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::maroma:: · Feb 22, 2007, 11:17 AM

Some of you may have seen this on Gizmodo today, but I thought I'd post it here for those who didn't.

This is apparently a CGI image of the famous Korean actress Song Hye Kyo. I can't believe how real it looks. I'm not sure if there was a ton of post processing (airbrushing and such) from the actual 3D rendered image, but even if so, its pretty amazing.

"Making of" page.

Now if they can just get the animations to look just like human movements, with all of our weird subtleties, we wouldn't need any more Tom Cruise's!

centerchannel68 · Feb 22, 2007, 11:24 AM

Asians are easy. Try doing that with someone who has eyes that express emotion.

starman · Feb 22, 2007, 11:33 AM

The hair is a dead giveaway.

Kerrigan · Feb 22, 2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Asians are easy. Try doing that with someone who has eyes that express emotion.

::maroma:: · Feb 22, 2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by starman

The hair is a dead giveaway.

True, the hair is the easiest thing to see that is CGI. Other than that, it looks like a nicely airbrushed photograph.

Asians are easy. Try doing that with someone who has eyes that express emotion.

LOL, classic.

Dakar² · Feb 22, 2007, 12:09 PM

The fabric screams CGI to me.

torsoboy · Feb 22, 2007, 12:29 PM

Looks like the real thing to me. Guess I am easily fooled.

sek929 · Feb 22, 2007, 12:37 PM

It's to bad we can't evaluate the CGI cleavage.

lpkmckenna · Feb 22, 2007, 12:41 PM

I've seen the future: CG-Porn.

RAILhead · Feb 22, 2007, 03:16 PM

centerchannel68 · Feb 22, 2007, 05:15 PM

As far as I know, it's been relatively easy to make realistic looking CG images for a while now. The really hard part is the animations... so they don't look too stiff, too lose, and the distortions of hair in the wind, being brushed, fabric distortions and draperies, and facial contortions. Most CG characters are either aliens or monsters, because we can't really say it 'looks fake' because nobody sees them in real life. Try watching that final fantasy movie. All the still shots look great. But in action, none of them really show emotion, and their faces barely ever change much.

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 22, 2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Asians are easy. Try doing that with someone who has eyes that express emotion.

Ok that was pretty mean but really funny.

That image still looks totally CG to me and it is just a still shot.

starman · Feb 22, 2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

As far as I know, it's been relatively easy to make realistic looking CG images for a while now. The really hard part is the animations... so they don't look too stiff, too lose, and the distortions of hair in the wind, being brushed, fabric distortions and draperies, and facial contortions. Most CG characters are either aliens or monsters, because we can't really say it 'looks fake' because nobody sees them in real life. Try watching that final fantasy movie. All the still shots look great. But in action, none of them really show emotion, and their faces barely ever change much.

You should watch Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. Some damn nice stuff in there.

centerchannel68 · Feb 23, 2007, 10:46 AM

Well apparently even though everybody who responded to my comment thought it was funny, WHICH IT WAS INTENDED TO BE, "GHPORTER" felt it necessary to give me a warning for being 'culturally insensative'. Freaking great. I don't have the time, but if anybody is bored, and was amused by my comment, I urge you to report as many 'culturally insensative' posts as possible.

Chuckit · Feb 23, 2007, 11:44 AM

Deep, cleansing breaths.

SSharon · Feb 23, 2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Well apparently even though everybody who responded to my comment thought it was funny, WHICH IT WAS INTENDED TO BE, "GHPORTER" felt it necessary to give me a warning for being 'culturally insensative'. Freaking great. I don't have the time, but if anybody is bored, and was amused by my comment, I urge you to report as many 'culturally insensative' posts as possible.

yes it was funny, yes someone might get offended. next time just add a smiley or disclaimer of some kind.

MindFad · Feb 23, 2007, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Well apparently even though everybody who responded to my comment thought it was funny, WHICH IT WAS INTENDED TO BE, "GHPORTER" felt it necessary to give me a warning for being 'culturally insensative'. Freaking great. I don't have the time, but if anybody is bored, and was amused by my comment, I urge you to report as many 'culturally insensative' posts as possible.

Digital, BTW. The hair is the main giveaway. But that is awesome.

Sherman Homan · Feb 23, 2007, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Well apparently even though everybody who responded to my comment thought it was funny, WHICH IT WAS INTENDED TO BE, "GHPORTER" felt it necessary to give me a warning for being 'culturally insensative'. Freaking great. I don't have the time, but if anybody is bored, and was amused by my comment, I urge you to report as many 'culturally insensative' posts as possible.

Emoticons are your friend. Text doesn't convey humor very well at times. I don't think starting a mod war is going to help...

Dakar² · Feb 23, 2007, 01:01 PM

His level of absurdity was a dead giveaway, if just knowing who posted it wasn't enough.

analogue SPRINKLES · Feb 23, 2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

His level of absurdity was a dead giveaway, if just knowing who posted it wasn't enough.

No matter what smiley or "just kidding" was at the end someone would have still reported it.

SSharon · Feb 23, 2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

No matter what smiley or "just kidding" was at the end someone would have still reported it.

yes, but then I would be blaming them for having no sense of humor instead of blaming rob (not that I am really blaming you btw).

centerchannel68 · Feb 23, 2007, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

His level of absurdity was a dead giveaway, if just knowing who posted it wasn't enough.

Yeah, I know! Also, I don't know how the hell my comment was 'culturally insensitive'. If anything, it was RACIALLY insensative, but I wasn't aware that being 'sensitive' was a requirement around here.

It's called deadpan humor. Adding a smiley would just make it cheesy. The absurdity of the comment was what made it hilarious.

d4nth3m4n · Feb 23, 2007, 06:50 PM

the hair ain't right.

Velocity211 · Feb 23, 2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Asians are easy. Try doing that with someone who has eyes that express emotion.

yeah i know it was a joke but still....

Tiresias · 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Well apparently even though everybody who responded to my comment thought it was funny, WHICH IT WAS INTENDED TO BE, "GHPORTER" felt it necessary to give me a warning for being 'culturally insensative'. Freaking great. I don't have the time, but if anybody is bored, and was amused by my comment, I urge you to report as many 'culturally insensative' posts as possible.

While it was insensitive, that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that it was ignorant. The presumption the joke was based on is a classic example of an outgroup blind-spot.

Do you really want to be promulgating negative racial stereotypes?

According to the outgroup homogeneity bias, individuals see members of their own group as being relatively more varied than members of other groups.

Outgroup homogeneity bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dakar² · Feb 23, 2007, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

What bothers me is that it was ignorant. The presumption the joke was based on is a classic example of an outgroup blind-spot.

Do you really want to be promulgating negative racial stereotypes?

That's what makes it funny!

Chuckit · Feb 23, 2007, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

While it was insensitive, that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that it was ignorant. The presumption the joke was based on is a classic example of an outgroup blind-spot.

Do you really want to be promulgating negative racial stereotypes?

Do you really want to promote the idea that a jokey comment like this is an example of racism? It's things like this — lumping harmless jokes in with firing somebody for having the wrong color skin — that make people not take actual racism seriously. They hear "racism" and immediately think, "Oh, that's just some bleeding heart. There's no actual problem."

Choose your battles.

Tiresias · Feb 23, 2007, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Do you really want to promote the idea that a jokey comment like this is an example of racism?

"Jokey comment" ? Come on. Let's call a spade a spade. That was a racist joke, based on a negative racial stereotype.

Originally Posted by Chuckit

It's things like this — lumping harmless jokes in with firing somebody for having the wrong color skin — that make people not take actual racism seriously. They hear "racism" and immediately think, "Oh, that's just some bleeding heart. There's no actual problem."

I'm not sure what you mean, but just becase there are worse forms of racism doesn't mean we should overlook lesser forms. If something is racist, then, by definition, it is offensive to a race. A racist joke about Asians is offensive to Asians. Therefore, it should not be tolerated.

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Choose your battles.

My wife is Korean.

Chuckit · 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

"Jokey comment" ? Come on. Let's call a spade a spade. That was a racist joke, based on a negative racial stereotype.

Given that it is not meant seriously, does it actually cause damage? Does it actually promote any negative stereotypes? If my best friend (who's Japanese, by the way) suggests I suck at basketball because I'm white, should I get up in arms even though she doesn't actually believe this or have any hatred towards me because of my race?

Honestly, I just think accusing people of racism when we have no evidence that they actually look down on other races is like crying wolf. Eventually people become numb to it and the real racists can flourish.

Visnaut · Feb 23, 2007, 11:08 PM

A lot of things sort of jump out at me from that picture as being CGI: The hair and fabric as others have pointed out, and the eyes and skin being too matte, and lifeless. Looks like he's got some specific material plugins for those.

Apart from that, it also suffers from what a lot of photoreal work does: too much emphasis on perfection. The global illumination and focus in this image are FAR too perfect, way more perfect than a real studio and camera would produce.

One thing this is though, is very well modelled. It's a very clean mesh by the looks of it. Fiddling with the texturing, lighting, and camera would produce even better results.

Tiresias · Feb 23, 2007, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Given that it is not meant seriously, does it actually cause damage? Does it actually promote any negative stereotypes? If my best friend (who's Japanese, by the way) suggests I suck at basketball because I'm white, should I get up in arms even though she doesn't actually believe this or have any hatred towards me because of my race?

Honestly, I just think accusing people of racism when we have no evidence that they actually look down on other races is like crying wolf. Eventually people become numb to it and the real racists can flourish.

Jokes between friends of different races are different: Sometimes you can "make light" of racism by making flippant racist jokes because both parties are secure in the knowledge of each other's respect, and know where they stand.

But even with friends, there is a risk of causing offence.

In the public domain it is better to err on the side of caution.

Tiresias · Feb 23, 2007, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

That's what makes it funny!

I don't know many Asians would find it funny.

It's an in-joke for non-Asians who share the outgroup blindspot of thinking Asian eyes express less emotion that those of non-Asians.

It's not that big a deal. I just don't think stupid racial stereotypes should be passed off as harmless jokes.

Buckaroo · Feb 23, 2007, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Asians are easy. Try doing that with someone who has eyes that express emotion.

OUCH!!!!

centerchannel68 · Feb 23, 2007, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

While it was insensitive, that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that it was ignorant.

Question. Do you find this image funny?

Please answer honestly.

centerchannel68 · Feb 23, 2007, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

"Jokey comment" ? Come on. Let's call a spade a spade. That was a racist joke, based on a negative racial stereotype.

I'm not sure what you mean, but just becase there are worse forms of racism doesn't mean we should overlook lesser forms. If something is racist, then, by definition, it is offensive to a race. A racist joke about Asians is offensive to Asians. Therefore, it should not be tolerated.

My wife is Korean.

Incorrect. It was in fact not a racist joke, because I did not mean it with any harm, and I know full well what being a racist is, and that I am not one. The joke was ABOUT racists. It was mocking racism. That is where the humor is. The same reason this is funny:

http://thetravisty.com/Chappelles_Sh...upremacist.htm

Maybe you need a sense of humor. If you're offended, you need help. I'll try to talk you through it. Ignorant... people.... are..... stupid.... and ... intelligent... people.... make.....fun... of... how.....dumb.... they... are....

Do you understand? My best friend in High School was from Nepal. My boss and basically '2nd father figure' in my life was Japanese. You're barking up the wrong tree.

centerchannel68 · Feb 23, 2007, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

Jokes between friends of different races are different: Sometimes you can "make light" of racism by making flippant racist jokes because both parties are secure in the knowledge of each other's respect, and know where they stand.

But even with friends, there is a risk of causing offence.

In the public domain it is better to err on the side of caution.

I think you just have sand in your vagina. Oh, and that was a reference to a sexist remark made by Cartman, a character on Southpark. Please don't ever watch that show ever, I think your head would explode.

centerchannel68 · Feb 23, 2007, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

I don't know many Asians would find it funny.

It's an in-joke for non-Asians who share the outgroup blindspot of thinking Asian eyes express less emotion that those of non-Asians.

It's not that big a deal. I just don't think stupid racial stereotypes should be passed off as harmless jokes.

I know many non-racists would find it funny.

It's an in-joke for non-racists who share the thinking that racists are retarded and should be parodied and made fun of because their delusions are completely retarded to that of non-racists.

It's not that big of a deal. I just don't think hilarious parodies of racists should be passed off as harmful insults.

butterfly0fdoom · Feb 24, 2007, 12:00 AM

Just because you have that background doesn't mean your words aren't offensive. I'm Asian. I find your comment VERY offensive. It doesn't matter how many Asian people you know. It may not offend them, but it does offend others. I don't need a sense of humor. You need a sense of decency.

Personally, I've never found racial jokes of any kind funny. Someone is going to be offended, regardless of the nature behind the joke.

It doesn't matter if you intended harm or not. If harm was done, whether inadvertently or not, trying to further defend yourself is the dumbest thing to do.

centerchannel68 · Feb 24, 2007, 12:06 AM

Well I'm sorry you're offended. Hopefully some day, at some point, you'll be able to laugh at things like this:

Chappelle's Show : Black White Supremacist @ theTravisty

Until then, please continue to get upset over things that weren't meant to harm anybody and generally devalue what is actually racist until nobody listens to you. Good luck!

Tiresias · Feb 24, 2007, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by butterfly0fdoom

Just because you have that background doesn't mean your words aren't offensive. I'm Asian. I find your comment VERY offensive. It doesn't matter how many Asian people you know. It may not offend them, but it does offend others. I don't need a sense of humor. You need a sense of decency.

Personally, I've never found racial jokes of any kind funny. Someone is going to be offended, regardless of the nature behind the joke.

It doesn't matter if you intended harm or not. If harm was done, whether inadvertently or not, trying to further defend yourself is the dumbest thing to do.

I agree with butterfly0fdoom, and his feelings suffice to prove that centerchannel68's comments were wrong.

Chuckit · Feb 24, 2007, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by butterfly0fdoom

Just because you have that background doesn't mean your words aren't offensive. I'm Asian. I find your comment VERY offensive. It doesn't matter how many Asian people you know. It may not offend them, but it does offend others. I don't need a sense of humor. You need a sense of decency.

Personally, I've never found racial jokes of any kind funny. Someone is going to be offended, regardless of the nature behind the joke.

Find me a joke that offends nobody and I'll show you a joke that ain't funny. Jokes almost invariably play off expectations and stereotypes, whether warranted or not.

Originally Posted by butterfly0fdoom

It doesn't matter if you intended harm or not. If harm was done, whether inadvertently or not, trying to further defend yourself is the dumbest thing to do.

Harm? My curiosity is piqued. Please explain this harm that's been done here.

monkeybrain · Feb 24, 2007, 03:25 AM

He's offended, that is harm, whether you believe he should have been offended or not. The correct thing to do would be to apologise before going on to defend the joke.

To me, the joke is certainly verging on racism and just weird, Asian eyes are supposed to not be as expressive? I don't even know how a racist stereotype like that could start.

angelmb · Feb 24, 2007, 05:38 AM

This is a proper CGI…

hint: Stratified-Charged Gasoline Injection, tech developed by Mercedes-Benz 53 years ago.

Goldfinger · Feb 24, 2007, 06:10 AM

Wow, she looks exactly like my ex-gf. Scary ****. I hate that bitch.

Cipher13 · Feb 24, 2007, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by monkeybrain

He's offended, that is harm, whether you believe he should have been offended or not. The correct thing to do would be to apologise before going on to defend the joke.

To me, the joke is certainly verging on racism and just weird, Asian eyes are supposed to not be as expressive? I don't even know how a racist stereotype like that could start.

It was a bloody joke.

People that are easily offended should be, IMO.

Dakar² · Feb 24, 2007, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

I don't know many Asians would find it funny.

Well, I happen to work one of them. I always get pissed when he beats me to a good asian joke.

Eug · Feb 24, 2007, 10:13 AM

I'm still surprised that Ca$h hasn't been banned yet.

centerchannel68 · Feb 24, 2007, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by monkeybrain

He's offended, that is harm, whether you believe he should have been offended or not. The correct thing to do would be to apologise before going on to defend the joke.

Okay, now chew on this:

I'm offended that he didn't find my joke about stereotypes/bigots/racists funny. I am being 100% serious. I am offended that someone is that uptight, and decides to make my joke into a personal attack. I feel harmed and attacked because of the way he's attacking my joke.

I'm seriously not bullshitting you. I am offended by these thin-skinned people who can't take a joke and choose to get upset over something that was meant to be humorous, people like that piss me off and offend me and make me upset.

I have already said I am sorry he was offended, but seeing as how I'm now offended by people who devalue racism and choose to complain about things like this, don't you think I should now get an apology from them?

centerchannel68 · Feb 24, 2007, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Harm? My curiosity is piqued. Please explain this harm that's been done here.

A bunch of whiny cry-babies felt like complaining and getting offended by something that was making fun of the very thing they're offended by, thus ruining everyone else's light-hearted, humorous conversation.

That's the harm that's been done.

Plus now everyone is going to run around being offended by each other, calling each other racists, and not be able to tell any jokes because someone might be offended by it. YAY! Good job fellas! You got me! I'm a stone-cold racist! I hate the japs! Yep! Those slant-eyes aren't really humans, they all drive horribly also! And they love math!

Give me a break.

centerchannel68 · Feb 24, 2007, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Tiresias

I agree with butterfly0fdoom, and his feelings suffice to prove that centerchannel68's comments were wrong.

And YOOOUUUU still haven't answered my question.

Originally Posted by Tiresias
While it was insensitive, that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is that it was ignorant.

Do you find this image funny?

Please answer honestly.