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besson3c · Dec 17, 2006, 01:43 PM

I don't really have a problem with adults ogling people like Brittney Spears or Paris Hilton (the latter in particular) as it seems like they have cashed out specifically in this market, and have made no other significant contributes to society other than just providing flesh for men to ogle.

However, I don't know if younger kids understand this. I suspect that they simply see Brittney or Paris as women like any other. Therefore, I feel that I'd probably not want kids to be hearing these sorts of remarks.

How do you parents deal with these sorts of issues? Do you think it does some harm for kids to hear/see us slobbering over female attributes?

besson3c · Dec 17, 2006, 01:49 PM

Just to be clear, my original post is not an attempt to change anything about MacNN, just speaking in very general terms...

Kevin · Dec 17, 2006, 02:07 PM

Don't worry, we still think you are cute too besson.

Chuckit · Dec 17, 2006, 02:09 PM

Britney Spears' contribution to society has been at least as great as the contribution most of our high school interns have made.

Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with men finding women attractive or vice-versa. Whether we do it in a sexual way or any other way, we're always evaluating other people. Now, if you say in front of your kid, "Woo boy, I'd hit that from both sides," that's a different thing, and it's not all right with Britney or Paris either (unless you mean it literally, in which case it's an act of compassion for humanity).

besson3c · 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Britney Spears' contribution to society has been at least as great as the contribution most of our high school interns have made.

Anyway, I don't think there's anything wrong with men finding women attractive or vice-versa. Whether we do it in a sexual way or any other way, we're always evaluating other people. Now, if you say in front of your kid, "Woo boy, I'd hit that from both sides," that's a different thing, and it's not all right with Britney or Paris either (unless you mean it literally, in which case it's an act of compassion for humanity).

Yeah, that's a fair argument, but this is also a part of a much larger picture, I think.

Biologically speaking, a man's seed is cheaper than a woman's. We can produce it and regenerate it easily. Maybe this sort of plays into how society seems to reward men having sex with as many people as possible, while women are expected to be more selective of their partners... I'm not sure if I buy this theory, but I find it interesting to think about from a biological standpoint.

My point is that I think that while there are women who are very clear about checking out some sweet male ass, there is probably a lot more of going on openly in the opposite direction. Still, you make a good argument that maybe girls shouldn't be hearing this either, and I could go along with that.

My Dad was not at all into treating women as objects, but I remember feeling a lot more awkward around the attractive women at high school than I did the less attractive. Why is that? Dealing with women should be the same art form regardless of how attractive that woman is, right? My theory is that the guys dating the hot girls were elevated to a higher social class, which meant that conversing with the hot girls represented more at stake.

Looking back, I bet those hot girls would have preferred to be treated as people just like any other, as opposed to a sort of prize.

Does any of this resonate with any of you?

Doofy · Dec 17, 2006, 02:34 PM

Wait. Who the hell is ogling Britney and Paris?

exca1ibur · Dec 17, 2006, 03:10 PM

For example.. makeup, wearing makeup and perfume is to attract. They do it it hopes of attracting men and to select who they want. Being seductive again is the same purpose for example, lingerie and 'sexy' clothing. Would there be a huge market for cosmetics if they didn't find this acceptable as well? Some women tend to present themselves as objects, for attention, for the need to feel important, who knows. When women presenting themselves in that way, how are they to be taken as anything other than objects? The bottom line is how you present yourself.

In the entertainment industry sex sells so a lot of women do that to 'improve' their careers. (Paris, Britney, etc). If it wasn't for the sex tape, do you really thing Paris would be popular or even heard of, based on talent? I doubt it. Men may drool over women often but at the same time, women know that and a lot play that into their favor. More than often I think they compete against each other in trying to attract. (see the term 'popularity contest')

analogika · Dec 17, 2006, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Wait. Who the hell is ogling Britney and Paris?

Thank you.

That was the question on my mind.

besson3c · Dec 17, 2006, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by exca1ibur

For example.. makeup, wearing makeup and perfume is to attract. They do it it hopes of attracting men and to select who they want. Being seductive again is the same purpose for example, lingerie and 'sexy' clothing. Would there be a huge market for cosmetics if they didn't find this acceptable as well? Some women tend to present themselves as objects, for attention, for the need to feel important, who knows. When women presenting themselves in that way, how are they to be taken as anything other than objects? The bottom line is how you present yourself.

In the entertainment industry sex sells so a lot of women do that to 'improve' their careers. (Paris, Britney, etc). If it wasn't for the sex tape, do you really thing Paris would be popular or even heard of, based on talent? I doubt it. Men may drool over women often but at the same time, women know that and a lot play that into their favor. More than often I think they compete against each other in trying to attract. (see the term 'popularity contest')

Sure, but can kids tell the difference between women vying for attention by being wearing sexy clothing vs. an attractive woman that is attempting to look her best without pushing sex in the same way (e.g. by exposing cleavage, thong straps, etc.)?

I wouldn't go so far as to say that woman that wear cosmetics are objectifying themselves. Putting on some makeup for an interview seems no different to me than a guy putting on a nice dress shirt.

I think your argument is valid, but it needs to make the distinction here.

exca1ibur · Dec 17, 2006, 04:10 PM

Its hard to say overall, because there really is a gray area. The problem is people tend to go one way or the other, which, depending on the person, can be too far, or too critical.

starman · Dec 17, 2006, 05:08 PM

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...uper-pic-orgy/

ghporter · Dec 17, 2006, 05:27 PM