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View Poll Results: Which do you have? (Choose only ONE. Includes stand-alones and game consoles.)
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HD DVD 33 votes (17.84%)
Blu-ray 81 votes (43.78%)
Both 14 votes (7.57%)
Neither 63 votes (34.05%)
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Blu-ray/HD DVD... Who is winning? (Page 91)
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Jan 1, 2008, 01:23 PM
 
Order a NEW Blu-ray movie disc then report why the Amazon feed that supplies data to thedvdwars.com is showing no Blu-ray in stock. Tell us the shipping times on new discs too once your order is processed.

Regardless, the feed still showed that HD-DVD sales went up post Xmas when Blu-ray sold out. I had no personal opinion that could be insulted.
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Jan 1, 2008, 01:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by PaperNotes View Post
Order a NEW Blu-ray movie disc then report why the Amazon feed that supplies data to thedvdwars.com is showing no Blu-ray in stock. Tell us the shipping times on new discs too once your order is processed.

Regardless, the feed still showed that HD-DVD sales went up post Xmas when Blu-ray sold out. I had no personal opinion that could be insulted.
You're probably looking at the data for one title...

Regardless, Amazon themselves are saying that they have new copies available and in stock, shipping directly from Amazon.
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Jan 1, 2008, 02:30 PM
 
Originally Posted by PaperNotes View Post
Order a NEW Blu-ray movie disc then report why the Amazon feed that supplies data to thedvdwars.com is showing no Blu-ray in stock. Tell us the shipping times on new discs too once your order is processed.

Regardless, the feed still showed that HD-DVD sales went up post Xmas when Blu-ray sold out. I had no personal opinion that could be insulted.
This is getting ridiculous. So you mean to tell me that all the people who ordered movies during the BOGO sales Amazon had for Blu-Ray never got their movies because there was no stock???

Here is your chart when you click on "show all" - looks like there is something wrong with it:


Now stop with this nonsense. Amazon is CLEARLY not sold out of their movies.

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Jan 1, 2008, 02:33 PM
 
BTW, here are the number of movies that can ship *today* according to your website:


Please tell us all how they could ship almost 500 Blu-Ray titles today with no stock.

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Jan 1, 2008, 02:50 PM
 
You guys are really serious about this debate.

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You guys are really serious about this debate.
Hah... why not.
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Originally Posted by jokell82 View Post
BTW, here are the number of movies that can ship *today* according to your website:


Please tell us all how they could ship almost 500 Blu-Ray titles today with no stock.
According to that pic, HD DVD is supply constrained -- there are fewer HD DVD titles in stock. In other words, OMG HD DVD is sold out! Despite this HD DVD still leads the Amazon top 100.

     
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"Those features will do little to increase sales, said Richard Doherty, an analyst with the Envisioneering Group. The market consultants’ surveys show that just 3 percent of consumers want interactivity, he said."

In the DVD War Over High Definition, Most Buyers Are Sitting It Out - New York Times
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
"Those features will do little to increase sales, said Richard Doherty, an analyst with the Envisioneering Group. The market consultants’ surveys show that just 3 percent of consumers want interactivity, he said."

In the DVD War Over High Definition, Most Buyers Are Sitting It Out - New York Times
Well, there seems to be a bit of a disconnect there.

Universal says 30% of HD DVD users access Web content

Universal said that an average of 30% of people who bought its HD DVDs with Internet features actually accessed those features. Such titles include Evan Almight, Knocked Up, and the first season of Heroes.

All HD DVD players are required to have an Ethernet port to connect to a broadband Internet connection, a requirement that has not yet been matched by Blu-ray.

The HD DVD Promotional Group also said this week that more than 80,000 unique users had accessed exclusive Web content from the HD DVD version of Transformers, a Dreamworks title. Both Universal and Dreamworks are in the small pool of movie studios releasing high-def titles exclusively to HD DVD.

"We've only scratched the surface in offering web-connected experiences to fans of hit movies and TV shows," HD DVD Promotional Group co-president and Universal executive VP Ken Gaffeo.


Whether the majority of people overall want it or not is not the issue. The issue is whether a good percentage of people willing to buy into hi-def want it or not.
     
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES View Post
The standard DVDs offered a quantum leap in quality from the picture and sound of VHS videotape, and for many that was more than adequate.

In the DVD War Over High Definition, Most Buyers Are Sitting It Out - New York Times
Huh? I never noticed any improvement in picture quality from VHS to DVD except for no more issues with 'tracking'. Quantum leap? WTF is he talking about???
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Huh? I never noticed any improvement in picture quality from VHS to DVD
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Jan 1, 2008, 07:31 PM
 
Another BOGO sale for Bluray. Not a week goes by without a BOGO sale for Bluray.

Amazon having a BOGO sale for Bluray titles. Over 90 titles on sale compare to under 40 titles for HDDVD.

Titles under $20 for Bluray BOGO sale includes the first 4 Harry Potter movies and 300.

As someone have said in this thread, they are practically giving them away.
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Originally Posted by mrtew View Post
I never noticed any improvement in picture quality from VHS to DVD
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Jan 1, 2008, 07:48 PM
 
Perhaps he had an old 9" black and white tv with the dvd player hooked in via some sort of coax transceiver.
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Perhaps he had an old 9" black and white tv with the dvd player hooked in via some sort of coax transceiver.
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So you think that DVD looks that much better than cable TV? Or you think that VHS looks that much worse? I could go for "maybe noticeable" improvement, but not quantum leap. HDTV is a quantum leap. Or you think that HDTV is a quantum leap above DVD which is a quantum leap above cable TV which is a quantum leap above VHS which is a quanutum leap above antenna TV? I think each step was a slight improvement until HDTV came out.
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Jan 1, 2008, 08:02 PM
 
Originally Posted by mrtew View Post
Huh? I never noticed any improvement in picture quality from VHS to DVD
That's like saying you didn't notice a difference between 8-tracks and CDs. Like saying that seeing a movie on your mom's 15" TV was just as good as seeing it on a huge, silver screen. It's incredible and improbable.

I just saw a Blu-Ray demo on a pretty large LCD monitor, and I'm very impressed. I am, however, waiting for a combo player, because I refuse to buy multiple devices so that I'm covered for whatever the market decides on. And as this Blu-Ray demo was an actual quantum leap above DVD imaging, I have to really wonder what it is you're talking about. Seriously, even a low-dollar, Wal-Mart special DVD player with cheap cables should make a film look like a spring day compared to any VHS player with the same film's tape.
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Jan 1, 2008, 08:54 PM
 
HA! I told you! Idiots! I knew it wasn't my bad memory or eyes. Now I can't trust you band of snotty 13 year old's about anything.

Evidence about the alleged superiority of DVD picture versus VHS is largely anecdotal and suspicious, given the fact that it mostly originates from the DVD manufacturers themselves. In fact, the actual peer-reviewed evidence tends to point the other direction.
DVD Versus VHS: The Surprising Truth

DVD wins right? Not necessarily. A one hour video in digital format takes up about 21GB of space on a computer. DVD encoders use compression (mpeg2) to fit this on to the 4.7GB DVD disk and any time you use compression there is some loss of quality. Now in saying that, around the 1 hour 15 min mark is the point where the degradation starts to become noticeable during cross fades, action scenes or low light. A 2 hour high quality video will (initially) look better than a 2 hour DVD.
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