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marden · Nov 27, 2006, 11:43 PM

Why do we assume that our idea of GOODNESS is the best way?

Why is being NICE automatically assumed to be the only way to be?

What if being bad, evil, dirty, ugly, violent, rude, inconsiderate was actually the best way to be?

Atomic Rooster · Nov 27, 2006, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by marden

<snip>What if being bad, evil, dirty, ugly, violent, rude, inconsiderate was actually the best way to be?

Reminds me of a couple of members here. Couldn't resist.

Atomic Rooster · Nov 27, 2006, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Why do we assume that our idea of GOODNESS is the best way?

Why is being NICE automatically assumed to be the only way to be?

What if being bad, evil, dirty, ugly, violent, rude, inconsiderate was actually the best way to be?

Well Stalin killed 24,000,000 of his own people. is that dirty, ugly and cruel enough?

Doofy · Nov 28, 2006, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by marden

What if being bad, evil, dirty, ugly, violent, rude, inconsiderate was actually the best way to be?

What's with all this "what if" business?

Chuckit · Nov 28, 2006, 12:16 AM

We can generally say, a priori, that a "good" thing is something that either causes joy or decreases pain. Being dirty, ugly, rude, violent and inconsiderate generally has the opposite effect of this. Therefore, it is not good.

Dakar² · Nov 28, 2006, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by marden

What if being bad, evil, dirty, ugly, violent, rude, inconsiderate was actually the best way to be?

I'd be worshipped as a deity.

marden · Nov 28, 2006, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

We can generally say, a priori, that a "good" thing is something that either causes joy or decreases pain. Being dirty, ugly, rude, violent and inconsiderate generally has the opposite effect of this. Therefore, it is not good.

A Priori:Knowledge, judgments, and principles which are true without verification or testing. It is universally true.
www.carm.org/atheism/terms.htm

But I am questioning it. Why is joy good? Why is decreasing pain considered good?

Doofy · Nov 28, 2006, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by marden

But I am questioning it. Why is joy good? Why is decreasing pain considered good?

Because secular society is somewhat hedonistic.

marden · Nov 28, 2006, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Because secular society is somewhat hedonistic.

So what does the other side of that coin read?

Doofy · Nov 28, 2006, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by marden

So what does the other side of that coin read?

Nope, you've lost me there.

marden · Nov 28, 2006, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Because secular society is somewhat hedonistic.

Originally Posted by marden

So what does the other side of that coin read?

Originally Posted by Doofy

Nope, you've lost me there.

If secular society is somewhat hedonistic what characteristic(s) would you assign non-secular societies?

Doofy · Nov 28, 2006, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by marden

If secular society is somewhat hedonistic what characteristic(s) would you assign non-secular societies?

Depends on what type of non-secularism is prevalent.

marden · Nov 28, 2006, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Depends on what type of non-secularism is prevalent.

Thanks for the enlightening reply.

Y3a · Nov 28, 2006, 04:40 AM

Is giving horrible pain and suffering to "Bad" people considered "good"?

We're talking relative viewpoints here right. (Second oldest troll bait)

badidea · Nov 28, 2006, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by marden

Why do we assume that our idea of GOODNESS is the best way?

Could you please change the "we" to "I" (and "our" to "mine" of course) because I'm pretty sure that MY goodness is different from YOURS!
There you have it!

marden · Nov 28, 2006, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Y3a

Is giving horrible pain and suffering to "Bad" people considered "good"?

We're talking relative viewpoints here right. (Second oldest troll bait)

Originally Posted by badidea

Could you please change the "we" to "I" (and "our" to "mine" of course) because I'm pretty sure that MY goodness is different from YOURS!
There you have it!

Hmm.

- - e r i k - - · Nov 28, 2006, 05:44 AM

This thread made my head hurt. Is marden and Doofy arguing?

- - e r i k - - · Nov 28, 2006, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by marden

What if being bad, evil, dirty, ugly, violent, rude, inconsiderate was actually the best way to be?

You'd be elected president? *pah-dhump*

Thank you, I'll be here all night!

marden · Nov 28, 2006, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

This thread made my head hurt. Is marden and Doofy arguing?

Is erik be showing off and his use the english?

- - e r i k - - · Nov 28, 2006, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by marden

Is erik be showing off and his use the english?

Nice ad-hominem against a non-native english speaker there marden. Maybe you'd like to make fun of my physical disabilities next. I am sure your ego would be boosted big time.

marden · Nov 28, 2006, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Nice ad-hominem against a non-native english speaker there marden. Maybe you'd like to make fun of my physical disabilities next. I am sure your ego would be boosted big time.

Your English is so good I would never have guessed you to be a non-native english speaker.

And any physical disability you might have is also unknown to me.

But if you're worried about someone finding fertile ground for criticism they wouldn't need to know anything about your language or physical aspects* in order to hit paydirt.

* If those things you say are true.

invisibleX · Nov 28, 2006, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by marden

Why do we assume that our idea of GOODNESS is the best way?

Why is being NICE automatically assumed to be the only way to be?

What if being bad, evil, dirty, ugly, violent, rude, inconsiderate was actually the best way to be?

Because being NICE is not the only way to be because "nice" and "good" are relative. What is bad to me and bad to you will differ but as a culture they intersect just enough that we have some agreed upon things. Killing people is bad, saving kids is good. However some people support abortion and some don't.