[BasketofPuppies]

who is winning the dvd-audio/sacd format war?

[analogika]

Neither, unfortunately.

[BasketofPuppies]

You mean that the PlayStation 3's support for SACD has made no difference?

[badidea]

Why should it? There are many DVD players out there (that support SACD) which are a lot cheaper than the PS3!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by BasketofPuppies 

who is winning the dvd-audio/sacd format war?

Who cares? Most of you can't hear the difference between a 320 kbps MP3 and a CD so going higher than CD quality is all a bit pointless.

[DakarÊ’]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Who cares? Most of you can't hear the difference between a 320 kbps MP3 and a CD so going higher than CD quality is all a bit pointless.

Not really, seeing as CDs are 2-channel and DVD-A & SACD are 5.1

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by DakarÊ’ 

Not really, seeing as CDs are 2-channel and DVD-A & SACD are 5.1

Yeah, sorted.

You can put 6 speakers on the same bookshelf next to the stereo instead of 2.

[DakarÊ’]

Yeah, because I keep all 5 of my surround sound speakers like that.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Who cares? Most of you can't hear the difference between a 320 kbps MP3 and a CD so going higher than CD quality is all a bit pointless.

You know, now that you remind me, TETENAL never did tell me if my assessment was correct.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by DakarÊ’ 

Yeah, because I keep all 5 of my surround sound speakers like that.

Well, it's three louder, innit?

[DakarÊ’]

Hmmm?

[badidea]

Originally Posted by analogika 

You know, now that you remind me, TETENAL never did tell me if my assessment was correct.

Oh, that reminds me of something I wanted to ask for a looooong time:
Why do we not see AAD, ADD and DDD printed on CDs anymore?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by analogika 

You know, now that you remind me, TETENAL never did tell me if my assessment was correct.

Interesting. I missed that thread.

Your comments in it are correct, as is usual for such matters.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by badidea 

Oh, that reminds me of something I wanted to ask for a looooong time:
Why do we not see AAD, ADD and DDD printed on CDs anymore?

1) They realised that nobody cares.

2) In the case of recently recorded music, it's mostly all DDD these days anyways.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by DakarÊ’ 

Yeah, because I keep all 5 of my surround sound speakers like that.

Unless your living room is THX certified, you might as well do.

[DakarÊ’]

I can see this is going to be fun.

What are you trying to tell me, I won't be able to decipher sounds coming from specific areas of the room unless I'm THX certified?

[badidea]

Originally Posted by DakarÊ’ 

...unless I'm THX certified?

No, your room!
(whatever that means)

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

1) They realised that nobody cares.

2) In the case of recently recorded music, it's mostly all DDD these days anyways.

Actually, there's a lot of DAD going on again, now that people have found that summing directly in the DAW sucks complete ass.

Some have switched to external digital summing boxes, but many are mixing/summing in the analog domain again.

[badidea]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

1) They realised that nobody cares.

2) In the case of recently recorded music, it's mostly all DDD these days anyways.

Ah, ok, thanks! I thought so!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by DakarÊ’ 

What are you trying to tell me, I won't be able to decipher sounds coming from specific areas of the room unless I'm THX certified?

I'm telling you it's all pointless geekery when it comes to music.

[DakarÊ’]

Originally Posted by badidea 

No, your room!
(whatever that means)

It means a professional specifically set-up the speakers for optimum performance with the room's acoustics

...I think.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by badidea 

No, your room!
(whatever that means)

What Does being THX®-Certified Mean?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Actually, there's a lot of DAD going on again, now that people have found that summing directly in the DAW sucks complete ass.

Really? I've been out of the game for a few years so I'm a bit out of touch.

Recently, I've been re-gearing for a small personal studio. Now, being an old-fashioned sort I much prefer mixing analogue and will even go as far as to say that if I've got to mix digital then I'd rather just not bother and go down the pub to score some hotties instead. But during the re-gearing process the amount of people trying to persuade me to not buy an analogue desk is ridiculous. Mackie control surface this, ProControl that... I'm like "bugger off it's all crap" but they won't listen.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Really? I've been out of the game for a few years so I'm a bit out of touch.

Recently, I've been re-gearing for a small personal studio. Now, being an old-fashioned sort I much prefer mixing analogue and will even go as far as to say that if I've got to mix digital then I'd rather just not bother and go down the pub to score some hotties instead. But during the re-gearing process the amount of people trying to persuade me to not buy an analogue desk is ridiculous. Mackie control surface this, ProControl that... I'm like "bugger off it's all crap" but they won't listen.

PSW Recording Forums: Reason In Audio => DAW & Desks: Is ANYBODY actually still mixing on their desk?

There's some interesting discussion on ideal levels for working in the digital domain, starting around page 6 (I confess to not having read it all).

[badidea]

Originally Posted by analogika 

What Does being THX?-Certified Mean?

No, not really - whatever it means to need a THX-Certified room for your home theater even though most of the equipment used usually isn't even THX certified (like none of my speakers, nor my amplifier and of course not the DVD player which doesn't exist afaik know)!

You're right thought that I do not really know what THX-Certified means - except that the equipment is usually in the higher price range (with a few exceptions).

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by analogika 

PSW Recording Forums: Reason In Audio => DAW & Desks: Is ANYBODY actually still mixing on their desk?

There's some interesting discussion on ideal levels for working in the digital domain, starting around page 6 (I confess to not having read it all).

Nice find. I'll read all of that later.

(edit: Actually, having read a couple of pages, no, I probably won't. All this discussion about recording levels is precisely why I like analogue. Digital encourages the geeks to analyse numbers, analogue encourages dancing around with a beer. It's a knob. Turn it. If it sounds right, dance. If it doesn't, turn it again, then dance)

[mitchell_pgh]

The problem with dvd-audio and sacd is most consumers can't hear the difference.

Also, the iPod has killed most encrypted audio formats (besides FairPlay).

It's as simple as that. Blu-ray + HD-DVD would be dead in the water if 80% of the population couldn't really tell the difference between a HD movie and a standard DVD on a 50" screen.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Nice find. I'll read all of that later.

(edit: Actually, having read a couple of pages, no, I probably won't. All this discussion about recording levels is precisely why I like analogue. Digital encourages the geeks to analyse numbers, analogue encourages dancing around with a beer. It's a knob. Turn it. If it sounds right, dance. If it doesn't, turn it again, then dance)

One problem is - and I've seen this on a couple of productions myself - that people have this preconception that if it's digital, it must be great.

"If it sounds right" requires a set of ears, a set of balls, and a heart.

Analogue clipping can be ugly, and it requires a useful pair of ears to catch. The exact same applies to digital.
It doesn't follow the same "intuition" as analogue - it follows a different set of rules.

And it's quite easy to make something sound like **** in analogue, as well - and there are thousands of records to prove it.

(and don't tell me the analog geekery was less about specs and pristine sound and levels and stuff than the digital - the analogue domain just has eighty more years of experience, standard-setting, whittling-down and assimilation into common knowledge than digital.)


The other problem is one of interface.
Digital is progressing on that front, but still has a LONG way to go.
I'm more in the sound creation than the engineering, but believe me - my username is not merely coincidental. Dedicated drawbars, sliders, knobs and switches rule my world.

[Doofy]

I agree.

I think what's happened somewhat is that in the digital age, people have forgotten that it's an art, not a science.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

I agree.

I think what's happened somewhat is that in the digital age, people have forgotten that it's an art, not a science.

That's in part a result of the massive accessibility, compared to "back then".

These days, $10,000 will get you "a" digital equivalent of $3 million in the 70s (functionally, mind you).

The people who had access to the big analogue iron thirty and forty years ago were few, and they were well-chosen.

[BasketofPuppies]

Don't you guys know a mock thread when you see one? I even brought up the PlayStation 3's SACD support.

Now let's see some mock-zealotry for inanimate objects and statistics taken out of context to "prove" that "your" side is winning.