[starman]

This pissed me off to no end. I've been going to concerts in NJ for who know how many years. Sure you get some idiots and boneheads, but this year, for some reason. NJ cracked down on underage drinking. This week (if you read the article), hundreds of people were arrested. The solution? Ban drinking in the parking lot. Tailgating is part of the fun of going to these shows. These jerkoffs have to ruin the fun for the rest of us.

At the show last night they were writing down how many beers you had on your wristband.

NJ.com: Everything Jersey

[stevesnj]

seems right to ban drinking in public by underage drinkers, tailgating is not illegal but drinking on private property without consent is.

[starman]

But the Arts Center DID give consent...for 40 years! Now because of a bunch of irresponsible children, we can't drink in the parking lot anymore? That's going to make a lot of people rather upset.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by starman 

That's going to make a lot of people rather upset.

You know what I do when get upset? Get dru-- nevermind.

[GuiltlessMan]

Slavery is freedom. War is peace. The American people are responsible for letting the government turn into the nanny state 'fear everything' status it's currently in.

[sek929]

They'll just have to go back to the basics, huffin' gasoline.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by GuiltlessMan 

Slavery is freedom. War is peace. The American people are responsible for letting the government turn into the nanny state 'fear everything' status it's currently in.

Move it to the PL GuiltlessMan. It's one event. It stinks that a few people have to go crazy and cause such problems, but it happened.

SOLUTION: Arrive drunk.

[Rumor]

They make it sound like the two guys died due to alcohol. Actually, they died of cocaine induced cardiac arrhythmia.

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by GuiltlessMan 

Slavery is freedom. War is peace. The American people are responsible for letting the government turn into the nanny state 'fear everything' status it's currently in.

Wow, talk about an irrational fear of government.

And yeah, people dying because idiots get drunk shouldn't be a cause for the authorities to get involved and put a stop to the stupidity.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by ::maroma:: 

Wow, talk about an irrational fear of government.

And yeah, people dying because idiots get drunk shouldn't be a cause for the authorities to get involved and put a stop to the stupidity.

The article made it clear that the two people that died had ingested cocaine, pot, and alcohol. But yeah, I think the police are justified in what they are doing, as lame as it may be.

[Dakarʒ]

ca$h is back.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by starman 

Now because of a bunch of irresponsible children, we can't drink in the parking lot anymore? That's going to make a lot of people rather upset.

Whats the big deal? so drink something else...and by the way aren't children supposed to be irresponsible?

Originally Posted by starman 

But the Arts Center DID give consent

Then they should have someone check ID's in the parking lot. If they have the license to allow alcohol in the parking lot they (Arts Center) are liable for letting underage drinkers consume alcohol on their property.

[macintologist]

Prohibition doesn't work. Dumb laws deserve to be broken.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by macintologist 

Prohibition doesn't work. Dumb laws deserve to be broken.

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by macintologist 

Prohibition doesn't work. Dumb laws deserve to be broken.

Prohibition? They aren't banning alcohol for everyone everywhere, just can't drink in the parking lots at concerts and such. Humongous difference.

[KeriVit]

I don't think banning drinking in the parking lot would have stopped those 2 guys from dying. I think banning alcohol is going to make the cops even busier. But, I never tailgated before a concert. A football game, yes. And banning tailgating at a football stadium would cause an absolute uproar. So I suppose if this is what you are accustomed to doing before a concert, then I understand your anger.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by stevesnj 

I just stole your picture-but will give credit when I use it. Absolutely wonderful picture-and absolutely appropriate.

I personally like to attend activities while sober enough to enjoy them, and I like to be sober enough at the end to drive home-mainly to defend myself from the numerous idiots who think that walking out of a venue in which they've been drinking for three hours straight magically makes them sober.

The last tailgate party I went to was at a local college, and they very seriously enforced the drinking age. Campus police were very evident, patrolling the whole parking lot. And everything was both civil and fun-in large part because nobody got drunk and belligerent. Then the game started and it was a lot of fun too. Again because nobody in the stands wad drunk and belligerent. Go figure.

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by KeriVit 

I don't think banning drinking in the parking lot would have stopped those 2 guys from dying. I think banning alcohol is going to make the cops even busier. But, I never tailgated before a concert. A football game, yes. And banning tailgating at a football stadium would cause an absolute uproar. So I suppose if this is what you are accustomed to doing before a concert, then I understand your anger.

Agreed. It wasn't the alcohol that killed them.

Now instead of finding people drinking, they will have to find them using various drugs, which can be hidden a lot easier.

[KeriVit]

They probably shoulda just banned Ozzfest.

[moonmonkey]

You like hanging around in car parks when there is a bar inside?
Is this just trailer trash or does everyone do it.

[KeriVit]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

You like hanging around in car parks when there is a bar inside?
Is this just trailer trash or does everyone do it.

Simple. One beer outside= less than $1. One beer inside= $7.

Do the math.

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by KeriVit 

Simple. One beer outside= less than $1. One beer inside= $7.

Do the math.

One beer at home with friends $1, no fuel costs, no standing around on asphalt, no trailer trash ladies with big 80's hair, no nasty smell of fumes, no self congratulatory jocks shouting "high five!" and "wazzup!".

Do the math.

[starman]

Beer at home vs. going to a show? Seriously, I can't tell if you're intentionally being obtuse or not.

[moonmonkey]

They show must be fantastic if they feel the need to hang around in the carpark outside, comparing mullets and wheel rims.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by GuiltlessMan 

Slavery is freedom. War is peace. The American people are responsible for letting the government turn into the nanny state 'fear everything' status it's currently in.

At least sex sells....

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

They show must be fantastic if they feel the need to hang around in the carpark outside, comparing mullets and wheel rims.

you're a RETARD. go back to hong kong.

mullets? wheel rims?

when going to ANY concert, you gather with your friends outside, in the giant parking lot and have a few beers, smoke a few joints, etc before the show. it's been going on since, well, I dunno, before woodstock?

bring beers to the show and you win. you don't so you lose. easy!

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

when going to ANY concert, you gather with your friends outside, in the giant parking lot and have a few beers, smoke a few joints, etc before the show. it's been going on since, well, I dunno, before woodstock?

Woodstock is way overhyped. Biggest mass gathering of retards since....every Republican Convention. People getting doped out and listening to some prat on a stage. Yawn. Rather go clubbing and snog some girl up.

[Rumor]

I motion to move this thread to the PL.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Woodstock is way overhyped. Biggest mass gathering of retards since....every Republican Convention. People getting doped out and listening to some prat on a stage. Yawn. Rather go clubbing and snog some girl up.

who gives a ****? I used it as a reference of time. meaning "people have been hanging out tailgating before concerts for ages".

you're arguing with yourself.

[residentEvil]

don't bother. the concept of going to a concert (or a sporting event or any thing like that) fails with a lot of people. why go to a baseball game when i can sit at home and watch it? why go to a concert when i have the cd? why do you go so early the even doesn't start for 2 hours? etc.

tailgating, more so for sports, is 1/2 the fun most the time. specially cooking the pre-pre-thanksgiving meal before a lions game in a foot of snow at 8am; drinking with friends and strangers in a parking lot. or opening day of baseball. game may be at 1pm, but the tailgating starts around 7am.

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

you're a RETARD. go back to hong kong.

I am in Hong Kong already, that's what "location" means.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by residentEvil 

don't bother. the concept of going to a concert (or a sporting event or any thing like that) fails with a lot of people. why go to a baseball game when i can sit at home and watch it? why go to a concert when i have the cd? why do you go so early the even doesn't start for 2 hours? etc.

tailgating, more so for sports, is 1/2 the fun most the time. specially cooking the pre-pre-thanksgiving meal before a lions game in a foot of snow at 8am; drinking with friends and strangers in a parking lot. or opening day of baseball. game may be at 1pm, but the tailgating starts around 7am.

I go to the concert or game for the concert of game. I like to get there, enjoy the event, and get away from the crowds as soon as possible. I do my partying at home where I don't have to worry about idiots turning over cars if their team loses and stuff like that. The last concert I went to was around last Christmas, and the bunch of us met at our seats. We enjoyed the heck out of the concert. Then we all went to dinner. That was great.

Now a "tailgate party" that does not hinge exclusively on how quickly the beer goes away is a different matter altogether, but those seem to be ancient history. Is beer ONLY for getting uber-blitzed with? Not to me, but it seems like it's that way to a lot of people. I remember when tailgate parties were a picnic without ants-some burgers or other sandwiches, maybe grilled steaks and chicken, and if there was beer, it was like one bottle with a pretty serious meal.

Maybe I'm wrong in expecting somewhat adult behavior in the context of adult activities...

[residentEvil]

maybe it the people around your tailgating then?

thanksgiving day lions game and opening day tigers are some of the biggest "extend family" events and is always fun. yes, there are idiots there just to drink 24 beers before the game and be wasted. for me, it is chance to grill some dead cow or make my special breakfast for as many people as i can and enjoy the start of a new baseball season or the chance to see the lions stink it up yet once again on national TV

the power drinking tailgating is mostly for those going to concerts (and doing drugs). only time i show up early is so i don't have to park in BFE.

sporting even tailgating is a hell of a lot more entertaining than concert ones and it really matters who, when and where.

[Super Mario]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

you're arguing with yourself.

"Allah" "God"

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by residentEvil 

maybe it the people around your tailgating then?

thanksgiving day lions game and opening day tigers are some of the biggest "extend family" events and is always fun. yes, there are idiots there just to drink 24 beers before the game and be wasted. for me, it is chance to grill some dead cow or make my special breakfast for as many people as i can and enjoy the start of a new baseball season or the chance to see the lions stink it up yet once again on national TV

the power drinking tailgating is mostly for those going to concerts (and doing drugs). only time i show up early is so i don't have to park in BFE.

sporting even tailgating is a hell of a lot more entertaining than concert ones and it really matters who, when and where.

You could have a serious point there. I remember grilling out back before watching a Lions game (I never got to actually attend a game when I was growing up Downriver), and those burgers were GREAT. But a lot of the tailgate parties I've seen have been at Southern sporting events-maybe the whole "try to drown in beer" thing is a Southern custom I haven't managed to understand in the last 30 years of living this far south. Of course football is a religion here in Texas, so most games are packed with zealots, even (maybe particularly) high school games. Maybe growing up with the dependably undependable Lions as "the home team" taught me something about games as games instead of "win at all costs" events.

In any case, when I go to any event, it's the event I go for, not getting wasted beforehand. When people focus on the alcohol and not the event, I try to stay away from them.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by GuiltlessMan 

Slavery is freedom. War is peace. The American people are responsible for letting the government turn into the nanny state 'fear everything' status it's currently in.

Doesn't everyone remember their first year of college?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

You like hanging around in car parks when there is a bar inside?
Is this just trailer trash or does everyone do it.

What makes you so much of a better person that you can call others trash?

We are all on the same boat honey.

Originally Posted by Super Mario 

Woodstock is way overhyped. Biggest mass gathering of retards since....every Republican Convention.

Sheesh this thread is a real winner. And full of tolerance.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Doesn't everyone remember their first year of college?

Unfortunately far too few people remember much of their first year of college. In many cases it's due to their "experimentation" with booze instead of paying attention to classes. This makes me quite angry, since I had to work my butt off to get into college in the first place, and all the well-off kids that piss away the advantage their parents give them is just obscene.

Diversion over, carry on.

[Kevin]

I am glad you posted that last sentence. Cause I was like what the...



I was strictly a pot smoker by college. And it wasn't that large amounts. Mostly a weekend thing.

I did my alcohol experimenting when I was 18-20. Just not for me.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

They show must be fantastic if they feel the need to hang around in the carpark outside, comparing mullets and wheel rims.

Uhh, everyone tailgates at concerts, I did for Tool this last month.

Are you being serious, or are you this lame usually?

[freudling]

What in the hell has happened to MacNN...

[Kevin]

Nothing is different at all..

[moonmonkey]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

What makes you so much of a better person that you can call others trash?

I didn't call anyone trash, but after a google picture search on tailgate party, I kind of guessed that they were the main attendees. 83 people were arrested and two fatal OD's before they had even entered the Ozzfest event, it hardly sounds like the cream of society.

People are taking this a bit seriously and my comments were obviously a bit to close to the bone for one forum member in particular, but him telling me to "go back to Hong Kong", doesn't do much to help with the stereotype.

Anyway no offence intended.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

I didn't call anyone trash, but after a google picture search on tailgate party, I kind of guessed that they were the main attendees. 83 people were arrested and two fatal OD's before they had even entered the Ozzfest event, it hardly sounds like the cream of society.

People are taking this a bit seriously and my comments were obviously a bit to close to the bone for one forum member in particular, but him telling me to "go back to Hong Kong", doesn't do much to help with the stereotype.

Anyway no offence intended.

One or two pictures on the Internet and one news report do not characterize the whole "tailgate party" culture. Your use of the term "trailer trash" is offensive in the extreme, particularly when it's obvious you have no experience with either the "tailgate party" culture or the overall American culture you characterize with "trailer trash." (Basically, we sort of reserve negatives like that for use among ourselves, because we sort of understand the financial and cultural dynamics that lead to what people here call "trailer trash.") On the other hand, telling someone to "go back to X" is pretty rude too. Neither statement was either helpful or suggestive of someone asking a question about the subject of the thread.

[Railroader]

Y'all should see a tailgate party for a U of Michigan game. Hundreds of motorhomes nicer than most houses with large panel TVs and grills that could be mistaken for large vehicles. And these people don't even go into the games.

[KeriVit]

Originally Posted by moonmonkey 

I didn't call anyone trash, but after a google picture search on tailgate party, I kind of guessed that they were the main attendees. 83 people were arrested and two fatal OD's before they had even entered the Ozzfest event, it hardly sounds like the cream of society.

People are taking this a bit seriously and my comments were obviously a bit to close to the bone for one forum member in particular, but him telling me to "go back to Hong Kong", doesn't do much to help with the stereotype.

Anyway no offence intended.

Well, I would hardly call the types that messed up this particular event up the cream of the crop. Heavy metal can attract a wide lot. (Notice I didn't mention the NASCAR lot) However, there are plenty of events and tailgaters that would blow your mind with the thoughts you have of them. Then there are also just regular joes havin' a few before going to overpay. Not necessarily buncha hicks tho.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Y'all should see a tailgate party for a U of Michigan game. Hundreds of motorhomes nicer than most houses with large panel TVs and grills that could be mistaken for large vehicles. And these people don't even go into the games.

Those Wolverines fans really know how to party-and you never hear about bad behavior in Ann Arbor on football weekends...

They still have the ugliest helmets in the world, but ya gotta love 'em anyway.

[freudling]

ghporter, Railroader...

Referral: "Is MacNN Dying?"

I don't know, the comments from you guys lately seem to be influenced from all of the riff raff nerdballs who have infiltrated this site.

Remember even 2 years ago, or farther back, just 3 years ago, things were pretty intelligent around here. Now it seems there is so much junk and stupid crap being posted and there doesn't seem like there is anything for seasoned posters like yourselves to do but... join them. I don't mean that as an insult.

[KeriVit]

Harsh.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by freudling 

ghporter, Railroader...

Referral: "Is MacNN Dying?"

I don't know, the comments from you guys lately seem to be influenced from all of the riff raff nerdballs who have infiltrated this site.

Remember even 2 years ago, or farther back, just 3 years ago, things were pretty intelligent around here. Now it seems there is so much junk and stupid crap being posted and there doesn't seem like there is anything for seasoned posters like yourselves to do but... join them. I don't mean that as an insult.

Tell me about it. A couple people have talked with me in PMs about ditching this place.

Also, I feel like I am walking on egg shells lately. I get infractions unless I post the most namby-pamby stuff. the hilarious stuff is that the mod who gives me the infractions insult me (in the infraction notice no less) far worse than anything I did. I think a lot of it has to do with inconsistent modding. Look at Macgeek2005's latest banning. I'll admit I have very little respect for the guy, but ban him for what little he did, when others get away with far worse??!? It doesn't make sense.