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Jumbonium2007 · Apr 5, 2007, 12:31 PM

So im curious.. who all has smoked marijuana in the past... Who thinks it should be legal

centerchannel68 · Apr 5, 2007, 12:38 PM

Legalize it. It's not any more harmful than alcohol, and a lot of fairly harmless people get thrown in jail for it. It wastes taxpayer money on enforcing it, and the only reason it was ever made illegal was because of William Randolph Hearst, the newspaper baron.

BTW, I usually end up smoking once every few months. Last time I smoked was St Patties...before that it was December.... before that it was the previous summer. That said, I doubt I'll do it much more, unless I can use a vaporizer. I just don't like putting crap into my lungs.

Doofy · Apr 5, 2007, 12:43 PM

Tried it more than a few times in the past. Didn't really see the point.

Having said that, as soon as they figure out a roadside test for drug/drive, legalise it. If someone wants to be a stoner it's no business of mine.

centerchannel68 · Apr 5, 2007, 12:45 PM

Didn't see the point? Did you actually get high? And eat anything? I mean... wtf dude. Maybe you were smoking oregano.

OldManMac · Apr 5, 2007, 12:51 PM

Did it fairly often in my youth. Last time was about ten years ago. Wouldn't turn it down if I was offered it today, but I wouldn't go out of my way to buy it either.

Doofy · Apr 5, 2007, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

Didn't see the point? Did you actually get high? And eat anything? I mean... wtf dude. Maybe you were smoking oregano.

I'm naturally pretty chilled out anyways.

centerchannel68 · Apr 5, 2007, 01:01 PM

Sure, but THC makes things taste AMAZING. The best food I've had in my life has been while high. And music... wow. I LOVE music,but man, listening to music while stoned can totally blow my mind. I definitely wouldn't drive anywhere. I've had other people drive me somewhere while I was high and it was way too intense, things feel super fast, all the g-forces are amplified.

Doofy · Apr 5, 2007, 01:05 PM

If you want to listen to some music while you're stoned, go see if you can grab "White Noise - Electric Storm". That'll blow your mind.

ort888 · Apr 5, 2007, 01:07 PM

Where's the option for I used to all the time, but do not any longer?

BRussell · Apr 5, 2007, 01:09 PM

I not only tried it, I experimented with it.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

Where's the option for I used to all the time, but do not any longer?

Why would you do that?!

faragbre967 · Apr 5, 2007, 01:33 PM

I smoke pot occasionally but it's not really that exciting to me any more. It should definitely be legalized though because the stuff just isn't that strong compared to hard drugs and it's not all that addictive. It could also be a pretty good source of tax revenue; people would pay top dollar to smoke legal pot.

Jumbonium2007 · Apr 5, 2007, 01:38 PM

I agree with centerchannel... doing certain things while high blows your mind.. One good thing is the Movie pink floyds the wall while stoned... Freaken amazing.. or Fear and loathing in las vegas.. excellent films to watch while high

chabig · Apr 5, 2007, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by faragbre967

I smoke pot occasionally but it's not really that exciting to me any more. It should definitely be legalized though because the stuff just isn't that strong compared to hard drugs...

Pardon me, but that's a pretty dumb argument. Perhaps we should legalize machine guns too, because they just aren't very powerful compared to nuclear weapons.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

Pardon me, but that's a pretty dumb argument. Perhaps we should legalize machine guns too, because they just aren't very powerful compared to nuclear weapons.

Uh, regular guns are legal.

shinji · Apr 5, 2007, 02:15 PM

Even though I haven't smoked in a while, I do think it should be legal. Leave DWI laws as they are, and leave other drugs illegal...but if you want to smoke pot in the privacy of your own home, or you find it helps with your medical conditions (AIDS wasting syndrome, chronic pain, glaucoma, etc.) then you should be able to do so without being a criminal.

Sky Captain · Apr 5, 2007, 02:18 PM

Never touched it.
Ever.

Cadaver · Apr 5, 2007, 02:31 PM

Where's the "Have done it a handful of times 15-20 years ago, but not since" option?

larrinski · Apr 5, 2007, 02:46 PM

Possession of "small amounts" in Canada is legal, and as I don't have a weight scale, I must be within the limit...

Hits from the bong...

chabig · Apr 5, 2007, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Uh, regular guns are legal.

Chuckit · Apr 5, 2007, 03:16 PM

Personally, I like getting stoned much better than getting drunk. Way more positive effects, way fewer negative effects.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

Guns are less powerful than nuclear weapons and are legal. You point was not that good.

chabig · Apr 5, 2007, 03:31 PM

I specifically referred to machine guns, which are not legal. My point being that just because something is less harmful than something else doesn't mean we should legalize it.

MOTHERWELL · Apr 5, 2007, 03:33 PM

I have a prescription for it.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by chabig

I specifically referred to machine guns, which are not legal. My point being that just because something is less harmful than something else doesn't mean we should legalize it.

I said handguns, showing something else that is also less harmful that is legal.

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Guns are less powerful than nuclear weapons and are legal. You point was not that good.

You're not really countering his argument. All he was stating was that saying that there are worse drugs than Marijuana isn't a good argument for legalizing it. You're trying to argue the converse, that if guns are less powerful than nuclear weapons, then everything less powerful than nuclear weapons should be legal, which is a horrible argument.

He's arguing (in his example) that some things less powerful than nuclear weapons are illegal for good reason. In order to counter is argument, you have to argue that all things less powerful than nuclear weapons should be legal, or in the context of the actual argument, all drugs weaker than hard drugs should be legal.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

He's arguing (in his example) that some things less powerful than nuclear weapons are illegal for good reason.

And I'm arguing that there are things less powerful than nuclear weapons that are not illegal even though they are dangerous.

Originally Posted by goMac

In order to counter is argument, you have to argue that all things less powerful than nuclear weapons should be legal, or in the context of the actual argument, all drugs weaker than hard drugs should be legal.

Only if I'm an idiot. See above.

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

And I'm arguing that there are things less powerful than nuclear weapons that are not illegal even though they are dangerous.

But it's not legal for you just to go out and get a gun.

And you're still not countering his point. He wasn't arguing all drugs should be banned. He is arguing some drugs should be banned. You're not countering his argument at all.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

But it's not legal for you just to go out and get a gun.

Can I go on a killing spree with marijuana?

Originally Posted by goMac

He is arguing some drugs should be banned.

Oh really? What drugs is he okay with being legal?

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Oh really? What drugs is he okay with being legal?

Ones that are currently legal most likely?

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Ones that are currently legal most likely?

He was talking about recreational drugs, not all drugs.

I might add you conveniently ignored my first point.

Aron Peterson · Apr 5, 2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Why would you do that?!

Because of the three side effects of long term use - arrogance, slobbery, forgetfulness.

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

He was talking about recreational drugs, not all drugs.

I might add you conveniently ignored my first point.

What? No where did he say he was talking about recreational drugs.

Do you actually think he was suggesting cigarettes should be illegal? Tylenol? Cough syrup? All he was saying is that there should be a limit somewhere. He had a very valid point. Just because Marijuana is less dangerous than hard drugs, doesn't mean it isn't dangerous.

Would shooting yourself in the head with a handgun be less dangerous than shooting yourself in the head with a nuclear weapon?

mdc · Apr 5, 2007, 04:05 PM

I think it should be legalized how alcohol is. Have a minimum age and penalties for underage usage and driving while under the influence, etc.
I think alcohol is a lot more serious, but I still think driving while high is not something I think is a good idea.

Tax the product, make "marijuana cigarettes" and sell them next to regular cigarettes.

ApeInTheShell · Apr 5, 2007, 04:21 PM

What are the acute affects of marijuana use? Read this article to find out more:
NIDA - Research Report Series - Marijuana Abuse
I am sure one of these days marijuana will be legalized because someone makes the argument, "it's not as bad as other drugs, you can't get addicted, and there have been no fatal accidents out there". If we have any car accidents we can blame it on alcohol.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

What? No where did he say he was talking about recreational drugs.

chabig was responding to faragbre967 who was talking about recreational drugs.

Originally Posted by goMac

Would shooting yourself in the head with a handgun be less dangerous than shooting yourself in the head with a nuclear weapon?

Not what I said. Nice try.
(By the way, the nuke would kill more people than just me)

Calimus · Apr 5, 2007, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by ApeInTheShell

What are the acute affects of marijuana use? Read this article to find out more:
NIDA - Research Report Series - Marijuana Abuse
I am sure one of these days marijuana will be legalized because someone makes the argument, "it's not as bad as other drugs, you can't get addicted, and there have been no fatal accidents out there". If we have any car accidents we can blame it on alcohol.

So that article basically states that it has less negative physical/mental/soclial effects than alcohol. Do you support the criminalization of alcohol? I haven't smoked marijuana in years, but still think it should be legal. Anybody that thinks making it illegal is keeping kids or anybody else from using it is just fooling themselves. We waste billions each year fighting marijuana smuggling & incarcerating dealers/users. If it was legal that whole problem goes away and you can spend 1/2 as much or less on programs to help people get off it or how to use it responsibly.

hickey · Apr 5, 2007, 05:13 PM

Even Donnie Darko makes sense while high.

legalize it.

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Not what I said. Nice try.

You're arguing a hand gun is less dangerous than a nuke. I'm saying that isn't strictly true.

Originally Posted by Dakar²

(By the way, the nuke would kill more people than just me)

You're right. But you still need a license to get a handgun. Both nukes and handguns can kill a person just as effectively. Are you going to argue that because a handgun can kill a few people and a nuke can kill lots of people at once that there are no moral issues with killing people with a handgun?

Because that's what you seem to be arguing.

Look at it this way. When you screw yourself up doing drugs, I'm going to be paying higher premiums on my medical insurance.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

You're arguing a hand gun is less dangerous than a nuke. I'm saying that isn't strictly true.

No, I'm arguing that a handgun is considered dangerous but is still legal.

Originally Posted by goMac

You're right. But you still need a license to get a handgun. Both nukes and handguns can kill a person just as effectively. Are you going to argue that because a handgun can kill a few people and a nuke can kill lots of people at once that there are no moral issues with killing people with a handgun?

Because that's what you seem to be arguing.

That's not what I'm arguing, but it doesn't matter, as this is so far off-topic its worthless. Care to discuss recreational drugs?

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

No, I'm arguing that a handgun is considered dangerous but is still legal.

They're heavily regulated. You can't just go out and buy a handgun.

Originally Posted by Dakar²

That's not what I'm arguing, but it doesn't matter, as this is so far off-topic its worthless. Care to discuss recreational drugs?

You comparing legalizing drugs to legal handguns, when handguns aren't legal for everyone to have to begin with.

Your point that drugs only hurt yourself isn't true either. When you have medical issues, my medical insurance will be burdened with you and my premiums will go up. Yes, the laws won't be enforced, but taxes will still have to pay for those that are having medical issues.

Even in the example of Canada drugs aren't completely legal, they're still regulated. Which means Canada is still also enforcing drug laws.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

They're heavily regulated. You can't just go out and buy a handgun.

Because they can kill other people. This is where that stupid comparison breaks down.

Originally Posted by goMac

You comparing legalizing drugs to legal handguns, when handguns aren't legal for everyone to have to begin with.

chabig started this comparison, not me.

Originally Posted by goMac

Your point that drugs only hurt yourself isn't true either. When you have medical issues, my medical insurance will be burdened with you and my premiums will go up. Yes, the laws won't be enforced, but taxes will still have to pay for those that are having medical issues.

When cigarettes, alcohol, and fatty food become illegal too, call me.

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

When cigarettes,

Cigarettes are regulated and taxed.

Originally Posted by Dakar²

alcohol,

Alcohol is heavily regulated.

Originally Posted by Dakar²

and fatty food become illegal too, call me.

And yes, fatty foods are regulated.

All just like hand guns.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 05:39 PM

So why can't marijuana be?

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

So why can't marijuana be?

What would it gain exactly? We'd still be spending money enforcing drug laws. Medical insurance would go up. Handguns should probably go. Alcohol use is too prevalent (far more than Marijuana use). And restaurants are already folding and making their food healthier.

Legal marijuana is something that is only good for people who do Marijuana. For society as a whole, it doesn't offer any positives, and really just causes more issues.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Legal marijuana is something that is only good for people who do Marijuana.

Alcohol is only good for people who use alcohol.
Cigarettes are for smokers.
Fatty foods are for Fatty people.
What a revelation.

Originally Posted by goMac

For society as a whole, it doesn't offer any positives, and really just causes more issues.

Less people in jail, added revenue for the government.

Chuckit · Apr 5, 2007, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Cold medicine is something that is only good for people who do cold medicine. For society as a whole, it doesn't offer any positives, and really just causes more issues.

Originally Posted by goMac

Freedom of speech is something that is only good for people who do inflammatory speech. For society as a whole, it doesn't offer any positives, and really just causes more issues.

Originally Posted by goMac

Fun is something that is only good for people who do fun. For society as a whole, it doesn't offer any positives, and really just causes more issues.

Reductio ad absurdam for the win!

goMac · Apr 5, 2007, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Reductio ad absurdam for the win!

Cold medicine, free speech, and fun don't require regulation.

Chuckit · Apr 5, 2007, 06:06 PM

Actually, cold medicine is now regulated, at least where I live. Too many kids getting high off pseudoephedrine, apparently. And fun has always been regulated.

RobOnTheCape · Apr 5, 2007, 06:30 PM

I use it regularly to get to sleep. Better than Ambien, with no hangover feeling the next day. I take just a single hit and I'm asleep in minutes. This stuff is obviously not the weed from the 70s/80s.

Because of the way it affects me I never do it other than before going to bed.

My oreo cookies never tasted so good.