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DDT ad from the 1950s (Video)
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I saw this DDT ad from the 1950s on TV in a documentary.
I never realized they recommended painting your house with it and putting it all over your dog. 
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What's also interesting is that there is a huge push to re-legalize DDT - by none other than world health officials. Why? Because use of DDT to kill mosquitoes would decrease the number of deaths by malaria (the world's number one killer, I believe) to something like 20% of it's current levels.
The argument now is, would you rather save tens of thousands of lives, or make sure no bird eggs come out with thin shells?
I'm sure it's not that simple, but it's rare that you have a cause with it's main proponents completely switching around and now arguing the exact opposite of what they used to.
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I've seen funny ads where they have all these kids at picnic tables being sprayed with DDT. Pretty funny!
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Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane...whew! That's a mouthful.
I have been searching for about half an hour and I am trying to find out if OFF! or any other mosquito spray contained DDT. Can anyone help a brother out?
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I look there. Nothing about OFF!.
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When did OFF come out? They banned in it in 60s.
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Originally Posted by Railroader 
I have been searching for about half an hour and I am trying to find out if OFF! or any other mosquito spray contained DDT. Can anyone help a brother out?
No, OFF! does not contain DDT. The terrible thing about the Silient Spring movement against DDT is that after the industrialized world got mosquitos under control, DDT was banned, thus leaving the third world to suffer with awful mosquito borne diseases. In the name of protecting bird eggs, environmentalists doomed the poor in so many countries to be plagued for generations by horrific diseases. I took a course in entymology in college and wrote a paper on insect-vector diseases. Most of them are caused by mosquitos, and the details are truly disturbing. Malaria, which is just one of a number of terrible diseases transmitted by mosquitos, may be the cause of even greater suffering in Africa than AIDS.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac
No, OFF! does not contain DDT. The terrible thing about the Silient Spring movement against DDT is that after the industrialized world got mosquitos under control, DDT was banned, thus leaving the third world to suffer with awful mosquito borne diseases. In the name of protecting bird eggs, environmentalists doomed the poor in so many countries to be plagued for generations by horrific diseases. I took a course in entymology in college and wrote a paper on insect-vector diseases. Most of them are caused by mosquitos, and the details are truly disturbing. Malaria, which is just one of a number of terrible diseases transmitted by mosquitos, may be the cause of even greater suffering in Africa than AIDS.
You obviously didn't learn very much about DDT if you think it was banned merely because it affected bird eggs.
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OFF! contains DEET (or N,N-diethyl-3-methylbenzamide), not DDT. There are no studies that have linked DEET to just about anything. For something invented in 1946, sold to civilians in 1957, I am surprised that it has been proven to be harmful under normal use.
One thing is for sure, the stuff works.
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh
OFF! contains DEET (or N,N-diethyl-3-methylbenzamide), not DDT. There are not studies that have linked DEET to just about anything. For something invented in 1946, sold to civilians in 1957, I am surprised that it has been proven to be harmful under normal use.
One thing is for sure, the stuff works.
Ahhh... Deet, DDT. Easily confused.
Are you saying DEET is or isn't harmful [see bold]?
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Originally Posted by Kevin
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Are you saying DEET is or isn't harmful?
As far as I know, DEET, when used as directed, is safe. There are various reports of people dying after using products containing DEET, but everybody is allergic to something. Peanuts probably kill more.
One thing is for certain, DEET works in keeping mosquitos away.
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh
holy crap. I just had a laughing fit over that!
one thing to note with that picnic footage is that you're NOT seeing 100% DDT. That's mostly talcum powder that you see. Still it's amusing footage.
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The problem with DDT was its overwhelming success, and thus over use. It was used to delouse refugees, eliminate all sorts of insect borne diseases, etc. Overuse, such as on fields, is what caused the biggest problems (putting tons of the stuff into the environment), AND what affected so many different bird species (DDT builds up through a food chain, so predators got much higher doses through eating prey that had themselves eaten contaminated prey). Most people remember the bird egg issue because it was used as the "poster child" for the push to ban DDT; the other very harmful aspects of DDT use were too technical for the public to be able to get a handle on then, but causing the destruction of our national symbol, the bald eagle, was easy to grasp.
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Originally Posted by flabasha
The argument now is, would you rather save tens of thousands of lives, or make sure no bird eggs come out with thin shells?
The law of unintended consequences is a cruel beeyotch.
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Originally Posted by ghporter
The problem with DDT was its overwhelming success, and thus over use. It was used to delouse refugees, eliminate all sorts of insect borne diseases, etc. Overuse, such as on fields, is what caused the biggest problems (putting tons of the stuff into the environment), AND what affected so many different bird species (DDT builds up through a food chain, so predators got much higher doses through eating prey that had themselves eaten contaminated prey). Most people remember the bird egg issue because it was used as the "poster child" for the push to ban DDT; the other very harmful aspects of DDT use were too technical for the public to be able to get a handle on then, but causing the destruction of our national symbol, the bald eagle, was easy to grasp.
Yup. While I agree with the sentiment that DDT should not have been completely banned, it's clear it was not properly regulated in the 60s. The video in the first post illustrates that.
I will also note that it was still in use in the 70s in Africa, and it's in use there now as well in some places.
In addition, there are several compounds that can be used instead of DDT, although admittedly they cost more and hence are problematic for the poor countries (which need them the most).
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The banning of DDT was the result of a scare-mongering campaign of misinformation. The potential harm of DDT was far overstated.
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I'm sorry, that's junkscience.org, and it's published by Steven Milloy. Both are laughingstocks of any kind of reliable information sources whatsoever. You might as well give me information on abortion from a Baptist website.
There's certainly evidence to suggest that the "DDT scare" was overblown, but there was also tons of evidence that DDT was being used far too liberally, at the expense of thousands of smaller animals.
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I picked the Milloy article 'cause it's easy to read. Yeah, he's sketchy, but he's right on this issue.
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
I'm sorry, that's junkscience.org, and it's published by Steven Milloy. Both are laughingstocks of any kind of reliable information sources whatsoever.
Not really.
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My day never gets going until I eat a pound of DDT with my McGriddle.
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Originally Posted by RAILhead
My day never gets going until I eat a pound of DDT with my McGriddle.
Do you wash it down with a steaming cup of thalamahyde?
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Originally Posted by Kevin
Not really.
Really.
Thanks for the input, though.
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Originally Posted by Railroader
Do you wash it down with a steaming cup of thalamahyde?
Thalidomide.
BTW, the problem there was that it was used in pregnant women. It's not a bad drug otherwise.
I think that the experience with DDT and thalidomide tell us that testing in the 50s and 60s sucked.
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