just couldn't do it. I think I'm going to get a PlayStation3 for the BluRay instead. It seems like that's going to be a better buy in the long run that starting on a dying format at this point. Don't you think?

Short answer, no.

Long answer is more like what Eug said. Although if you're willing to wait, the best bet would be to wait until a *combo* standalone drops below $300 or so. Then you don't have to worry about the "war" at all.

Kevin · Oct 24, 2007, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by mrtew

OK it looks to me like BluRay is going to be the winner.

I'd look at that crystal ball a little clearer.

Either neither is gonna make it, or HD-DVD is. So far things are pacing out to be the first.

icruise · Oct 24, 2007, 08:28 AM

What do you base the idea that HD-DVD would win on? I can understand saying that it'll be a stalemate (and that may very well be the most likely outcome), but if I had to choose one, it wouldn't be the side that's getting outsold by 2 or 3 to 1...

Kevin · Oct 24, 2007, 09:02 AM

I gave my reasoning for my beliefs earlier.

analogue SPRINKLES · Oct 24, 2007, 11:01 AM

Format War: Blu-ray Outsells HD DVD Nearly 2-to-1 in US

the_glassman · Oct 24, 2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by mrtew

OK it looks to me like BluRay is going to be the winner. I've almost bought a HD-DVD drive for my X-Box360 several tmes, but just couldn't do it. I think I'm going to get a PlayStation3 for the BluRay instead. It seems like that's going to be a better buy in the long run that starting on a dying format at this point. Don't you think?

I've been partial to BluRay for a long time, but I've finally made the jump and purchased the HD DVD add on for my Xbox. How could I not with Best Buy giving them away? I got Heros season one ($99 retail), Transformers, 300, King Kong, plus my other five movies coming in the mail for $180.00 Pretty good deal if you ask me.

Kevin · Oct 24, 2007, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Format War: Blu-ray Outsells HD DVD Nearly 2-to-1 in US

"the count doesn't include Michael Bay's reluctantly sold 190,000 Transformers HD DVDs, a figure which will probably continue to rise, adding to the HD DVD camp's overall numbers. And the numbers may shift more favorably towards HD DVD as Paramount and Dreamworks maintain exclusivity for at least 17 more months."

Read the article?

jokell82 · Oct 24, 2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Format War: Blu-ray Outsells HD DVD Nearly 2-to-1 in US

So, it's only 1.5:1 right now without the recent record-breaking Transformer numbers, eh? Not too shabby...

Eug · Oct 24, 2007, 12:30 PM

Interesting new pricing entry in Wal-Mart's store inventory system:

*TL · 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

So, it's only 1.5:1 right now without the recent record-breaking Transformer numbers, eh? Not too shabby...

Let's not count Transformers before they hatch; the Dreamamount press release clearly implies that 190k, if accurate, is for all of North America. I'm told that Nielsen only counts the United States.

Also, you've got to do a lot of funny rounding to round 1.87:1 to "only 1.5:1." Even if Blu-ray sold absolutely nothing last week, the ratio would move to 1.86 to 1. In other words, the biggest blockbuster exclusive HD has or will have for a year doesn't move the year-to-date ratio more than .01.

Oh, and ending in September, it also doesn't take into account the huge numbers that Fantastic Four did.

mrtew · Oct 24, 2007, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'd look at that crystal ball a little clearer.

Either neither is gonna make it, or HD-DVD is. So far things are pacing out to be the first.

I can't tell if you're just pushing people's buttons by always taking the viewpoint that's going to get people fighting or if you have some kind of point. Please tell me why you think that Bluray won't 'win'.

analogue SPRINKLES · Oct 24, 2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by jokell82

So, it's only 1.5:1 right now without the recent record-breaking Transformer numbers, eh? Not too shabby...

It has been months where you can get an HD-DVD player for $150-200 and 7 free movies and BR is still outselling it the same as it was in January. That's pretty shabby.

jokell82 · Oct 24, 2007, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by *TL

Let's not count Transformers before they hatch; the Dreamamount press release clearly implies that 190k, if accurate, is for all of North America. I'm told that Nielsen only counts the United States.

Also, you've got to do a lot of funny rounding to round 1.87:1 to "only 1.5:1." Even if Blu-ray sold absolutely nothing last week, the ratio would move to 1.86 to 1. In other words, the biggest blockbuster exclusive HD has or will have for a year doesn't move the year-to-date ratio more than .01.

Oh, and ending in September, it also doesn't take into account the huge numbers that Fantastic Four did.

How does 3mil:2mil equal 1.87:1???

And actually if BD sold squat last week, the new ratio would be 1.37:1

goMac · Oct 24, 2007, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Interesting new pricing entry in Wal-Mart's store inventory system:

Just in time for Christmas too.

BTW, Bluray has been at 2:1 for a long long while. I don't understand why the Bluray fanboys are acting like it's a big deal. Bluray is not gaining ground, and HD-DVD is not losing it. Neither side is really winning or losing at this point.