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macintologist · Mar 10, 2007, 03:20 PM

I was looking at this graph

Image:DST.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was thinking, why not just stick to DST forever instead of switching back and forth between DST and standard?

The common argument is.. oh noes the kids will go to school when it's dark!!!!

Then make school go from 9 to 4!!! Geeeeez. The gall of some people :rolleyes:

mac128k-1984 · Mar 10, 2007, 03:27 PM

I think the idea is (supposedly) two fold, one is have the later times lighter so that people are willing to go and shop/spend money etc and the second reason is energy conservation so by changing back to standard time, the people will have less need to turn the heat on or turn the lights on thus using less energy.

I basically don't think we should have any dst, just stay on standard time but they didn't ask me when they changed the laws. This change in the law has meant that I had to work a number of weekends to patch the servers and I'll be working tomorrow making sure that everything is cool, oh did I mentioned I don't get paid over-time.

macintologist · Mar 10, 2007, 03:31 PM

I get your point. I mean why not just change your schedules instead of forcing everyone else to change time. You want it to be lighter later? Then get up earlier. Have businesses start earlier, etc.

mac128k-1984 · Mar 10, 2007, 03:38 PM

Its not that you want lighter, its the fact that people get out of work at the same time (5:00pm) and if you can prevent them from turning on lightbulbs because its still bright out then you're saving energy. Not everyone has the opportunity to work flexible hours and so they have little choice about having it lighter.

I hear what you're saying but with energy conservation in mind it makes more sense to keep changing the time. There's also an economic benefit that people are willing to go out (and spend) when its light out so it aides the economy (I've heard this argument but I have no statistics to back it up so take that for its worth).

All in all I agree with you, lets stick with one time but there does seem to be some logic behind DST. If memory serves me (and it usually doesn't) Ben Franklin was the first to propose daylight savings.

macintologist · Mar 10, 2007, 04:04 PM

He wasn't serious about it though, he just joked about the idea. People got serious about it during the.... *drum roll*, "Progressive" Era, where all brilliant ideas were born like prohibition, eugenics

Macola · Mar 10, 2007, 09:07 PM

I've yet to see solid numbers that implementing DST actually saves energy. If anyone has a source, let me know.

alex_kac · Mar 11, 2007, 10:05 PM

I think with all the messed up meetings, screwed up clocks, and so on DST causes more energy expenditures especially when Congress changes it so that server techs and normal business people are having to work an extra 2 hours a day to make sure all is good on their electronics. Not me personally, but I have gotten SO much negative feedback from people I know regarding this change in 2007.

OreoCookie · Mar 13, 2007, 07:32 AM

This is not really about OS X …

alligator · Mar 13, 2007, 07:35 AM

I had three DST bugs. Two cars did not update correctly, even with GPS and one website locked me out from submitting a form.

I think changing time is pointless. Pick a time and everyone will adjust.

Dakar² · Mar 13, 2007, 08:03 AM

CHanging schedules is just as retarded as changing the actual time. The entire point of not wanting to go through DST is so you don't have to make some type of adjustment twice a year.

starman · Mar 13, 2007, 08:10 AM

DST never bothered me. It's nice to be outside at 10pm in the summer when it's not 100% dark yet.

Dakar² · Mar 13, 2007, 08:18 AM

I think everyone here likes DST, just not the change back.

zro · Mar 13, 2007, 09:35 AM

**** DST. It keeps the cooler part of the day from coming sooner. We're looking at 90 degrees by the end of the week. You think I want another hour of that or what comes mid summer? Hell no.

Doofy · Mar 13, 2007, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I think everyone here likes DST

No. I can't be doing with it.

Dakar² · Mar 13, 2007, 09:45 AM

Do they even do it in the UK?

Doofy · Mar 13, 2007, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Do they even do it in the UK?

http://wwp.britishsummertime.co.uk/

Dakar² · Mar 13, 2007, 09:50 AM

So how does it bother you?

Doofy · Mar 13, 2007, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

So how does it bother you?

I like dark evenings. Makes it feel more like it's the evening rather than the day.

Plus, of course, all the hippies are into permanent DST. So, on the grounds that anything which they like must be ill-conceived, I'm obliged to oppose.

centerchannel68 · Mar 13, 2007, 10:00 AM

I'm pretty sure the whole idea is bunk, because people use more energy at their houses after 5pm anyway, so if it was lighter out they'd use less light and less heat. Thus, saving the world.

Dakar² · Mar 13, 2007, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

I like dark evenings. Makes it feel more like it's the evening rather than the day.

I'll tell you that used the confuse the **** out of me as a kid.

Originally Posted by Doofy

Plus, of course, all the hippies are into permanent DST. So, on the grounds that anything which they like must be ill-conceived, I'm obliged to oppose.

Hippies like free love. Enjoy your celibacy.

olePigeon · Mar 13, 2007, 11:56 AM

Adjust it 30 minutes and be done with it.

macintologist · Mar 13, 2007, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

I like dark evenings. Makes it feel more like it's the evening rather than the day.

Plus, of course, all the hippies are into permanent DST. So, on the grounds that anything which they like must be ill-conceived, I'm obliged to oppose.

LOL I think DST is an issue that sure isn't going to rattle any partisan cages

osiris · Mar 13, 2007, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by macintologist

LOL I think DST is an issue that sure isn't going to rattle any partisan cages

Come on - you don't want the Terrorists to win, do you?

Doofy · Mar 13, 2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Hippies like free love.

It's only free if you've already got a stock of flea treatments in.

Doofy · Mar 13, 2007, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by macintologist

LOL I think DST is an issue that sure isn't going to rattle any partisan cages

Strangely enough, the DST argument does tend to fall along party lines here. It's to do with non-DST being GMT (the traditional British empirical measure) and DST being more like CET (which would tie us closer into Europe).

Odd, but true.

Dakar² · Mar 13, 2007, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

It's only free if you've already got a stock of flea treatments in.

Sure, sure.

tie · Mar 13, 2007, 05:59 PM

The transition is too abrupt. It should really be, for example, a minute a day for two months. Or two to three seconds every hour for a similar period.

Eriamjh · Mar 17, 2007, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by tie

The transition is too abrupt. It should really be, for example, a minute a day for two months. Or two to three seconds every hour for a similar period.

Yeah. That's easy to keep track of.

I love DST. I with standard time was bumped up two hours so in the spring, we actually drop out clocks back instead of forward.

In other words, let it star dark in the winter until 10 AM. I want the light at the end of the day.

SVass · Mar 17, 2007, 01:54 PM

Clocks were standardized between towns so that trains could be scheduled. Now we schedule tv shows. The latter will go away when tv becomes available over the internet (except for the control freaks who need a scheduled life). The train/plane schedule will also disappear as terrorist fears and passenger searches make such schedules irrelevant and you have to plan your trip months in advance and show up early for cat scans.

After you retire you quit checking the time. And for movies...I just bought Borat from Amazon. Watching on my HDTV is more peaceful and less costly than going to a theater. sam

Dork. · Mar 17, 2007, 02:28 PM

It's actually part of your retirement plan. The Social Security Administration taking all the extra hours of daylight we save during Daylight Savings time and putting it into a Lockbox. Then, when you retire and are in the twilight of your life, you will get an additional sunshine benefit based on however many hours of daylight you saved while working under DST, minus the "cloudy-day" gap in coverage between 400 and 4,000 hours.

But this only applies if Bush's tax cuts are made permanent, because otherwise the sunset clause kicks in, and the DST lockbox gets raided for use in the Congressional tanning salon.

I hear the UK govermnent is using the saved daylight to illuminate the field of view of their CCTV cameras that are always watching you.....

ink · Mar 17, 2007, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

In other words, let it star dark in the winter until 10 AM. I want the light at the end of the day.

Standard time sucks; all the daylight happens while I'm at the office.