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I have a 42" Toshiba Regza LCD in my living room. I wanted a bigger screen, but not in the living room. The 42" will fit nicely in a hutch I'm getting, so it will be hidden away from view when the hutch is closed.

However, I have another room which is just the right setup for a projector. (The previous owners had a business projector setup there.)



I've ordered the Panasonic PT-AX200U:



"In short, the AX200 is one of the most versatile multi-purpose projectors we've yet seen for the home entertainment market. Last year's AX100U rated a full 5 stars across the board. The AX200 delivers even better performance at a lower price. It is a highly competitive offering in today's market and warrants another solid 5-star rating. Due to its versatility and attractive price, we expect the AX200 will be one of the hottest selling home theater projectors of the season."

It just showed up in people's hands in the US last month. It's not actually available here in Canada, so I'm getting it shipped up from Florida. Originally, I wasn't considering a projector, but at $1299 ($1999 MSRP), it's a steal for a high-contrast 2000 lumen 3-LCD machine.

I haven't figured out which screen to get yet, but I'm considering something between an 84-92" Carada screen, probably a matte white with 1.0 gain, or possibly a higher gain screen, up to 1.4 gain on white. However, I'll wait until after I have the projector before I order the screen.

Yeah, I'll have to control ambient light to make this work, but luckily this is a dedicated room for this so I can deal with that. Plus the Panasonic is one of the brightest home theatre projectors out there (2000 lumens). For the gamers, it also has a gaming mode which is like torch mode for those dark games like Gears of War or whatever.

So, any of you going this direction?

P.S. Is Monday a soft-holiday in the US? It seems I'm getting some info from one company today, but no response at all from another. (It's Thanksgiving here in Canada, so almost everything is closed.)
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 04:49 PM
 
I know several people going this route, but I still like LCD's myself. I don't really have the room for a projector setup, and LCD's seem to include more connectors and higher image quality for less money.
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Oct 8, 2007, 04:53 PM
 
Looks great. I picked up one of the Infocus deals from Woot last summer, and I've loved watching movies on the projector. I suppose it's a downside if you want to watch daytime television in a bright room, but sounds like that's no problem for you; and I only use it to watch movies in the evening anyway.

Sigh, I guess this is "life in the technology lane", as Steve would say; you're getting an HD, 3-LCD machine for not too much more than I spent for a refurb, non-HD, DLP machine.

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Yep, Monday is indeed a 'soft holiday' (never heard that term before, but it makes sense). It's Columbus Day (at least in most states, in a certain state which shall remain unnamed it's often referred to as Indigenous Peoples Day), a minor holiday that some people celebrate and others do not.
     
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OK, that explains why they're ignoring me. I'll try to get in touch with them again tomorrow.


Originally Posted by goMac View Post
I know several people going this route, but I still like LCD's myself. I don't really have the room for a projector setup, and LCD's seem to include more connectors and higher image quality for less money.
Projector: $1299
106" Screen: $200-2000, with excellent ones less than $1000.

Toshiba 52" LCD - $3300

Here is the back of the Panasonic projector:



2 x HDMI
1 x component
1 x VGA
1 x S-video
1 x composite
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 05:04 PM
 
i've been projection for years in my theater (various places i've lived); going 8 years now...

my current is a Sanyo PLV-Z4. awesome 720p projector; dual HDMI, dual Component, RGB, S-Video, and Composite. motorized LCD door to keep dust out when not in use.

http://www.hoedeman.net/hta/cimg0057.jpg

can't use the hole i had for my Epson Powerlite as the Sanyo vents out a side, not the back. Still working on finishing the hole so I can put it back where it belongs
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 05:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by residentEvil View Post
i've been projection for years in my theater (various places i've lived); going 8 years now...

my current is a Sanyo PLV-Z4. awesome 720p projector; dual HDMI, dual Component, RGB, S-Video, and Composite. motorized LCD door to keep dust out when not in use.



can't use the hole i had for my Epson Powerlite as the Sanyo vents out a side, not the back. Still working on finishing the hole so I can put it back where it belongs
Nice. Is that the Sanus universal mount by the way? That's what I've ordered, because I need to be able to extend the projector down below a vent in the ceiling.



If I use the old mount site in the pic, I'm not sure if I can project a 92" image (diag). I'm told I need 110" from the front of the projector. That site is about 113" from the screen, but I'd probably lose about 4" because of the size, and another half inch for the screen. However, an 88" image would be easily doable. At a viewing distance of 9', 92" may be a bit big anyway.
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 05:13 PM
 
yup; Sanus. not sure the model. but it was a universal one. i use them for all my mounts...

Sanus on this TV too:

http://www.hoedeman.net/hta/cimg0065.jpg

still have to route the HDMI cable correctly; but at the time i couldn't find anyone that made and HDMI wall plate...now they do
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 05:23 PM
 
I looked into a projector, but the bulbs put me off every single time. Why are they so damn expensive?
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 05:27 PM
 
now that i don't use my theater for normal TV watching; just movies...i get well over 2 years on a bulb. i find them for right around $325. i don't think that is too bad. my first Epson Powerlite; went through a bulb every 8 months or so...and at $560...that got to be too much.
     
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They're called lamps, not bulbs.
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
OK, that explains why they're ignoring me. I'll try to get in touch with them again tomorrow.



Projector: $1299
106" Screen: $200-2000, with excellent ones less than $1000.

Toshiba 52" LCD - $3300

Here is the back of the Panasonic projector:

2 x HDMI
1 x component
1 x VGA
1 x S-video
1 x composite
I don't disagree with you, but for people like me a TV makes a lot more sense. I have tuners and cable card and more inputs and 1080p and so on.... I'm guessing you already have a lot of AV equipment you could use for this setup.
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Originally Posted by nonhuman View Post
They're called lamps, not bulbs.
they are called both lamps and bulbs. lamps are what real projector stores call them, as do the manuals. bulbs is what crappy internet sites call them
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 06:13 PM
 
Assuming it gets anywhere near its advertised life, the lamp/bulb on the Panasonic should last me a few years. A replacement today would be $395.

The projector we have at work has been going for 5 years now, although it's probably got less than 1000 hours on it so far.

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I don't disagree with you, but for people like me a TV makes a lot more sense. I have tuners and cable card and more inputs and 1080p and so on.... I'm guessing you already have a lot of AV equipment you could use for this setup.
Well, video-switching receivers and separate HDMI/component switchers are a bonus too. Remember even the most endowed TVs generally don't have more than 3 HDMI inputs, with most having two.

But I do see where you're coming from. If I had only one screen, it'd be a standard flat screen TV (LCD or plasma). I couldn't imagine using a front projector as my only TV. The reason for me though has nothing to do with number of inputs though.
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 07:27 PM
 
i let the Onkyo do everything; send one HDMI and one component to the projector (HDMI for dvd, cable/sat depending on the current deal and soon to be a dual format HD dvd player; component for video games).

my Onkyo upconverts all composit and s-video to component too so when i plug in and older video game or vcr, i'm good to go.

i had been using the theater for TV too; for well almost all 8 years i've had one. now in a house, i have a normal TV in the bedroom and garage but those don't get used as much obviously as the theater. now i have a new slimline tube HD in the living room...that should cut down the lamp life big time in the theater.

as for the LCD in the game room; i feed that with HDMI from the onkyo too. and depending on if i want same source or dual source from the theater; i may move it to the actual video source. just depends. like movie night; and people want to play pool...i plug the HDMI from the LCD right to the cable box for ESPN HD and leave the onkyo just for the theater.

obviously, i'm moving a cable...but it isn't that big of deal. the back side of my electronics setup is open so i CAN do it.
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 08:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by Eug View Post
However, I'll wait until after I have the projector before I order the screen.
Have you considered painting the wall instead of getting a screen? That's what I did, mostly because I wanted to keep the 11' of display and no reasonably priced screen was that big. But also I think it looks a lot cleaner with the projector off than having a rolled up screen sitting there, and it takes up less space. It cost about $20 for a quart of standard white ceiling paint.

Also for ambient light you can get blackout fabric from any fabric store for dirt cheap, and pin it up behind your curtains. I can watch the projector any time of day, and I have floor to ceiling windows in that room.
     
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Have you considered painting the wall instead of getting a screen? That's what I did, mostly because I wanted to keep the 11' of display and no reasonably priced screen was that big. But also I think it looks a lot cleaner with the projector off than having a rolled up screen sitting there, and it takes up less space. It cost about $20 for a quart of standard white ceiling paint.

Also for ambient light you can get blackout fabric from any fabric store for dirt cheap, and pin it up behind your curtains. I can watch the projector any time of day, and I have floor to ceiling windows in that room.
I thought about it, and had considered even going as far as spending $$$ on that specialized screen goo stuff they have for wall-painting purposes. The thing about the standard matte paints is that most of the reports said that while it works OK, it's noticeably less nice than a good screen. There are specialized DIY formulations that apparently work, but when it came down to it, I thought I'd rather just spend the money right from the beginning on a proper screen.

BTW, I'd get a fixed frame screen, not a pull down or electric one. The room is otherwise unused, so it's fine to have a screen on the wall there all the time.
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 09:08 PM
 
I did the wall with normal white paint in my loft; then with the special screen paint. When I bought my house; tried the special screen paint again. I finally got a real fixed frame screen. Picture is 100x better.

I went for the Draper Onyx HiDef Grey 106" diag...

Draper Onyx Fixed Frame Screen

As the room is a dedicated theater; fixed frame all the way.
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 09:12 PM
 
This is the screen I am considering. Now I have to decide if I want Classic Cinema White (1.0 gain) or Brilliant White (1.4 gain).

Carada Criterion Fixed Frame 16:9 Screen

I also need to get some dimmers for this room. Right now it's either lights on or lights off. Nothing in between.
     
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Oct 8, 2007, 09:32 PM
 
I had a projector. Bulb went after about 400 hours. Considering I used it very rarely that was about 1 years worth of use. I decided against getting a new lamp, and just bought a 47" lcd. I may get a projector again one day, but not right now.
     
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Originally Posted by Teronzhul View Post
I had a projector. Bulb went after about 400 hours. Considering I used it very rarely that was about 1 years worth of use. I decided against getting a new lamp, and just bought a 47" lcd. I may get a projector again one day, but not right now.
Which projector? Some of the lamps for Optoma projectors had a habit of dying after about 500 hours for example.
     
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Infocus SP5000. I suppose I should have purchased the extended bulb warranty, but as I said it was used sparsely. It was a crummy projector anyway.
     
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Yeah, see, there was no way I was spending $600 on a screen that would limit me to 2/3 my current viewing size. I'm still curious how much difference it makes, but I can't afford to find out. Can you do a comparison, and post pictures?

I just passed year 3 on my first bulb; I had it serviced once under warranty, but I don't think they replaced the bulb.
     
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I thought about it, and had considered even going as far as spending $$$ on that specialized screen goo stuff they have for wall-painting purposes. The thing about the standard matte paints is that most of the reports said that while it works OK, it's noticeably less nice than a good screen. There are specialized DIY formulations that apparently work, but when it came down to it, I thought I'd rather just spend the money right from the beginning on a proper screen.

BTW, I'd get a fixed frame screen, not a pull down or electric one. The room is otherwise unused, so it's fine to have a screen on the wall there all the time.
Have you thought about a laminate DIY screen?
Very inexpensive for what you get and you don't have to worry about even coats of paint.
Also extremely durable.
I found a thread about Wilsonart laminate about the time I had my theater done and it was well worth the research.
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Originally Posted by cjrivera View Post
Have you thought about a laminate DIY screen?
Very inexpensive for what you get and you don't have to worry about even coats of paint.
Also extremely durable.
I found a thread about Wilsonart laminate about the time I had my theater done and it was well worth the research.
I thought about it, and then decided against it. I also found the Wilsonart thread, but decided the compromises and time/work involved weren't worth the money saved to me. YMMV.
     
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Originally Posted by residentEvil View Post
I did the wall with normal white paint in my loft; then with the special screen paint. When I bought my house; tried the special screen paint again. I finally got a real fixed frame screen. Picture is 100x better.

I went for the Draper Onyx HiDef Grey 106" diag...

Draper Onyx Fixed Frame Screen

As the room is a dedicated theater; fixed frame all the way.
I will let my dad know. He has a projector in his basement and projects it on the wall. He blames the bad picture on the lack of total darkness, but I'll tell him to try a screen.
     
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Depends on the wall, but some walls are better than others. That said, residentEvil's advice is duly very true.

P.S. What do you call those tubes/conduits that you glue to the wall and stick wires through? I want to buy some for this place but don't know what to ask for when I go the hardware store.
     
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On the debate of an actual LCD v. a projector.
How good of a projector would I need to do PiP or be able to split the projector in showing 4 channels at once? Maybe two tv channels, one computer, another computer, or all tv channels, etc. Combinations are anything, but I would like to be able to do this.

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On the debate of an actual LCD v. a projector.
How good of a projector would I need to do PiP or be able to split the projector in showing 4 channels at once? Maybe two tv channels, one computer, another computer, or all tv channels, etc. Combinations are anything, but I would like to be able to do this.
Just get a cable/satellite box that supports PiP and plug it into any projector.
     
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I think he's actually wondering about a projector that will let him view multiple inputs simultaneously, not just PiP TV.
     
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my old epson powerlite allowed me to have to projector inputs on at the same time (and "draw" on the screen with the remote...ala Madden). the PiP if you will, i could select any source for the other image. but, it only did 2 and not side by side. it was always a small window (but i could move it anywhere) and then flop back and forth. so what i would do at the loft with my security cam system, tv and computer was:

computer in VGA
cable in Component
security in Composite

if i was using my computer in VGA, i would have TV or security cam n a PiP window. changing PiP source, i could flip back and forth between TV and the cam.
     
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There are others out there that will do side by side IIRC. I don't know for sure, but I suspect some may do PiP too. However, I don't recall seeing any that do 4 on one screen.
     
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Interesting. I contacted one of the screen companies - Carada - and they advised against a high gain (1.4) white screen with my projector at my mounting distance.

They suggested a grey (0.8) screen, or perhaps a matte white standard gain (1.0) screen. However, they also said I can wait to decide... They're sending me some fabric samples so I can compare with my own eyes. Great service.
     
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Oct 10, 2007, 04:10 PM
 
The BW Carada screen would probably blind you with the projector you are using. I have a 96" BW Carada I'm using with at Mits HD1000, which is rated at about half the lumens of the Panny projector, and it is plenty bright even when using economy mode. Unless you're going to be using it exclusively for movie watching I'd go with the standard white.

Spend the extra bucks and get the Criteron frame. The trickiest part of installing one of these screen is getting the hardware mounted to the wall and that's not really that difficult. The rest just fits together easily.

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Oct 10, 2007, 04:35 PM
 
So would you say that it'd be worth my while to go from my current sheet on the wall to an actual screen?
     
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I believe it will make your viewing experience better. I won't go back to painted walls.
     
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The projector and Sanus ceiling mount are here but.... ARRGGGHH, the model of mount they sent me is missing the extension tube and adapter to lower the projector.



I need the extension to clear the vent:



The store contacted the manufacturer immediately and they're sending me the extra pieces. Good service (from both the store and the manufacturer), but it means I'll have to wait a few days until I can mount the thing properly.

Not a big deal since I don't have a screen yet. In fact I don't even have furniture in that room either so I'd have to sit on cheap folding chairs or something anyway.
     
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Oct 10, 2007, 10:01 PM
 
yup; that is the mount i got.

and oh, for chairs...i got something new coming in next month

two sets of these: STADIUM SEAT SALES – Ongoing

now, it isn't fancy leather with cup holders and recline...but it will make an awesome back row and i will put a loveseat in front of them. the seats will go nicely with the decor in the adjoining room:

http://www.hoedeman.net/hta/cimg0066.jpg
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yup; that is the mount i got.

and oh, for chairs...i got something new coming in next month

two sets of these: STADIUM SEAT SALES � Ongoing

now, it isn't fancy leather with cup holders and recline...but it will make an awesome back row and i will put a loveseat in front of them. the seats will go nicely with the decor in the adjoining room:

http://www.hoedeman.net/hta/cimg0066.jpg
http://www.hoedeman.net/hta/cimg0067.jpg
Nice. How are you going to mount them?
I have 2 seats from the old Busch Stadium that I want to put up (as freestanding seats), but wasn't sure how I was going to do it.
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in the link to the seats, you can see how they will mount. there is a base/bracket for each arm (3 arms for two seats). i will make a one step platform for the the seats. the bottom plate of the bracket will screw into the platform decking and on into the platform runners. the back plate of the bracket will screw into another runner on the back wall. the platform will be blacked out (as is the ceiling). it will blend nicely.
     
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Oct 11, 2007, 09:59 AM
 
So, 92" is too big for my tastes. 88" is OK, but shortly after I set the projector up, I started feeling very, very sick... No, not because of the image, but because I got food poisoning from the restaurant I went to a little earlier. Thus, I didn't get too much testing of the AX200U done yesterday.

Anyways, I think I'll go for an 84" for my 9' seating distance. That's a seating distance of 1.5X screen width. (73" x 1.5 = 110" or 9'2".) With 88" I kept wanting to move my seat back a few feet. I'd be perfectly happy with an 80" screen, but like I said I may get an 84". (At 9', it's 1.55X screen width for an 80", and 1.48X screen width for an 84".) The optical lens shift in this unit is VERY handy. I've very glad I went with this unit. The lack of lens shift in the DLP units I was checking out would have annoyed me to no end.

It's hard to tell colour accuracy right now on my setup since the wall has a slight olive green tint. In terms of brightness and blacks... Blacks in torch mode aren't the greatest, but they're OK in the lower power mode.

I was advised by Carada screens to get the 0.8 gain grey screen, but I'm not so sure since I'm thinking the skies will be a little dull with that. Yes, the Panasonic is powerful at 88" at 9' away, but it's not as if I want to run the thing at game mode power all the time. The unit is noticeably louder in game mode. It's quiet in Cinema mode, but it isn't silent.

I'm leaning toward getting a 1.0 gain matte white Carada at this point, but I'm still waiting for the fabric swatches to make my final decision. Carada suggested not to get the 1.4 gain brilliant white, and at this point I think I agree.



(Pitch Black, from the 360 HD DVD, over VGA. Sorry for the image quality.)

I need to paint the room though, since turning on the projector is like turning on a low light for other parts of the room. There is a lot of light reflection in the room.

I must say though that I'd be disappointed with a projector for gaming that wasn't as bright as this one. For movies I liked the lower light Cinema 1 mode. However, for games, these Cinema modes are simply too dim, esp. if there's the least bit of light in the room. I just couldn't imagine using an older generation less powerful projector for some games. The PT-AX200U's superbright game mode really does come in handy.

One problem I noticed is that the image from the 360 is shifted left over VGA. However, I believe this was also an issue with the Xbox 360 on other TVs as well IIRC, so I'm not sure if the Panny's fault, or if it's a fault with both devices when used together. I think it was less shifted with a 1080p60 signal than a 720p60 signal, but both were shifted. With 720p60 gaming screen text was slightly clearer, but movies weren't. I can compensate with the Panasonic image shift function (which has nothing to do with the optical lens shift), but it's still annoying that it isn't perfectly aligned out of the box. I'm sticking with 1080p60 because of movies looking better. I don't know if there is any shift over HDMI, since I haven't tried that yet. I haven't tried component yet either. BTW, 720p60 gave me a weird judder effect that was absent with 1080p60.



Screen door effect was remarkably well-controlled. You can see it... if you stand next to the screen, but it's basically invisible at 4' on my 88'' scre... err... wall.



The best place to look for SDE in that pic is in the smoke, but like I said it's invisible at normal seating distances. Panasonic's Smooth Screen technology works VERY well. The image remains sharp, but screen door effect is eliminated for any reasonable seating distances, even on this 720p unit. This is in stark contrast to most of the other LCD-based 720p units, like for instance the Sony Bravia VPL-AW15:

Overall, I like the Sony AW15 and would recommend it subject to two important caveats: (1) it must be used in a dark viewing space to get the true contrast benefit from it, and (2) the viewer must sit at a distance of at least 1.8x the screen width in order to eliminate the intrusion of pixelation and screendoor effects. However, if you have a theater room that can accommodate these requirements, the AW15 is capable of producing a beautiful picture for the money.
     
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P.S. Excuse the mess. It will be a couple of weeks before most of the setup is finished.
     
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Looks good. A screen will really make that projector image pop!

Unfortunately I am not living in a location/situation that is friendly to a projector or else that would be the route I'd go.
     
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Yeah, I'm ordering a screen once I get the fabric swatches. I don't know what screen fabric to get just yet.

In the meantime, I've finally mounted the thing... and the image is too high, even if I use lots of downwards lens shift. I've ordered an 8" extension to lower it down a bit, but that hasn't arrived yet. This is what it looks like for now:





With my mounting position, an 88" screen is pushing it. The image above is 88", but the max I can go is 89", so that doesn't leave me much wiggle room. So, I'm considering downsizing to about 86" or 87".
     
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Yep, Monday is indeed a 'soft holiday' (never heard that term before, but it makes sense). It's Columbus Day (at least in most states, in a certain state which shall remain unnamed it's often referred to as Indigenous Peoples Day), a minor holiday that some people celebrate and others do not.
My home state celebrates Native American Day on that day.

Makes sense to me - why do we need to give a holiday to a guy who wasn't the first to discover the New World, committed a bunch of atrocities against the native people, and finally couldn't event figure out that he was on the opposite side of the world from where he thought he was? Popular myth likes to make out Columbus as having a hard time to get the people in charge to authorize his voyage because they thought the world was flat, whereas in reality it was because Columbus's measurements of the size of the world were wrong, and everyone knew it but him. He was lucky that there was another continent in the way that he hadn't figured on being there, or he would have died at sea.

Plus, of course, there's the fact that he killed and enslaved lots of people on the islands he discovered... this guy doesn't deserve his own holiday. IMO.
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Nice image from the projector.

Make sure you post pics after you get your screen up.

Did you decide on the screen yet?
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My home state celebrates Native American Day on that day.

Makes sense to me - why do we need to give a holiday to a guy who wasn't the first to discover the New World, committed a bunch of atrocities against the native people, and finally couldn't event figure out that he was on the opposite side of the world from where he thought he was? Popular myth likes to make out Columbus as having a hard time to get the people in charge to authorize his voyage because they thought the world was flat, whereas in reality it was because Columbus's measurements of the size of the world were wrong, and everyone knew it but him. He was lucky that there was another continent in the way that he hadn't figured on being there, or he would have died at sea.

Plus, of course, there's the fact that he killed and enslaved lots of people on the islands he discovered... this guy doesn't deserve his own holiday. IMO.
Oh sure. Native American Day, or Indigenous Peoples Day, or whatever you want to call it makes a whole lot more sense than Columbus Day. But it's a pretty empty gesture. I doubt many American Indians see it as anything more than patronizing considering that they get very little other recognition and are still being screwed over after 600 years.
     
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Nice image from the projector.

Make sure you post pics after you get your screen up.

Did you decide on the screen yet?
I'm getting a Carada Criterion 16:9 fixed screen, somewhere between 86" and 88". (Luckily they do custom sizing for no extra cost. ie. Their sizes are 84 and 88", but they'll do an 86" or 87" for the same price as an 88".)

However, I'm waiting for the fabric swatches to arrive, before I get the screen. They have an option of grey, white, and brilliant white, with gains of 0.8, 1.0, and 1.3 respectively.

BTW, I ran the Transformers HD DVD through this thing yesterday. Nice... even on my bare wall.




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In the meantime, I've finally mounted the thing... and the image is too high, even if I use lots of downwards lens shift. I've ordered an 8" extension to lower it down a bit, but that hasn't arrived yet. This is what it looks like for now:

Sanus is great. Projector People is great too. When I told Projector People I didn't get the pieces for extending the mount as expected in the box, they conference called with me and the manufacturer - Sanus. It turns out I got a different older model which didn't include the pieces. Sanus immediately sent out the pieces to me. However, they charged me zilch, both for the item and the shipping, and it arrived via international courier in 2 days. That's what I call service, from both sides.

However, it still wasn't long enough. Luckily they just use tarted up plumbing pipe for the extension tube. So, I went to the hardware store and added my own extension:



It ain't beautiful, but it works. The image is now in the perfect spot, but I still may go and get a slightly longer piece of pipe later to lower it one more inch or two, so I can use less lens shift. The image still looks great despite the marked lens shift (see the lens shift knob on the left side), but adding a longer piece would give me a little more adjustability just in case. If I lower it 2 more inches, the projector will be only 6'1 off the ground though, so I'm hesitant to do that. But it's great having the option. The piping only costs about $2.
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Nice choice, I hope one day to get a nice projector. It'd be cool to play some games on it, and ofcourse for some cartoons
     
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Whoa. I know it isn't done and you don't have a screen but either that window needs some blinds or you need to set the values on your projector better.

Your black levels look really bright and washed especially for the awesome transfer of that movie.

here is how mine looks in comparison.
     
 
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