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MOTHERWELL · Apr 5, 2007, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Consumerist

The iPhone battery lasts for only 40 minutes of talk time, according to intel tech guru John Dvorak received from an inside Cingular source.

"He says the amateur mistake that they made is not having a removable battery," Dvorak said. "You run 20 minutes and you're using up half the battery power. You get 40 minutes total talk time. And the interface fouls up constantly."

Given the overheating, random shutting down, and burning power cord problems, grease buildup and other problems when the new Macbooks launched, this rumor could portend similar product defects when the iPhone releases in 2 months. Interested buyers should probably wait a few months after launch for Apple to work out all the bugs.

Rumor: iPhone Battery Lasts For Only 40 Minutes Of Talk Time - Consumerist

Gossamer · Apr 5, 2007, 03:57 PM

Dvorak NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MOTHERWELL · Apr 5, 2007, 04:04 PM

Is he just doing his piss of the Apple fans shtik?

Chuckit · Apr 5, 2007, 04:08 PM

Fun Fact: "Dvorak" is an anagram for "Asshat."

mdc · Apr 5, 2007, 04:09 PM

Apparently he got this information from a Cingular source. Thanks, but no thanks. I think I'll wait until the device is actually released, or when people get their hands on final products, and people can tell me just how long the battery lasts then.

Add the fact that this is coming out his _his_ mouth.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 04:39 PM

I'll believe it when I see it. 40 min talk time = obvious flop.

Apple would push back the release before doing something so stupid.

Sherman Homan · Apr 5, 2007, 04:42 PM

Of all of the iPhone rumors, forty minutes of talk time is the most ridiculous.

imitchellg5 · Apr 5, 2007, 04:54 PM

Apple would never sell something with such horrible performance.

Gossamer · Apr 5, 2007, 04:55 PM

This is the dealbreaker for me.

Chuckit · Apr 5, 2007, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I'll believe it when I see it. 40 min talk time = obvious flop.

Apple would push back the release before doing something so stupid.

Nah, non-removable batteries can't last longer than 40 minutes. I heard it from Dvorak; it must be true.

Dakar² · Apr 5, 2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

This is the dealbreaker for me.

That was good enough for an audible chuckle.

Eug · Apr 5, 2007, 05:07 PM

I'd be shocked if it was only 40 minutes of talk time.

However, I could believe it if it was 40-60 minutes split between navigating around the screen, while playing music at the same time.

That would suck too.

In fact, my Sony Ericsson doesn't last more than maybe 1.5 hours of watching video IIRC. Fortunately, it has interchangeable batteries.

OldManMac · Apr 5, 2007, 05:07 PM

Rumor has it that his inside source is a Cingular janitor's third cousin, thrice removed.

imitchellg5 · Apr 5, 2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by KarlG

Rumor has it that his inside source is a Cingular janitor's third cousin, thrice removed.

Where is Rumor anyway?

Rumor · Apr 5, 2007, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by imitchellg5

Where is Rumor anyway?

Right here.

Railroader · Apr 5, 2007, 06:05 PM

They were talking about this on TWiT this week and Dvorak admitted that that was from a beta unit. Patrick Norton was pretty sure that the final specs will be much greater regarding battery life.

And they addressed how Dvorak baits Mac users for his blog at dvorak.org/blog Drink up, for you kids playing along

stevesnj · Apr 5, 2007, 07:43 PM

hes Nuckin Futs

centerchannel68 · Apr 5, 2007, 07:49 PM

Rumor: Who cares about rumors?

Rev-O · Apr 5, 2007, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Fun Fact: "Dvorak" is an anagram for "Asshat."

It is also an anagram for "Vodka R", which is what a pirate would say if you asked him what was in a Cape Cod besides cranberry juice.

King Bob On The Cob · Apr 6, 2007, 01:31 AM

Read the comments on that site for a laugh. Lots of PC weenies trying to say the iPhone doesn't have wi-fi.

TETENAL · Apr 6, 2007, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by MOTHERWELL

The iPhone battery lasts for only 40 minutes of talk time, according to intel tech guru John Dvorak received from an inside Cingular source.

When did Intel hire Dvorak?

Eug · Apr 6, 2007, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Railroader

They were talking about this on TWiT this week and Dvorak admitted that that was from a beta unit. Patrick Norton was pretty sure that the final specs will be much greater regarding battery life.

Of course it's a beta unit. However, even for a beta unit, that would royally suck.

I don't buy this 40 minute claim either, but nonetheless there are several of us who believe the non-removable battery of the iPhone could prove to be a significant limitation for some people.

Gossamer · Apr 6, 2007, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Eug

Of course it's a beta unit. However, even for a beta unit, that would royally suck.

I don't buy this 40 minute claim either, but nonetheless there are several of us who believe the non-removable battery of the iPhone could prove to be a significant limitation for some people.

Would you go so far as to say...deal....breaker?

analogika · Apr 6, 2007, 09:44 AM

I also hear that the calendar software is just a placeholder graphic and doesn't work AT ALL.

C'MON, APPLE! YOU CAN'T BE THAT STUPID!!! NOBODY WILL BYE IT EVER!!!

TETENAL · Apr 6, 2007, 09:55 AM

buy

PBG4 User · Apr 6, 2007, 09:59 AM

I don't buy this claim because I know someone at Cingular and no one outside mahogany row has been allowed to see the iPhone, and his group gets all the pre-release phones to test/beat on.

f1000 · Apr 6, 2007, 09:59 AM

This could be Apple's golden opportunity to sue Dvorak for slander. I say hit him where it hurts, in his personal finances.

analogika · Apr 6, 2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

buy

know whut rly?

you musta gone to school.

parsec_kadets · Apr 6, 2007, 10:55 AM

Anyone who listens to Devorak on TWiT knows that he has a tendency to exaggerate about lots of things. He doesn't always do that to bait Mac users. I haven't listened to this week's episode, but he's done it plenty of times in the past.

Eriamjh · Apr 7, 2007, 10:17 PM

Gee. A prototype with limited battery life. Big effing whoop!

We have a prototype module in development that is supposed to have about 600uA of parasitic current draw according to our worst case analysis. The first prototypes had 2000uA of current draw while asleep. After 5 months of software changes and HW tweaks, it's down to 800uA, but there is still work to do.

In the next month, they will reach the target of 600uA, not because of a breakthrough, but because the math is already done and they just have to figure out where the current is going (software is a pain).

In the meantime, the module's still work and that's what we send to our customer.

So this is typical. More refinement is being done and the iPhone will perform as expected of any cell phone (or better, since it IS Apple).

Eug · Apr 7, 2007, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

Gee. A prototype with limited battery life. Big effing whoop!

We have a prototype module in development that is supposed to have about 600uA of parasitic current draw according to our worst case analysis. The first prototypes had 2000uA of current draw while asleep. After 5 months of software changes and HW tweaks, it's down to 800uA, but there is still work to do.

In the next month, they will reach the target of 600uA, not because of a breakthrough, but because the math is already done and they just have to figure out where the current is going (software is a pain).

In the meantime, the module's still work and that's what we send to our customer.

So this is typical. More refinement is being done and the iPhone will perform as expected of any cell phone (or better, since it IS Apple).

The question is when that prototype is from. The iPhone launches in 2 months.

BRussell · Apr 7, 2007, 11:13 PM

Once they remove the debug code, the battery will last well over 50 minutes.

voodoo · Apr 7, 2007, 11:29 PM

When has Dvorak ever been right? Once?

V

Eug · Apr 7, 2007, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

When has Dvorak ever been right? Once?

Pretty close back in 2003: He was off on the time frame, but right on the end result.

"Prediction: Apple Computer Corp. will switch to Intel processors within the next 12 to 18 months."

That said, I usually disagree with what he says...

voodoo · Apr 7, 2007, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

Pretty close back in 2003: He was off on the time frame, but right on the end result.

"Prediction: Apple Computer Corp. will switch to Intel processors within the next 12 to 18 months."

That said, I usually disagree with what he says...

Yep, that's the *one* time I was thinking about. Prediction: if one throws enough crap on the wall, something is bound to stick eventually. I recall reading op-eds by him in Macworld around 1995, so he's been at it for quite some time now.

I'm no Apple fanboi, but FUD and misinformation like the manure that usually litters Dvorak's op-eds is just annoying. The noise/signal ratio is way too high with that man.

V

aristotles · Apr 8, 2007, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

This is the dealbreaker for me.

A rumour from the asshat Dvorak is a deal breaker for you? Do you seriously believe anything he says?

YouTube - John Dvorak admits to baiting Mac users for hits

He is a professional troll.

analogika · Apr 8, 2007, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by aristotles

A rumour from the asshat Dvorak is a deal breaker for you? Do you seriously believe anything he says?

YouTube - John Dvorak admits to baiting Mac users for hits

He is a professional troll.

Are you just in a bad temper, or is your humor detector simply not set to "internet" yet?

aristotles · Apr 8, 2007, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Are you just in a bad temper, or is your humor detector simply not set to "internet" yet?

Is your emotion sensor in the shop? I'm not mad, I was just trying to clear up potential FUD. I don't know the guy I responded to from Adam so how would I know he was being sarcastic?

I've also seen so many idiotic "dealbreaker" comments on MacNN as of late.

PS. Why are you looking at me like that and why are you angry?

turtle777 · Apr 8, 2007, 05:51 PM

It's not a rumor, it's a Dvorak fact.

Which is about as credible as my neighbor's dog's pile o' crap.

-t

Oisín · Apr 8, 2007, 06:05 PM

I've also seen so many idiotic "dealbreaker" comments on MacNN as of late.

There’s your first clue. Not sure exactly where it originated, but anything using the word “dealbreaker” (or, even better, “dealbraker”) ’round here is pretty sure to be sarcasm.

Gossamer · Apr 8, 2007, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by aristotles

A rumour from the asshat Dvorak is a deal breaker for you? Do you seriously believe anything he says?

YouTube - John Dvorak admits to baiting Mac users for hits

He is a professional troll.

Yup, it was a joke.

Originally Posted by Oisín

There’s your first clue. Not sure exactly where it originated, but anything using the word “dealbreaker” (or, even better, “dealbraker”) ’round here is pretty sure to be sarcasm.

IIRC it came from when the iPhone first came out. About 50 people picked out a single feature of the iPhone that they didn't like, declared it the "deal-breaker" for them, and decided their strong feelings warranted creating a thread.

turtle777 · Apr 8, 2007, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by aristotles

He is a professional troll.

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Yup, it was a joke.

He is a fy<king asshole.
I hope Apple sues the heck out of him

Seriously, these kind of things can manipulate the AAPL stock price. Right now, the iPhone is the main driver for AAPL growth. Seeding false "news" like that is willful manipulation.

-t