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wallinbl · Sep 11, 2007, 04:54 PM

I'm in a country where Cuban cigars are legal and was thinking about picking some up. I was look around the Internet to get a feel for whether the local prices are any good, and have found a number of places that state that they will ship Cuban cigars into the US. Is that legal, or are they shipping the Dominican version of the same brand into the US?

richwig83 · Sep 11, 2007, 05:04 PM

I didnt realise that cuban cigars were illegal in some places????

Captain Obvious · Sep 11, 2007, 05:17 PM

Embargo

And yes its illegal. I have never brought more over than I can carry on me. If you plan on bringing a box or more from where ever you are you have a much greater risk of being found out and fined up the ass.

voodoo · Sep 11, 2007, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by richwig83

I didnt realise that cuban cigars were illegal in some places????

Only in some nations that still haven't discovered the metric system

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Mrjinglesusa · Sep 11, 2007, 06:58 PM

It is not legal to import cigars of Cuban origin into the U.S. And, get this, as a U.S. citizen, it is illegal for you to purchase or smoke cigars of Cuban origin - even if you are in a country where it is considered legal.

Cuban Cigars are Illegal in the United States - Trade Embargo with Cuba

wallinbl · Sep 11, 2007, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

It is not legal to import cigars of Cuban origin into the U.S. And, get this, as a U.S. citizen, it is illegal for you to purchase or smoke cigars of Cuban origin - even if you are in a country where it is considered legal.

The government really feels compelled to tell me what I can and can't do when I'm in another country? What crap.

Captain Obvious · Sep 11, 2007, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by wallinbl

The government really feels compelled to tell me what I can and can't do when I'm in another country? What crap.

Well, its also illegal for an adult US citizen to have sex with a 13 year old even if its in a country where it is legal. You gonna go challege that one too?

mitchell_pgh · Sep 11, 2007, 07:08 PM

My local cigar shop guy says Cuban cigars are overblown. They sell for a premium... and the quality isn't necessarily as good or better than anywhere else.

wallinbl · Sep 11, 2007, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Well, its also illegal for an adult US citizen to have sex with a 13 year old even if its in a country where it is legal. You gonna go challege that one too?

No, but it is available about a block from here.

wallinbl · Sep 11, 2007, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

My local cigar shop guy says Cuban cigars are overblown. They sell for a premium... and the quality isn't necessarily as good or better than anywhere else.

Of course he does - he can't sell them. He may be right, but I never give much credit to a salesman's opinion of a competitive product (unless he says it's fantastic). Haven't smoked one, but they smell fantastic.

voodoo · Sep 11, 2007, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Well, its also illegal for an adult US citizen to have sex with a 13 year old even if its in a country where it is legal. You gonna go challege that one too?

Hehe I'm not surprised you've made yourself familiar with your rights as a pedophile in backwater countries

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Railroader · Sep 11, 2007, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Hehe I'm not surprised you've made yourself familiar with your rights as a pedophile in backwater countries

V

How do you know he's right?

el chupacabra · Sep 12, 2007, 09:18 AM

just find some cubans with costa rican labels and stickers on them and I never have a problem getting them in. By the way Cubans aren't what they used to be; no better than any other cigar in my opinion.

Dakarʒ · Sep 12, 2007, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Well, its also illegal for an adult US citizen to have sex with a 13 year old even if its in a country where it is legal. You gonna go challege that one too?

Do you suspect people who want Cuban cigars are also pedophiles?

G4ME · Sep 12, 2007, 09:23 AM

i have snuck a few Cohibas back from my trips to Mexico, i'd have to agree that you can find just as good cigars in the US.

osiris · Sep 12, 2007, 09:37 AM

Cuban cigars are over-rated. I've had enough in my day and think that Royal Jamaican Parklanes are far superior (at least pre-hurricane vintages).

RAILhead · Sep 12, 2007, 09:38 AM

Cubans suck, period. The old seeds are gone, and in fact, when the embargo was established, most of the good seed plant went to the Dominican Republic -- and that's why Dominicans are so dadgum good. Cubans, OTOH, no longer maintain their quality because the shop conditions, farming conditions, aging housing, etc., etc.

All that said, Cuban cigars = hype that's totally false. Get Podermos, Avos, or Ashtons.

Nivag · Sep 12, 2007, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Cubans suck, period. The old seeds are gone, and in fact, when the embargo was established, most of the good seed plant went to the Dominican Republic -- and that's why Dominicans are so dadgum good. Cubans, OTOH, no longer maintain their quality because the shop conditions, farming conditions, aging housing, etc., etc.

All that said, Cuban cigars = hype that's totally false. Get Podermos, Avos, or Ashtons.

I've also heard that the Dominican Republic cigars are best ones to get.

Mrjinglesusa · Sep 12, 2007, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Cubans suck, period. The old seeds are gone, and in fact, when the embargo was established, most of the good seed plant went to the Dominican Republic -- and that's why Dominicans are so dadgum good. Cubans, OTOH, no longer maintain their quality because the shop conditions, farming conditions, aging housing, etc., etc.

All that said, Cuban cigars = hype that's totally false. Get Podermos, Avos, or Ashtons.

You obviously know very little about Cuban cigars. The shop conditions, farming conditions, aging houses, etc., etc. are the best they have been in years. Anyone who knows Cuban cigars can tell you the quality in the last 2-3 years is the best it's been since 1996-1998.

Are there good domestic cigars out there? Absolutely. But to imply that Cuban cigars are overrated and full of hype just shows lack of knowledge and poor taste buds (or, that one has never had a real Cuban cigar). Keep in mind that probably 98% of places a tourist would buy a Cuban cigar in a foreign country (e.g., Jamaica, Bahamas, Mexico, etc.) are 110% FAKE.

Oh, and you forgot to mention Padron and Arturo Fuente. Great domestic cigar lines.

Dakarʒ · Sep 12, 2007, 12:27 PM

I seem to remember reading an advice column in Playboy back around '97 where they did state that Cubans no longer held the claim to fame that they did in the past and that was partly do to conditions in Cuba.

Mrjinglesusa · Sep 12, 2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

I seem to remember reading an advice column in Playboy back around '97 where they did state that Cubans no longer held the claim to fame that they did in the past and that was partly do to conditions in Cuba.

That was 10 years ago. From about 1999-2001 the quality of Cuban cigars was not that great. From about 2002to the present they are generally regarded (by the people who actually know something about them) as being in top form.

RAILhead · Sep 12, 2007, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

You obviously know very little about Cuban cigars. The shop conditions, farming conditions, aging houses, etc., etc. are the best they have been in years. Anyone who knows Cuban cigars can tell you the quality in the last 2-3 years is the best it's been since 1996-1998.

Are there good domestic cigars out there? Absolutely. But to imply that Cuban cigars are overrated and full of hype just shows lack of knowledge and poor taste buds (or, that one has never had a real Cuban cigar). Keep in mind that probably 98% of places a tourist would buy a Cuban cigar in a foreign country (e.g., Jamaica, Bahamas, Mexico, etc.) are 110% FAKE.

Oh, and you forgot to mention Padron and Arturo Fuente. Great domestic cigar lines.

Well, you're wrong.

Maybe you should pick up some recent cigar-related magazines and read up on the conditions in Cuba compared to those in other countries? Some internet research? You're the first person I've come across that's actually defending the plants in Cuba in I don't know how many years.

Oh well.

To each his own.

Mrjinglesusa · Sep 12, 2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Well, you're wrong.

Maybe you should pick up some recent cigar-related magazines and read up on the conditions in Cuba compared to those in other countries? Some internet research? You're the first person I've come across that's actually defending the plants in Cuba in I don't know how many years.

Oh well.

To each his own.

Pick up any issue of CA and read the ratings. Ever notice that 9 times out of 10 a CUBAN cigar is the top rated?

I find it highly unlikely that I am the only one who knows that the Cuban cigars of the past few years are phenomenal. Why don't you go and read some cigar forums where people who have been smoking Cuban cigars for 20+ years are highly impressed with the recent productions? I don't need to research it, because I smoke them on a regular basis. First hand knowledge is always better than second hand heresay.

Plus, I'll take the word of people who are knowledgeable on the subject, not cigar magazine editors who are beholden to their advertisers, who, by the way, sell DOMESTIC cigars.

I give you credit because you appear to know a lot about a lot of different things. However, in this particular case, you are talking out of your ass.

Railroader · Sep 12, 2007, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

I seem to remember reading an advice column in Playboy back around '97 where they did state that Cubans no longer held the claim to fame that they did in the past and that was partly do to conditions in Cuba.

What are these "columns" you speak of?

Railroader · Sep 12, 2007, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

Pick up any issue of CA and read the ratings. Ever notice that 9 times out of 10 a CUBAN cigar is the top rated?

I find it highly unlikely that I am the only one who knows that the Cuban cigars of the past few years are phenomenal. Why don't you go and read some cigar forums where people who have been smoking Cuban cigars for 20+ years are highly impressed with the recent productions? I don't need to research it, because I smoke them on a regular basis. First hand knowledge is always better than second hand heresay.

Plus, I'll take the word of people who are knowledgeable on the subject, not cigar magazine editors who are beholden to their advertisers, who, by the way, sell DOMESTIC cigars.

I give you credit because you appear to know a lot about a lot of different things. However, in this particular case, you are talking out of your ass.

Don't you find it odd that you recommend CA as a source of reliable information and then go on to trash it in the same post?

Mrjinglesusa · Sep 12, 2007, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Don't you find it odd that you recommend CA as a source of reliable information and then go on to trash it in the same post?

I never said the reviews were not worth reading. While somewhat subjective, they do tend to give a pretty good indication of a good cigar vs. a bad cigar. And the fact that recent vintage Cuban cigars are consistently very highly rated coincides with the opinions of most knowledgeable cigar smokers I know. I doubt you could find a handful of knowledgeable, experienced cigar smokers who would say that Cuban cigars are "all hype" and of "poor quality". Most who say that have never actually smoked a REAL Cuban cigar.

Besides, I was implying that the editorials in most (not all) cigar magazines were trash.

Newfie_Winger · Sep 12, 2007, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Well, you're wrong.

Maybe you should pick up some recent cigar-related magazines and read up on the conditions in Cuba compared to those in other countries? Some internet research? You're the first person I've come across that's actually defending the plants in Cuba in I don't know how many years.

Oh well.

To each his own.

Railhead, for me this is an ugly first post on a Forum, and I apologize to the MODs for it in advance.

That being said:

Having had the experience of several trips to Cuba, and I'm sure having smoked more of their products than you have ever seen, I think I qualify to tell you you have no idea what you're talking about.

Are there cigars such as Diamond Crown Maximus (I won't use acronyms because I'm doubtful if you'll know what they mean), Ashton Virgin Sun Grown, Padron '26 and '64's that can compare (depending on a person's particular tastes & preferences) to Cubans?? Sure there are. However, as a cigar producing Country, for you to put the place down as you do, man, you've been on some bad recreational drugs.

Have you ever seen estimates on the numbers of "real" Cuban cigars brought into the States illegally every year?? And you're telling the people who buy these they're wrong???

This is halarious.

I'm going to go find some info on the iPod now that a fine gentlemen has linked me to this site.

design219 · Sep 12, 2007, 02:40 PM

Welcome Newfie_Winger, you'll fit right in here. Great first post.

Doofy · Sep 12, 2007, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious

Well, its also illegal for an adult US citizen to have sex with a 13 year old even if its in a country where it is legal.

Originally Posted by voodoo

Hehe I'm not surprised you've made yourself familiar with your rights as a pedophile in backwater countries

*cough*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of...n_Europe#Spain

Railroader · Sep 12, 2007, 03:08 PM

Woah! Good find Doofy!!!

Dakarʒ · Sep 12, 2007, 03:09 PM

Locate that fact during your search for a new home country?

winky winky

Doofy · Sep 12, 2007, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Locate that fact during your search for a new home country?

No such luck (I like fur and boobies*) - I found it whilst looking for the age of consent in *cough*islamic*cough* countries during an argument. Photographic memory, so...

(* Did I ever mention that I like boobies? I must have hinted at it before now. Probably.)

voodoo · Sep 12, 2007, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

How do you know he's right?

Excuse me.. did you misquote me or are you dyslexic?

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Railroader · Sep 12, 2007, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Excuse me.. did you misquote me or are you dyslexic?

V

Huh?!?!

How's your little "backwater country"? (thanks again doofy!)

voodoo · Sep 12, 2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

*cough*
Ages of consent in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well I'll be darned! I probably would have known this had I been looking up laws about pedophilia like Captain Obvious apparently has been doing... for whatever reason...

(oh and in reality the age of consent is 18..)

V

wallinbl · Sep 12, 2007, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by RAILhead

Maybe you should pick up some recent cigar-related magazines and read up on the conditions in Cuba compared to those in other countries? Some internet research? You're the first person I've come across that's actually defending the plants in Cuba in I don't know how many years.

Can't speak to the taste at this point, but the smell is fantastic.

voodoo · Sep 12, 2007, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Huh?!?!

How's your little "backwater country"? (thanks again doofy!)

Snappy comeback slick

.. it wasn't a rhetorical question.

V

wallinbl · Sep 12, 2007, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

Keep in mind that probably 98% of places a tourist would buy a Cuban cigar in a foreign country (e.g., Jamaica, Bahamas, Mexico, etc.) are 110% FAKE.

Not in the islands right now - I'm in Asia. The cigar shop is very, very upscale and in a mall with Versace, D&G, Hermes, etc. I'm not saying they're 100% real, but given the surroundings, I'm inclined to believe in their authenticity.

voodoo · Sep 12, 2007, 09:23 PM

I find Cuban cigars, even Romeo y Julieta, to be far superior to any Dominican I've ever tried. They were a pleasure to smoke.

100% recommended.

V

Railroader · Sep 12, 2007, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Snappy comeback slick

.. it wasn't a rhetorical question.

V

Nerve. Touched. I.

His Dudeness · Sep 13, 2007, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

It is not legal to import cigars of Cuban origin into the U.S. And, get this, as a U.S. citizen, it is illegal for you to purchase or smoke cigars of Cuban origin - even if you are in a country where it is considered legal.

Cuban Cigars are Illegal in the United States - Trade Embargo with Cuba

Well slap the cuffs on me. I smoked a Cuban cigar when I was in Panama. Filthy capitalist pig dog that I am.

Kevin · Sep 13, 2007, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by el chupacabra

just find some cubans with costa rican labels and stickers on them and I never have a problem getting them in. By the way Cubans aren't what they used to be; no better than any other cigar in my opinion.

Come on. .. Only the tinest little kid hands take care in wrapping those cigars that tight. Communism produces the best cigars.

Kevin · Sep 13, 2007, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

*cough*
Ages of consent in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13? Dang

Someone is taking the term "If their is grass on the field, play ball" a little too seriously.

Mrjinglesusa · Sep 13, 2007, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by wallinbl

Not in the islands right now - I'm in Asia. The cigar shop is very, very upscale and in a mall with Versace, D&G, Hermes, etc. I'm not saying they're 100% real, but given the surroundings, I'm inclined to believe in their authenticity.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that there are not cigar stores in foreign countries that sell legitimate Cuban cigars. In fact, the Cuban cigars sell very well in the Asian market. However, for most Americans, the vast majority of "Cuban" cigars they will come across on travels to foreign countries are fake, unless they buy them from an official LCDH store. Little shops on the corner selling nick-nacks and Cuban cigars? Not so real...

shifuimam · Sep 13, 2007, 09:12 AM

I don't think I saw this in any of the posts thus far in this thread...

It is legal to buy and sell Cuban cigars that were physically made before the embargo. Obviously this is a finite supply of cigars, but I saw an ad for them in Northwest Airlines' SkyMall catalog a few months back.

voodoo · Sep 13, 2007, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Nerve. Touched. I.

Answering. You. Evaded. Nice duck.

Again.

V

Dakarʒ · Sep 13, 2007, 02:01 PM

Speak. Yoda. Like. Can. I.

Laminar · Sep 13, 2007, 04:01 PM

I can't, can I?

Railroader · Sep 13, 2007, 04:47 PM

Voodoo lives in a backwater country!!! And he doesn't know it!!!Man, this is lame.

voodoo · Sep 13, 2007, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Railroader

Voodoo lives in a backwater country!!! And he doesn't know it!!!Man, this is lame.

Let it be known that I am loath to explain a joke, but hey. Persistent fools deserve to have their fun spoiled. Doofy made a joke, because of what I wrote earlier.

Now Doofy knows, as do I, but you do not, that the age of consent is 13-14 in European countries, but at the same time it is 18.

If you knew anything (about our laws) then you would know you can't get any kind of consent from a person under 18. Thusly you need more than two 13-17 year old kids wanting to have sex for it to be legal, they also need permission from their parents.

So two sixteen-year-olds have sex without parental consent, their parents find out and one or both can be accused and convicted.

This is why archaic laws regarding age of consent are superceded by laws of self-determination.

So no person, not even Captain Obvious or you, can come to Spain and have sex with a 13 year old -- no matter how much he would desire it without breaking the law and ending up in prison. Even if that 13 year old agrees.

Damn I hate explaining jokes!

V