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C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 17, 2006, 07:02 PM

Add a iSight into the 20 and 23" displays.

here are some sketches I made:

the_glassman · Dec 17, 2006, 07:09 PM

What's your paypal account? I'm going to send you money to buy a ruler and a straightedge!!!
But I think your idea is plausible.

nonhuman · Dec 17, 2006, 07:14 PM

I'm kinda surprised they haven't done it already. I imagine it will most likely be in the next revision.

Peter · Dec 17, 2006, 07:32 PM

what grade are you in CATS?

Mastrap · Dec 17, 2006, 07:35 PM

I think he's 14. Cut him some slack.

turtle777 · Dec 17, 2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

I think he's 14. Cut him some slack.

Handwriting doesn't show it

-t

C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 17, 2006, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Handwriting doesn't show it

-t

15. I know I have bad hand writing. I have a deformity in my hands (don't ask me how but thats what my doc said)

I'd figure Apple would add the abillity to disable the iSight if you have a iMac, a MB or MBP and visa versa

the_glassman · Dec 17, 2006, 07:57 PM

$hit I'm almost twice your age and your handwriting is better than mine. When you do all of your work on a computer you penmanship definitely suffers.

imitchellg5 · Dec 17, 2006, 07:59 PM

I'm a year older than you and my hand writing looks like yours. Bad handwriting happens.

turtle777 · Dec 17, 2006, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

15. I know I have bad hand writing.

Hey, you could still become a doctor

-t

OwlBoy · Dec 18, 2006, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Peter

what grade are you in CATS?

Is the like OWLS and NEWTS in Harry Potter?

-Owl

Dark Helmet · Dec 18, 2006, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

What would Helen Keller need with a monitor and iSight?

Teronzhul · Dec 18, 2006, 01:11 AM

Why were the sketches needed at all?

The idea itself is a fine one, but I'm sure we can all imagine approximately what an isight integrated into one of apples displays would look like assuming it followed their other products.

Nebagakid · Dec 18, 2006, 01:14 AM

the sketches were absolutely necessary

Nirotu · Dec 18, 2006, 01:32 AM

Ok, I'll try and stick to the topic unlike the others here who thought CATS handwriting was more important to critique.

Anyway, these are some pretty good ideas. Maybe the Isight can have bluetooth capability, that way you wont have another wire coming from the display. Just an idea, anyway, good thinking...

But.. where did you learn to write? I mean, I don't have perfect handwriting, but by the beard of Zues is yours horrendous!!!

C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 18, 2006, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Nirotu

Anyway, these are some pretty good ideas. Maybe the Isight can have bluetooth capability, that way you wont have another wire coming from the display. Just an idea, anyway, good thinking...

You wouldn't need another wire. it would use the fW400 cable or the USB cable

Nirotu · Dec 18, 2006, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

You wouldn't need another wire. it would use the fW400 cable or the USB cable

when i say wire, i mean cable...

gooser · Dec 18, 2006, 01:59 AM

i'm 55. my handwriting was a lot better at 15 than it is now.

gooser · Dec 18, 2006, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

15. I know I have bad hand writing. I have a deformity in my hands (don't ask me how but thats what my doc said)

I'd figure Apple would add the abillity to disable the iSight if you have a iMac, a MB or MBP and visa versa

don't believe those doctors! they never know what they're talking about.

Chuckit · Dec 18, 2006, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Nirotu

Anyway, these are some pretty good ideas. Maybe the Isight can have bluetooth capability, that way you wont have another wire coming from the display.

Consider how long it takes to transfer a low-res JPG from a cameraphone over Bluetooth. I don't think you're going to get 24 FPS at 640x480 out of that.

Naaaaak · Dec 18, 2006, 02:10 AM

What they need to do to make the display worth it is fix the goofy situation with the power brick. Monitors should not need power bricks. You could not have to rearrange your workspace so the cables can reach where they need to be, all for the purpose of having a single cord coming out of the back of the unit that no one will look at anyway.

Also add some ventilation (no more aesthetics over good engineering; things get hot and I'd prefer something that lasts longer as opposed to something that is a single piece of aluminum).

Also fix backlight bleed issues. Every 23" ACD I've used has had bad backlight bleed in one corner or another.

Also add a glossy option. I'm done with matte displays (although others like them so make this an option).

volcano · Dec 18, 2006, 02:11 AM

I'm assuming Apple might introduce new Cinema Displays at MWSF in January.

Why?

I work at my local Apple store, and we haven't received a new shipment of iSights in over a week. People keep asking for them on a daily basis, but we don't have any to offer. We get HUGE shipments Monday through Friday, too. Perhaps they'll add it to the displays and lower the price point of the external iSight? We'll see. Here's to hoping!

gooser · Dec 18, 2006, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Consider how long it takes to transfer a low-res JPG from a cameraphone over Bluetooth. I don't think you're going to get 24 FPS at 640x480 out of that.

what the hell does that have to do with handwriting?

Chuckit · Dec 18, 2006, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by gooser

what the hell does that have to do with handwriting?

Much like Bluetooth, some people can't both go quickly and produce good quality. (I'm one of them, sadly. My boss says I have "serial killer handwriting.")

gooser · Dec 18, 2006, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Much like Bluetooth, some people can't both go quickly and produce good quality. (I'm one of them, sadly. My boss says I have "serial killer handwriting.")

i'm glad you were able to tie this all together.

C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 18, 2006, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by volcano

I'm assuming Apple might introduce new Cinema Displays at MWSF in January.

Why?

I work at my local Apple store, and we haven't received a new shipment of iSights in over a week. People keep asking for them on a daily basis, but we don't have any to offer. We get HUGE shipments Monday through Friday, too. Perhaps they'll add it to the displays and lower the price point of the external iSight? We'll see. Here's to hoping!

I heard that Apple was having some sort of problem with the iSights. I read the reviews at the site and the stand a loan iSight looks like it sucks.

iMOTOR · Dec 18, 2006, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Naaaaak

What they need to do to make the display worth it is fix the goofy situation with the power brick. Monitors should not need power bricks.

I'm not a big fan of bricks either, but it would be difficult for Apple to run 120v AC through the same cable as video, USB, and FW. It would have to be a much thicker cable too. To me it's a fair trade off to have a brick but only one cable running to the display.

Originally Posted by Naaaaak

Also add a glossy option. I'm done with matte displays (although others like them so make this an option).

Many of the ACD owners are using them for high end graphics work where the glossy screens wouldn't make sense, so I don't think Apple would sell enough to make it worth it.

Peter · Dec 18, 2006, 03:30 AM

what you need is ....
ADC

Oversoul · Dec 18, 2006, 03:49 AM

But no iSight to the 30"?

If Apple's going to bother at all, they'll add iSight across their ACD line - you're paying a premium for each of them anyway.

And this iSight in ACD idea is nothing new. There was a lot of speculation about whether Apple would update their displays about 2 months back, fueled mostly because iSights were apparently hard to come by from the online Store and Retail stores. I'm sure there's still a lot of speculation. Makes sense given iSight implementation with iLife programs.

C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 18, 2006, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Oversoul

But no iSight to the 30"?

If Apple's going to bother at all, they'll add iSight across their ACD line - you're paying a premium for each of them anyway.

And this iSight in ACD idea is nothing new. There was a lot of speculation about whether Apple would update their displays about 2 months back, fueled mostly because iSights were apparently hard to come by from the online Store and Retail stores. I'm sure there's still a lot of speculation. Makes sense given iSight implementation with iLife programs.

it wouldn't make sense. The 30" is mostly used for professional apps that need HUGE amounts of screen real estate. no need for a iSight in that big of a display.

Peter · Dec 18, 2006, 04:16 AM

the iSight doesnt take up any screen real estate...

C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 18, 2006, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Peter

the iSight doesnt take up any screen real estate...

I know that. the display is too huge and only used for pro apps so there is no real need for iSight

Oversoul · Dec 18, 2006, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

I know that. the display is too huge and only used for pro apps so there is no real need for iSight

Since when was the 30" only used for pro apps?

That's the same reasoning being thrown around for why there's no Front Row on the Mac Pro and the argument just doesn't work. The consensus (even from the "Pros") seems to be that even pros kick back and relax once in a while.

And really, it could be said that a 23" is used for pro apps too. I know at least two people who use dual 23" ACDs for graphics and video work.

Peter · Dec 18, 2006, 04:37 AM

exactly.

C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 18, 2006, 05:11 AM

OMFG!!! I can't find the iSight on Apples site. It seems they aren't selling it anymore.

Do a search for "iSight" and you won't find the iSight.

Peter · Dec 18, 2006, 06:56 AM

*shrug*
who cares

C.A.T.S. CEO · Dec 18, 2006, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by Peter

*shrug*
who cares

I do.

Oversoul · Dec 18, 2006, 07:21 AM

OMFGWTFBBQ!?!?!1!1!!!!one!? You planning on buying an iSight right now?

MichiganRich · Dec 18, 2006, 09:35 AM

He wants to get the stand a loan won while he still can, I guess... :-)

Peter · Dec 18, 2006, 09:53 AM

how to make a $700 worth it...
Lower it by $200

Dark Helmet · Dec 18, 2006, 10:03 AM

I am waiting on a new 30" Apple display for when they do have built in iSights as the current ones are a bit of an eye sore.

My only concern is that the iSight needs to be somewhat adjustable independently of the display. With even my 20" LCD or MacBook i have to adjust the whole screen at poor viewing angles just so my image can be centered on screen.

G4ME · Dec 18, 2006, 10:38 AM

try sitting up straight

Dark Helmet · Dec 18, 2006, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by G4ME

try sitting up straight

Problem solved.

CheesePuff · Dec 18, 2006, 10:41 AM

What was the point of the drawing again? Couldn't you have just said add an iSight to the current display line up?

Most professionals don't care if they have some 640x480 camera built-in to their monitor.

Chuckit · Dec 18, 2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by CheesePuff

Most professionals don't care if they have some 640x480 camera built-in to their monitor.

Yeah, that's my thinking, too. A built-in camera makes sense for the all-in-ones, but for a computer where you're consciously choosing modularity and extensibility, you could just buy a freakin' iSight if you wanted one.

Salty · Dec 18, 2006, 12:25 PM

My hand writing, and my spelling when I use a pen are awful, I actually spell by muscle memory a lot.

IceEnclosure · Dec 18, 2006, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by MichiganRich

He wants to get the stand a loan won while he still can, I guess... :-)

I'd argue that the drawlings a loan make this thred a good won.

Doofy · Dec 18, 2006, 12:49 PM

My handwriting is so bad I can't even read what I'm writing as I'm actually writing it.

Anyways. Request denied. I don't want to have to fuss about making sure the iSight is off before I sit in front of the 'puter nekkid (as is the case now). No iSight, no fuss.

Dakar² · Dec 18, 2006, 01:01 PM

This thread makes my head hurt.

Salty · Dec 18, 2006, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

My handwriting is so bad I can't even read what I'm writing as I'm actually writing it.

Anyways. Request denied. I don't want to have to fuss about making sure the iSight is off before I sit in front of the 'puter nekkid (as is the case now). No iSight, no fuss.

Lil green light comes on if it's on, it's not a huge deal. Besides I doubt anyone wants to see you naked.