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Blu-ray/HD DVD... Who is winning? (Page 95)
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Originally Posted by Oversoul 
Not necessarily. Paramount will probably realize 1+ to 2x what they would have from all the double dipping had they remained neutral or gone Blu. Think about it, Paramount is contractually committed to remain red for the next year and release titles on HD DVD. People who already have HD DVD players will continue to buy Paramount titles because they remain exclusive. And people who want Paramount titles right now will still have to buy into HD DVD, if just for that. When their sentence is over and they return to neutral or go Blu, they'll just re-release all those titles in Blu-ray to, hopefully, a larger and more mature HDM market. Don't tell me Blu-ray owners then won't buy all those backlogged titles that had previously been available only in HD DVD.
What you fail to note is that hi-def sales haven't even really STARTED yet. The couple million media sold IN TOTAL right now - and they really are no more than a few million if you throw Blu-Ray and HD-DVD together (first figure I could find is 1.8 million cumulative sales of both formats together at the end of April 2007) are of no interest to anyone, long-term.
The mainstream isn't going to start buying hi-def formats until the dust has settled and Blu-Ray is established as the definite DVD successor.
The suckers who've bought into the HD market so far don't concern, at all.
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Michael Bay was right 
I am sure he is happy he can eventually release Transformers on BR like he wanted to in the beginning.
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*sits back and relaxes while watching a HD DVD and then when that is over switching to a blu-ray disk on my LG BH-200 while everyone else is scrambling about*
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Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²
*sits back and relaxes while watching a HD DVD and then when that is over switching to a blu-ray disk on my LG BH-200 while everyone else is scrambling about*
How much you pay for it?
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$795 through a private source
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Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²
$795 through a private source
How many HD-DVD disks you got?
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5 HD and 7 blu-ray, plus 100s of DVDs (not counting box sets)
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Laser disks players were $500 + for years if not more. Not to mention a movie would cost $80 and there was almost no selection, oh and the disks were huge and most players needed you to manually flip the disks.
BR is already doing better in that regard.
No. I had a $125 LD player. I also had a $1000 LD player. Movies were $80 from Fox, $24.95 from Warner.
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Originally Posted by starman
No. I had a $125 LD player. I also had a $1000 LD player. Movies were $80 from Fox, $24.95 from Warner.
I knew you were going to post the cheapest laser player you could think of.
The point was for YEARS they were expensive as hell along with the disks.
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Originally Posted by brassplayersrock²
5 HD and 7 blu-ray, plus 100s of DVDs (not counting box sets)
Ok so the value of your 5 HD-DVD disks is what? Say $100 - $150?
You could easily have got a $200 Stand alone HD-DVD player and a $400 PS3 for LESS than your combo player cost.
Even more depressing you could replace those 5 HD-DVD disks with BR versions for about $100 if they are available on BR or at worst DVD.
This is exactly why Combo player for $700+ have always been a stupid idea.
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I wonder how much of a spike in PS3 sales there will be after this.
Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Not really. The war got the price of BR players down much faster than anticipated and studio's still have to convince people to get HD disks over DVD.
Yeah, but they still need to drop the prices further, and discontinue those damn Profile 1.0 machines.
I'll need to go neutral, but I still want a $199 player with Profile 1.1.
Or else a dual-format player for $299, but I think that's unlikely to come before the $199 Profile 1.1 player.
Originally Posted by starman
Heh. Welcome to the partay.
Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
I would be major upset if I had got season 1 of BSG or star Trek in HD with over $100 a set.
Well, these two are must haves, so I got them. Annoyed, but not upset. What I am upset about though is the audio problem on disk 2 of Season 1 BSG.
And frack, I'm going to have to return my Star Trek box set, because one of the discs doesn't play consistently.  Luckily I contacted the store before the announcement, or they'd think I'm returning it because of that. 
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Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES
Ok so the value of your 5 HD-DVD disks is what? Say $100 - $150?
You could easily have got a $200 Stand alone HD-DVD player and a $400 PS3 for LESS than your combo player cost.
Even more depressing you could replace those 5 HD-DVD disks with BR versions for about $100 if they are available on BR or at worst DVD.
This is exactly why Combo player for $700+ have always been a stupid idea.
then again it's easy. all i have to do is go into a store, see if they have the movie i want and i can buy it, no matter what format. i don't have to go through the disappointment of "oh crap! they don't have it on (insert media type here)" and possible need to go else where. combo players are your friend.
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I think Warner was premature in announcing Bluray exclusive. Over 500,000 HDDVD players were sold during the holiday season. Most were purchase as gifts. Planet Earth HDDVD were most likely purchased as gifts. They should have waited another month or two to see the effect on HDDVD movies sales of all those HDDVD players bought as presents.
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Originally Posted by jokell82
Well, I'm done buying HD for now then. This sucks.
Why? Do you hate having the choice of over half a dozen hardware manufacturers for standalone players? Do you hate Panasonic which is the main inventor of the blu-ray format and manufacturer of many of the blu-ray drive mechanisms?
Are you a fan of Toshiba and the joy of only having one choice for hardware? Are you a fan of MSFT? Do you irrationally hate blu-ray because of the Sony rootkit issue caused by Sony BMG's choice of DRM for some of their CDs in the past? Sony BMG is not directly related in any way to blu-ray.
Does it all boil down to the fact that copying blu-ray is harder and that you cannot use the "backup" excuse because blu-ray includes a hard protective coating on every disc?
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Originally Posted by Eug
Well, these two are must haves, so I got them. Annoyed, but not upset. What I am upset about though is the audio problem on disk 2 of Season 1 BSG.
Ya BSG is great to have but now what? I mean I don't think season 2 -4 will come out on HD anymore so you are going to have season 1 on HD-DVD and 2-4 on BR. You are gonna have to keep that xbox add on or your stand alone player just for the privalege of watching the few HD's you have.
You might also wait a bit but you know you are going to end up with a BR player sooner or later unless you want to skip the HD on disk from this point on.
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Originally Posted by hyteckit
I think Warner was premature in announcing Bluray exclusive. Over 500,000 HDDVD players were sold during the holiday season. Most were purchase as gifts. Planet Earth HDDVD were most likely purchased as gifts. They should have waited another month or two to see the effect on HDDVD movies sales of all those HDDVD players bought as presents.
Of those HD DVD players, how many were returned when they realized that they could not playback Disney Blu-rays due to consumer confusion? Of those sold players, how many were bought to be used as an upscaling DVD player? Of those purchased players, how many were sold to HD DVD supporters who were buying a second or third player thereby not increasing potential disc sales? How many of those players will be returned back to the store following this announcement?
How many standalone Blu-ray players and PS3's were sold in that same time period?
The fact of the matter is that Warner did not see the existing standalone HD DVD players let alone the new players translate into HD DVD disc sales and blu-ray has one every week since December of last year when the PS3 was launched in some new markets.
Warner saw that, contrary to HD DVD propaganda, PS3 sales did translate into disc sales.
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