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Salty · Mar 27, 2007, 04:00 PM

Well Adobe's announced it, sure there's a thread in the software forum but it's not getting much activity. So, anyone terribly excited about these? If Adobe has given the same interface changes they've made to Photoshop to some of my favourite Macromedia apps I think I'm going to be quite pleased

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 27, 2007, 04:05 PM

I am happy more to get my mits on the new fireworks and dreamweaver which were always rather buggy and didn't play nice with Photoshop.

::maroma:: · Mar 27, 2007, 04:14 PM

I'm happy my place of employment is buying our copies and I am no longer a freelancer so I don't have to fork over that much cash. The top suite is $2500. Wowzers!!

I'm excited though. I really really hope they made some big improvements with Illustrator. <crosses fingers>

Doofy · Mar 27, 2007, 04:31 PM

Are they upgrading GoLive? Including it? Anyone know?

Jawbone54 · Mar 27, 2007, 04:34 PM

I've been wondering about the future of GoLive as well. Not that I would mind if it was trashed completely...

I'll be waiting for everyone else's impressions. There's no way I can afford it now anyways.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 27, 2007, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Are they upgrading GoLive? Including it? Anyone know?

It is dead, as is imageready. Dreamweaver and Fireworks are the replacements. I'm happy about that.

Doofy · Mar 27, 2007, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

It is dead, as is imageready. Dreamweaver and Fireworks are the replacements.

Meh. That sucks.

Salty · Mar 27, 2007, 04:58 PM

Image Ready is dead? Hmmm guess that makes sense. Not a huge deal Fireworks was a better product. Did image ready do nothing that Fireworks doesn't already do?

That said I'm really excited to see how they handled Dreamweaver and Fireworks.

Angus_D · Mar 27, 2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

It is dead, as is imageready. Dreamweaver and Fireworks are the replacements. I'm happy about that.

Uh, Adobe has said that GoLive 9 will be available in "late Spring 2007" as a separate product.

Doofy · Mar 27, 2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Angus_D

Uh, Adobe has said that GoLive 9 will be available in "late Spring 2007" as a separate product.

Yay! That doesn't suck.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 27, 2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Angus_D

Uh, Adobe has said that GoLive 9 will be available in "late Spring 2007" as a separate product.

Well they better get cracking and get the word out as it isn't even included in the $2500 premium package.

http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/

P.s. What does it do so much better over DW anyway?

Doofy · Mar 27, 2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

P.s. What does it do so much better over DW anyway?

It sits on Doof's computer better.

indigoimac · Mar 27, 2007, 05:26 PM

I'm personally very excited, InDesign and Dreamweaver have been a bit of an agony on my intel iMac, Photoshop CS3 beta is the only thing keeping me sane, lol

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 27, 2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

It sits on Doof's computer better.

No seriously. I have always found Golives HTML code generation to be a total mess and it was rather difficult to work with.

Doofy · Mar 27, 2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

No seriously. I have always found Golives HTML code generation to be a total mess and it was rather difficult to work with.

No seriously. I just like using GoLive a lot more than DW.

Anyways, lest we poop all over this thread...

Salty · Mar 27, 2007, 06:55 PM

I look forward to being able to use Fireworks and Photoshop in a more seamless fashion. As well, this whole package will be pretty good to pick up once I start planting a Church pretty soon. InDesign and Photoshop for print, news letters, class material etc, Dreamweaver and Fireworks for web design, layout etc, Premier Pro for any video material we need to do. Really I could see myself somewhat regularly over the course of a year using all these programs.

Visnaut · Mar 27, 2007, 09:31 PM

Flash CS3 is the best upgrade to Flash in a long time. MX to 2004 to 8 were all rather ho-hum compared to this release, except perhaps for the Actionscript side of things.

Now not only does it have AS3, but it has substantial improvements to the interface, the drawing tools (it finally looks like it'll have REAL bezier editing tools), and much tighter integration with photoshop and illustrator.

I'm really looking forward to it!

olePigeon · Mar 27, 2007, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Visnaut

Flash CS3 is the best upgrade to Flash in a long time. MX to 2004 to 8 were all rather ho-hum compared to this release, except perhaps for the Actionscript side of things.

Flash will still be slow as snot on a Mac. I'd imagine it'll be at least CS5 before Adobe makes it run adequately.

DeathToWindows · Mar 28, 2007, 06:54 AM

I was rather happy to see the effort towards handling scientific images in PS Extended - DICOM and MATLAB image compatablility are nice.

I'm just hoping that BU gets a good deal with Adobe again... we've been able to get CS2 (the full suite) for $220

mac128k-1984 · Mar 28, 2007, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Flash will still be slow as snot on a Mac.

I don't know about you but my snot runs pretty quick

Visnaut · Mar 28, 2007, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Flash will still be slow as snot on a Mac. I'd imagine it'll be at least CS5 before Adobe makes it run adequately.

I would imagine that having the CS3 interface transplanted into Flash would have some benefits in terms of performance.

Not to mention those on Intel Macs will almost surely see a step up in that regard.

The functional benefits of being more closely integrated with Illustrator and Photoshop and the drawing tool improvements are already worth it for me, regardless of performance improvements.

mdc · Mar 28, 2007, 11:34 AM

I hope photoshop patterns will be able to be used in Fireworks.
If they can right now please tell me how to import them into Fireworks since I can't get them to work.

I'm interested in seeing what they have done with Fireworks CS3 since that's what I use 99% of the time.

analogue SPRINKLES · Mar 28, 2007, 11:45 AM

So have they made the copy protection any nastier this time or same old same old?

mitchell_pgh · Mar 28, 2007, 11:46 AM

I just hope they really go over Illustrator. It is a dog...

Richard

mac128k-1984 · Mar 28, 2007, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

So have they made the copy protection any nastier this time or same old same old?

Given that the price for the suite is pretty steep, I'd guess at a bare minimum that its as tough as before and I'm sure they've employed a few more "tricks" in an attempt to thwart piracy.

olePigeon · Mar 28, 2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by mac128k-1984

I don't know about you but my snot runs pretty quick

Let me put it this way: I can run a Google or YouTube video full screen on a 600 MHz PIII. But on a 1.8GHz G4, nope. Won't run full screen because it stutters and eventually stops because it can't do it. Hell, my G4 can barely run YouTube at normal size.

Flash is slooooooow under OS X.

::maroma:: · Mar 28, 2007, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Let me put it this way: I can run a Google or YouTube video full screen on a 600 MHz PIII. But on a 1.8GHz G4, nope. Won't run full screen because it stutters and eventually stops because it can't do it. Hell, my G4 can barely run YouTube at normal size.

Flash is slooooooow under OS X.

I've never had that problem on similar or even slower Macs.

olePigeon · Mar 28, 2007, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by ::maroma::

I've never had that problem on similar or even slower Macs.

I've only encountered that problem with every single Mac I've used. At my work we had a mixture of eMacs and PowerMacs. Slow on every one of them. Slow on my PowerBook 1.67 as well, and my bro's 1.5 PowerBook. YouTube and Google play at about 10 fps on my 450Mhz G4 at home.

Flash is just slow.

RAILhead · Mar 28, 2007, 01:06 PM

I hate 99% of Flash, but 99% of it runs just fine on all my Macs.

Salty · Mar 28, 2007, 01:23 PM

I've never been dissatisfied with flash. What videos are you watching? Stuff like Homestar when I used to watch it were always fine. I played a FLV in NicePlayer a while ago Full screen and it ran as good as any of the other codecs I used.

Chuckit · Mar 28, 2007, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by mac128k-1984

Given that the price for the suite is pretty steep, I'd guess at a bare minimum that its as tough as before and I'm sure they've employed a few more "tricks" in an attempt to thwart piracy.

Piracy protection is the main reason I'm not going to buy this crap.

voodoo · Mar 28, 2007, 02:02 PM

Excited over Adobe adding more bloat to their software? No, not really. The only thing this thing has going for it is Intel support.

Something even Quark delivered a year ago.

V

mac128k-1984 · Mar 28, 2007, 02:13 PM

All kidding aside I too am eagerly CS3, though I'll only spring for photoshop - I don't think I can afford the full blown suite even at upgrade prices.

Railroader · Mar 28, 2007, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Excited over Adobe adding more bloat to their software? No, not really. The only thing this thing has going for it is Intel support.

Something even Quark delivered a year ago.

V

You have obviously not used the CS3 beta.

RAILhead · Mar 28, 2007, 02:34 PM

I LOVE the new Smart Filter, Black and White control, and Curves.

::maroma:: · Mar 28, 2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Excited over Adobe adding more bloat to their software? No, not really. The only thing this thing has going for it is Intel support.

Something even Quark delivered a year ago.

V

QUARK LOVER!!

(i kid)

Angus_D · Mar 28, 2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Well they better get cracking and get the word out as it isn't even included in the $2500 premium package.

It's going to be a separate package.

Salty · Mar 28, 2007, 04:14 PM

I'll say CS3 feels a lot LESS bloated than CS2 did. At least Photoshop does. can't speak to the other apps, but they made some really nice interface changes. It feels a lot better thought out a lot of the time. There are still some things where you feel like Adobe really doesn't respect the whole Mac interface idea... at the same time I am inclined sometimes to wonder i their ideas aren't better.

greenamp · Mar 28, 2007, 05:46 PM

I'm still on CS so CS3 will be a nice upgrade for me. Preordered the Design Standard Edition from Acedemic Superstore ($390). Can't wait for ID CS3.

Don Pickett · Mar 28, 2007, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

I just hope they really go over Illustrator. It is a dog...

Richard

I wish they'd take it behind the barn and shoot it.

I still have my 5.5 install floppies. . .

greenamp · Mar 28, 2007, 10:32 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned this yet...

worst package design ever.

Brien · Mar 28, 2007, 10:50 PM

I'm not terribly jazzed at 2 versions of PS, nor the new pricing, but this looks like a new version I'd actually buy - I skipped CS2.

brokenjago · Mar 29, 2007, 03:08 AM

I think the packages are rather snazzy, actually.

I like colors.

::maroma:: · Mar 29, 2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by brokenjago

I think the packages are rather snazzy, actually.

I like colors.

I agree, I like the package design. Its eye catching and will stand out among the sea of software boxes on the shelves.

Anyone know what the icons look like?

Chuckit · Mar 29, 2007, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ::maroma::

I agree, I like the package design. Its eye catching and will stand out among the sea of software boxes on the shelves.

Anyone know what the icons look like?

Now imagine differently colored squares with abbreviations for the other programs (DW, FW, ID, etc.) and you've got the whole suite.

Dakar² · Mar 29, 2007, 10:49 AM

Ack, that's horrible.

goMac · Mar 29, 2007, 11:36 AM

Happy to hear GoLive is still alive, but I heard a rumor GoLive was being turned into the new basic web editor, a la Pagemill.

GoLive isn't the most stable thing, but I put up with it because of the lovely interface. As far as I can see, Dreamweaver isn't ready for me to make the jump to it. I really hope the next GoLive isn't dumbed down.

I also don't get why there isn't a web suite with GoLive.

::maroma:: · Mar 29, 2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Now imagine differently colored squares with abbreviations for the other programs (DW, FW, ID, etc.) and you've got the whole suite.

Wow, quite different than previous icons, as well as quite different from the box art. But I guess like the boxes the icons will stand out in your Dock. They remind be of those minimalist icons that you see in customized screenshots of some people's computers where you just have either the whole words or just letters denoting apps.

I'm not sure if I like them or not, but I will say that they sort of come off as a bit unfinished at first glance.

Thorzdad · Mar 29, 2007, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Happy to hear GoLive is still alive...I also don't get why there isn't a web suite with GoLive.

Because the intention is to eventually kill it off. They're probably offering this one stand-alone version as a final update to placate the GL loyalists. I do a small amount of website building/maintenance and use GoLive (came with CS) I like it. It's pretty simple to use and i've managed to tweek it enough to where it'll churn-out valid code fairly effortlessly. I'd hate to see it go.

Unfortunately, to upgrade all of the other graphics apps I use, I'm going to have to get the Design Premium suite, which includes DW (but not Fireworks which, if it indeed does replace ImageReady, will be a mistake)

So, I'm looking at $600 for an upgrade, plus another $100 or more to upgrade OSX to meet the requirements for CS3.

Yippee.

Thorzdad · Mar 29, 2007, 12:26 PM

As for the Flash debate...
Generally Flash runs fine on my old G5. Certainly the Flash-based ads run well. As for Flash-based video goes, they do okay as long as the window containing the video remains the live window. As soon as I click-off to something else, the video immediately drops to something like 3 or 4 fps and keeps dropping until you click back to that window. If you don't click back, the video will eventually go blank, with the audio still playing perfectly.
Using any scroll buttons on the live video window will also bog it down.

Anyway, that's been my experience with Flash video.