[Super Mario]

YouTube - Video of Cell rendering raytracing

You can clearly see the title bar with Apple logo in the corner and the Dock. It's has an ADC Cinema Display and Apple Keyboard. The IBM man shows a CPU meter and says the machine has a Cell inside it.

[- - e r i k - -]

Well, he's also mentioning a PPC, so I'm guessing they're running OS X of that and controlling the cells through some custom software?

[MacosNerd]

Who cares.

Intel is the future for Apple.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

Well, he's also mentioning a PPC, so I'm guessing they're running OS X of that and controlling the cells through some custom software?

As you are my alter ego you should know a Cell has a PowerPC core

[- - e r i k - -]

Anyway, the cell sucks for general purpose computing so why care?

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

Anyway, the cell sucks for general purpose computing so why care?

Obviously not because OS X has been compiled for it and it throws the 3D data around like nothing. Holy sh!t here comes goMac and besson to rain on my Power PC G6 Cell.

[- - e r i k - -]

Raytracing is general purpose computing? As I suggested, the Mac OS X is probably running some custom made software to talk to the cell. Ala VNC most likely.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Obviously not because OS X has been compiled for it and it throws the 3D data around like nothing.

That's a rather outlandish definition of "general purpose computing".

Surely you must include spaceflight trajectory computation, DNA analysis, and long-term weather prognosis as staple needs of the home user, no?

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by analogika 

That's a rather outlandish definition of "general purpose computing".

Surely you must include spaceflight trajectory computation, DNA analysis, and long-term weather prognosis as staple needs of the home user, no?

Is it computing or not? Is OS X compiled for Cell or not? Are good apps running on it or not? Those are questions. Nothing else.

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Is it computing or not?

Yes but so isn't using a programmable HP calculator that doesn't mean most people,i.e., consumers do that. In otherwords its application is highly specialized.

Is OS X compiled for Cell or not?

Who cares. OSX is available for the PPC and intel platforms. CELL is not a support platform and probably was hacked in some way.

Are good apps running on it or not?

NO

Go to apple and see what platforms are supported that way you'll get a clear indication that they only sell Intel CPUs and are supporting legacy PPC Macintoshes.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by MacosNerd 

Are good apps running on it?
NO

YOU don't know that! Apple could have helped IBM compile OS X and then IBM has written a cool bunch of apps and Rosetta could help run any normal PPC app. So there!

btw I didn't say Apple is going to release it. This is for IBM only.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Apple could have helped IBM compile OS X and then IBM has written a cool bunch of apps and Rosetta could help run any normal PPC app.

The real reason 10.5 was delayed...

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

YOU don't know that! Apple could have [bla bla bla]. So there!

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Is it computing or not? Is OS X compiled for Cell or not? Are good apps running on it or not? Those are questions. Nothing else.

Actually, no. The question is "Does CELL suck for general-purpose computing?", since that is the statement - - e r i k - - made that you objected to.

BTW, OS X is compiled for the iPhone, as well.

Does that mean that Apple's computer lines should use the same processor that the iPhone uses?

[MacosNerd]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

YOU don't know that! Apple could have helped IBM compile OS X and then IBM has written a cool bunch of apps and Rosetta could help run any normal PPC app. So there!.

Oooh I guess you showed me.




so what are these bunch of cool apps that IBM as written that will run on this supposed copy of OSX that was compiled for the CELL processor.

You're really reaching on this, let me reiterate who really cares!!! The Apple/IBM relantionship is now history what ever IBM has done isn't going anywhere.. You seemed to have a your panties bound up about a phantom OS and phantom applications.

[goMac]

Most likely OS X isn't actually running on that machine. It's probably farming out the work to a cell elsewhere, and then pulling the finished work back. The other option is he has a Cell daughter in the machine, and it's pushing the data out to that. I heard rumors Apple was going to make a Cell daughter card for the Mac Pro for some sort of video processing software.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by MacosNerd 

Who cares.

Intel is the future for Apple.

So is Cell, since Intel and AMD are moving towards specialized, modular processing (like the Amiga had way-back-when.) Intel's 60 and 80 core processors are actually composed of different types of specialized cores. Eventually, those cores will be offloaded to individual CPUs.

I mentioned this in my technology prediction thread regarding Apple using Cell. Speaking of which, I think it's due for another technology prediction thread.

[Super Mario]

I found out the demo is from 2005 before Apple announced the transition to Intel so that could have been one of the first Macs testing out Cell. The IBM guys in the video said it is clocked at 3.2Ghz and runs that scene 40 times faster than a G5. They also spoke about how they were getting developers to make general purpose apps and operating systems for the Cell. The result of that has been Yellow Dog Linux which is the only flavor of Linux that Sony and IBM have backed for the PS3. It runs Open Office and everything else that comes with the distro.

I'm very suprised that video went unnoticed for so long. Not wanting a discussion about this, like we haven't already a million times, but Apple went with Intel because of mobile computing and because they had internal Intel builds from the start. They probably have XCode for Cell too in the labs. Apple's move wasn't because it is hard to code for Cell. Rosetta would handle the transition easier for PPC to Cell than it does for PPC to Intel. We'll never see it though. Intel and AMD are following in Cell's footsteps.

[Graviton]

Originally Posted by analogika 

That's a rather outlandish definition of "general purpose computing".

Surely you must include spaceflight trajectory computation, DNA analysis, and long-term weather prognosis as staple needs of the home user, no?

When my craft returns on a glorious sunny day with it's cargo of of freshly collected alien DNA, I'm gonna make you eat those words.

[analogika]

Do it, and I'll gladly eat them.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Graviton 

When my craft returns on a glorious sunny day with it's cargo of of freshly collected alien DNA, I'm gonna make you eat those words.

I'm curious how exactly you're going to collect that DNA. I only ask because I once read a book called Extraterrestrial Sex Fetish in which much alien DNA was collected.

[IceEnclosure]

yea so??





(whatever, I'm a little late)

[CMYKid]

umm, links to Blackjack theme that would be nifty.

oh, andja never answered my question about the name of that bar you did or do work at...just curious.

[Mithras]

Oh, the Windows icon. Fail.
Though it's actually a pretty cool theme.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Obviously not because OS X has been compiled for it and it throws the 3D data around like nothing. Holy sh!t here comes goMac and besson to rain on my Power PC G6 Cell.

Why would I rain on your cell? I have no problems with your cell, I don't plan to rain on it somehow. I hope you enjoy your cell, Super Mario. I like you.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by CMYKid 

umm, links to Blackjack theme that would be nifty.

oh, andja never answered my question about the name of that bar you did or do work at...just curious.

well I've installed it a few times on mine and besides looking cool just sitting there it doesn't really perform well. kinda buggy, although it works for some people (I believe it's a Pocket PC theme adapted to smartphone - blackjack,etc). I'll dig up a link or two in a few, i'm real lazy right now.

and the restaurant I work at shall, for now, remain nameless.
do you live down here?
(edit: no, dayton, oh)

[CMYKid]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

and the restaurant I work at shall, for now, remain nameless.
do you live down here?
(edit: no, dayton, oh)

heh, wasn't tryin' to stalk you, just was going to check it out. what i think i actually meant was the place you USED to work at. Pretty sure it was just a bar though and you said you quit or something. You'd posted a bunch of pictures a while back and it was a place I didnt recognize.

We're in town for a couple weeks at the Loews and after a while you get bored of the usual places.

[IceEnclosure]

Ah, cool. Samba Room is on Las Olas Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale. Lots of nice restaurants and shops there. Samba Room is a restaurant, but also has a bar that is pretty hoppin' on Fridays in particular. Great mojitos too.

I don't know if I'd leave Miami Beach to come up here(prob about 25mins with no traffic), but if you end up in Lauderdale, Las Olas Boulevard would be a sure thing.

[besson3c]

Looks like OS X works on ARM (iPhone), PPC, Intel... I wouldn't be surprised if they were working on AMD, and possibly even Cell. Without needing a translator (Rosetta) to a different architecture, it should be pretty easy to move between processors (AMD/Intel, PPC/Cell), right? Is ARM PPC based?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Looks like OS X works on ARM (iPhone), PPC, Intel... I wouldn't be surprised if they were working on AMD, and possibly even Cell. Without needing a translator (Rosetta) to a different architecture, it should be pretty easy to move between processors (AMD/Intel, PPC/Cell), right? Is ARM PPC based?

The Cell isn't much like the PowerPC actually. It has one PowerPC core and a bunch of co-processors that aren't PowerPC's, and all applications have to be recoded to use those co-processors. The Cell is not a traditional multicore chip like the Intel's are.

A standard dual core G5 would destroy a Cell running OS X.

[CMYKid]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

Ah, cool. Samba Room is on Las Olas Boulevard in Fort Lauderdale. Lots of nice restaurants and shops there. Samba Room is a restaurant, but also has a bar that is pretty hoppin' on Fridays in particular. Great mojitos too.

I don't know if I'd leave Miami Beach to come up here(prob about 25mins with no traffic), but if you end up in Lauderdale, Las Olas Boulevard would be a sure thing.

ah yeah, SB really isnt one of my favoritest places and l dont like going to the same places all the time anyway so driving a bit isnt a problem. Will check it out, thanks!

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Looks like OS X works on ARM (iPhone), PPC, Intel... I wouldn't be surprised if they were working on AMD, and possibly even Cell. Without needing a translator (Rosetta) to a different architecture, it should be pretty easy to move between processors (AMD/Intel, PPC/Cell), right? Is ARM PPC based?

OS X runs on AMD just fine, it's just x86. I've run OS X (10.4.8) on an Athlon 64.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by goMac 

...a bunch of co-processors that aren't PowerPC's...

PowerPC's what?

[analogika]

PowerPC's coprocessors, duh!

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by analogika 

PowerPC's coprocessors, duh!

I'm just trying to get people to stop using the apostrophe where it doesn't belong.

[TheoCryst]

Originally Posted by nonhuman 

OS X runs on AMD just fine, it's just x86. I've run OS X (10.4.8) on an Athlon 64.

*gasp* You breakeded the the law and stuff! For shame!

I never did get it working on my AMD, just my old Celeron POS laptop...

[analogika]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I'm just trying to get people to stop using the apostrophe where it doesn't belong.

o r'ly?

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by analogika 

o r'ly?

That apostrophe could actually be appropriate as it's standing in for some letters left out.

[edit: ok, something is really screwey with the server, I posted this a full minute after my 'next' post]

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by TheoCryst 

*gasp* You breakeded the the law and stuff! For shame!

I never did get it working on my AMD, just my old Celeron POS laptop...

Meh. The way I see it, I've been using Macs since the 128k, I currently own and use two on a regular basis, and won't stop buying Mac hardware in the foreseeable future. If I also want to play around and run OS X on my home built AMD gaming machine, I'm not hurting Apple by doing so.

There's a new install disk out there that includes the drives and such for AMDs.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

He must really hate alien names in sci-fi shows.

Not to mention Hawai'i.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by analogika 

o r'ly?

He must really hate alien names in sci-fi shows.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by nonhuman 

That apostrophe could actually be appropriate as it's standing in for some letters left out.

That's why I PUT it there.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by analogika 

That's why I PUT it there.

Why else would you have?

[Dakarʒ]

More server magic going on.

[olePigeon]

Hawai'i and alien names are fine, because that's how they're supposed to be punctuated.

[besson3c]

I like magic servers

[Cadaver]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

I like magic s'ervers

Fixed™