[Rumor]

Teens allegedly force mother, son to have sex - Crime & Punishment - MSNBC.com

What convinces someone that this would be "fun"? It bothers me that everyday, more and more insane **** is happening. A lot of people think our laws are too draconic, but if rapist were castrated, I guarantee people would think long and hard before doing it.

[Jawbone54]

Saw this a few minutes ago. This is unbelievably saddening, but it's even worse when you consider that it's not really all that shocking in today's world. Something has to change. No wonder so many people are depressed.
Waiting on Dakar to make the obvious joke relating to the last sentence of Rumor's post.

[Rumor]

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Gloucestershire | Couple jailed for webcam sex act

The actions of some people disgust me.

Still thinking about starting the Jawbonia Nation? I'll pitch in for an island. Might have to alter the name though.

[Kerrigan]

The perpetrators are actually the victims of living in a repressed, white, patriarchal society. This act is a sign of progress towards a more enlightened, sexually liberated future in which everyone has an iPhone, even people without jobs. With the slide of a finger everyone will be able to listen to AAC files and view local seafood restaurants.

[Ghoser777]

I doubt things are worse than "they used to be." It's not that people are any worse, it's that we have the internet and 24-hour news cycles that provide us with quicker access to all the worst that man can do.

[Calimus]

as long as we're on the topic of terrible things people do, I thought this was particularly atrocious:

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Teen mother gives her young daughter ecstacy, plus she's sitting on the floor of a moving car.

[Rumor]

I saw something about that, but the video is rapidly being deleted from numerous websites.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Gloucestershire | Couple jailed for webcam sex act

The actions of some people disgust me.

Still thinking about starting the Jawbonia Nation? I'll pitch in for an island. Might have to alter the name though.

Jawbonia is still alive. I think it's worth nothing that we will accept nothing less that castration for first-time sex offenders.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

it's not really all that shocking in today's world.

How is this not shocking? Does Tv, movies, music, and video games glorify forcing people to perform incestuous acts?

[Jawbone54]

You hear about so many similar cases that nothing is as shocking as it would've been 50 years ago.
I'm aware you're probably trying to rile me up.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19636099/] I guarantee people would think long and hard before doing it.

They really wouldn't, any more than the death penalty deters homicide.

[Rumor]

If Death Row was a more streamlined process, they would. Many Death Row inmates sit for years before they are executed.

Also, I think people (read: men) would be more afraid of being castrated than dying.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

You hear about so many similar cases that nothing is as shocking as it would've been 50 years ago

Not where I live. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised reports of incest occur more often in Louisiana.[/cheap shot]

No, you've riled me up, but its nothing an easy joke couldn't cure.

[peeb]

If death row were more streamlined, there would be even more innocent people executed. You are right though, at one point in the 90s, drug dealers in New York were more likely to die on the street than on death row.

[KeriVit]

1- how would the woman's son get it up for his mother while she is brutalized?

2- I'm sorry but the child on e is disturbing. I've done some dumb things when high, some recorded, but seeing them later.... gawd no. never like that. however i was a child like that for a bit. sad.

[natnabour]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Gloucestershire | Couple jailed for webcam sex act

The actions of some people disgust me.

Still thinking about starting the Jawbonia Nation? I'll pitch in for an island. Might have to alter the name though.

ewww. what I find more appalling is the 57 year old man confessing that he raped and abused his own granddaughter. his OWN granddaughter. for ****'s sake -

i don't think i'd mind castration for repeat offenders. castration with noooooooo medication. but whats to say they won't abuse children with.....other toys/methods/exploitation (as seen above).

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

Not where I live. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised reports of incest occur more often in Louisiana.[/cheap shot]

Ouuuuuch....ooowwwwwwwwww, crap!
I guess this isn't the right time to admit that I was born in Arkansas

[freudling]

In answer to the original post:

America.

[Jawbone54]

Oh, hey...really witty. Cute stuff.

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by Calimus 

as long as we're on the topic of terrible things people do, I thought this was particularly atrocious:
Teen mother gives her young daughter ecstacy, plus she's sitting on the floor of a moving car.

That is awful, I hope all those people got locked up for a long time.

[dcmacdaddy]

I know it goes against many of our national sensibilities about individuals and their capacity for redemption and reformation but I think sexual abusers of children, particularly repeat offenders, should get a lifetime sentence if/when they are caught. There have been some studies done and, from what I have read, sexual predation is one area where therapy and medicine has little effect on curbing/eliminating these desires; The rate of recidivism is very high among pedophiles. Most people who sexually abuse children will do it again and again and again no matter how much time they spend in jail or how much psychiatric counseling they get. I really think we need a life-sentence statute for aggressive sexual predators. Put them in prison, make them relatively comfortable--say a medium security prison--and throw away the key.

(While castration would eliminate some sexual urges it would NOT eliminate the mental urges that drive a sexual predator to do what they do. So, I would not be in favor of that form of punishment. Aggressive sexual predators are a detriment to society and should be removed from society--to the benefit of the predator as much as the society.)

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy 

(While castration would eliminate some sexual urges it would NOT eliminate the mental urges that drive a sexual predator to do what they do. So, I would not be in favor of that form of punishment. Aggressive sexual predators are a detriment to society and should be removed from society--to the benefit of the predator as much as the society.)

Have we tried that yet? I'm not being sarcastic, but have we done serious studies to see if chemical castration works?

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

Ouuuuuch....ooowwwwwwwwww, crap!

You asked for it.
Doesn't much matter if you were raised in LA. It's all the south anyway.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

Have we tried that yet? I'm not being sarcastic, but have we done serious studies to see if chemical castration works?

California passed a law requiring chemical castration a while back, but I haven't seen any studies correlating it with sex crimes. It would be interesting to see.

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

It bothers me that everyday, more and more insane **** is happening.

Actually, that's not the case. More and more stuff gets reported and so it looks like the world is getting more ****ed up, when the reality is that we have lower crime rates now than in, say, the 50s.

And those teens, lock them up and throw away the key for a long time.

[Dakarʒ]

But do we have lower force a kid to do him mom rates than in the 50s?

[Mastrap]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

But do we have lower force a kid to do him mom rates than in the 50s?

That's anecdotal. Crazy **** has always happened, sexual assaults are nothing new. I am not trying to make light of this, I am as horrified as anybody by this. But the reality is that these things happen comparatively rarely (in our society) and when the do happen we do something about them.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Mastrap 

That's anecdotal.

How is that anecdotal? I'm asking a question that could be answered by hard numbers.

Edit: on second thought what police station lists 'forced incest' in their records.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Mastrap 

That's anecdotal. Crazy **** has always happened, sexual assaults are nothing new. I am not trying to make light of this, I am as horrified as anybody by this. But the reality is that these things happen comparatively rarely (in our society) and when the do happen we do something about them.

Indeed. And the reason why it's "not shocking in today's society" isn't an indication that "today's society" is any worse or better (I'd lean towards better myself) than before, it's just that we have media who spreads these events far wider and more effective than ever before.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by natnabour 

ewww. what I find more appalling is the 57 year old man confessing that he raped and abused his own granddaughter. his OWN granddaughter. for ****'s sake -

The vast majority of all sexual abuse happens within the family or the circle close to it.