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Oct 21, 2007, 03:43 PM
 
OK, I got some documents under freedom of information, blah, blah, blah and so on. They are photocopies of the originals. So what they did to parts (for some reason) they didn't want me to see was obliterate it with a china marker (grease pencil for you knobheads).

I tried the looking up against the light trick but no luck.

Since photocopies are very easy to destroy, the print that is. Is there any way to uncover enough of the china marker to not affect what's underneath at least too much?

Maybe red colored glasses or some such or x-ray specs? Beat you to the joke.

Any CSI fans out there? Maybe it was on one their shows.
     
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Oct 21, 2007, 03:51 PM
 
Brake cleaner will do it, and probably WD-40. Just spray it on then lay it down on a towel to let it dissolve. It may take a long time, and it may ruin the paper -- but that's all I know to try.
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Oct 21, 2007, 03:54 PM
 
Maybe you should make a photocopy of something and mark it up with a grease pencil yourself so you can experiment with different ways of doing it?
     
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Oct 21, 2007, 04:20 PM
 
Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster View Post
OK, I got some documents under freedom of information, blah, blah, blah and so on. They are photocopies of the originals. So what they did to parts (for some reason) they didn't want me to see was obliterate it with a china marker (grease pencil for you knobheads).

I tried the looking up against the light trick but no luck.

Since photocopies are very easy to destroy, the print that is. Is there any way to uncover enough of the china marker to not affect what's underneath at least too much?

Maybe red colored glasses or some such or x-ray specs? Beat you to the joke.

Any CSI fans out there? Maybe it was on one their shows.
It was obliterated for a reason.

You don't need to see it.

Get over it.

Move on (.ugh)
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Oct 21, 2007, 04:55 PM
 
Search teh intarweb. I'm sure there's a way to do it without removing the toner from the copies.
How about removing it with an iron and a paper towel?

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Oct 21, 2007, 05:10 PM
 
Dadgummit, just do what I said and all will be well with the world.
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Oct 21, 2007, 05:14 PM
 
Just make sure you practice with some sample photocopies before you try the documents themselves!
     
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Oct 21, 2007, 05:43 PM
 
Originally Posted by RAILhead View Post
Dadgummit, just do what I said and all will be well with the world.
But you said that your method might ruin the paper which, in turn, would probably destroy the information that he's trying to uncover...
     
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Oct 21, 2007, 05:47 PM
 
Its called redaction, and generally speaking the type of marker they use generally does not allow any type of removal. Unless the folks doing the redaction were n00bs I'd not waste the time trying to undo it.

Lawyers and the government do this sort of thing all of the time, so I suspect they know a thing or too about covering up stuff you're not supposed to see.

As Abe said they did it for a reason, just move on and not worry about it.
     
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Oct 21, 2007, 06:04 PM
 
Zzzank you.

     
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Oct 21, 2007, 06:08 PM
 
What you want to do isn't possible, the information isn't present. Unless the copy guys made a serious error.

• Original document, with classified info present.
A. Make a photocopy of the original. (Copy #1)
B. Return the original to storage.
C. Whip out the grease marker, and blot out the interesting stuff.
D. Make a photocopy of the the marked-out Copy #1.
E. Destroy Copy #1, the one that had the grease marker on top of the interesting stuff.
F. Pass out Copy #2 to Atomic Rooster.

You'd need to have Copy #1 in order to remove the marker blots. But in fact, you have Copy #2, which doesn't contain the info on the illegal government conspiracy. In order to extract anything, the copy guys would have to have screwed up and given you Copy #1 by mistake.
     
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Oct 21, 2007, 06:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by nonhuman View Post
But you said that your method might ruin the paper which, in turn, would probably destroy the information that he's trying to uncover...
I think that's he wanted me to do thinking I'm a complete doofus like his self.

     
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Oct 21, 2007, 06:16 PM
 
Just let us know what you did and whether or not it works.

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Oct 21, 2007, 06:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
What you want to do isn't possible, the information isn't present. Unless the copy guys made a serious error.

• Original document, with classified info present.
A. Make a photocopy of the original. (Copy #1)
B. Return the original to storage.
C. Whip out the grease marker, and blot out the interesting stuff.
D. Make a photocopy of the the marked-out Copy #1.
E. Destroy Copy #1, the one that had the grease marker on top of the interesting stuff.
F. Pass out Copy #2 to Atomic Rooster.

You'd need to have Copy #1 in order to remove the marker blots. But in fact, you have Copy #2, which doesn't contain the info on the illegal government conspiracy. In order to extract anything, the copy guys would have to have screwed up and given you Copy #1 by mistake.
I don't know, just knowing some local government offices, you'd be surprised how amateurish people can be.
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Oct 22, 2007, 12:52 PM
 
Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster View Post
Any CSI fans out there? Maybe it was on one their shows.
I can't stand that show.

"Hey, look, a gun! I'll pick it up with my pen and move the evidence around before they have a chance to photograph the crime scene."

"Hey, look, a bullet hole in the wall! I'll stick my pen in and it disturb the evidence before ballistics takes a look at it."

"Hey, look, a bullet hole in a corpse! I'll stick my pen in it and disturbe the evidence before the corinor can take a look at it."

So the asailant threw the gun 15 feet over there, a shot went off and hit the wall at an extremely unlikely and obscure angle, then viciously stabbed the victim with a pen.
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Oct 22, 2007, 01:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
I can't stand that show.

"Hey, look, a gun! I'll pick it up with my pen and move the evidence around before they have a chance to photograph the crime scene."

"Hey, look, a bullet hole in the wall! I'll stick my pen in and it disturb the evidence before ballistics takes a look at it."

"Hey, look, a bullet hole in a corpse! I'll stick my pen in it and disturbe the evidence before the corinor can take a look at it."

So the asailant threw the gun 15 feet over there, a shot went off and hit the wall at an extremely unlikely and obscure angle, then viciously stabbed the victim with a pen.
AHHAHAHAH. The original CSI was the best. Then they came out with the other shows, including miami, with a HORRIBLE lead actor who can't deliver a line to save his life.

I hate CSI now, they have ruined it for me. Toodles!
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Oct 22, 2007, 02:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
I can't stand that show.

"Hey, look, a gun! I'll pick it up with my pen and move the evidence around before they have a chance to photograph the crime scene."

"Hey, look, a bullet hole in the wall! I'll stick my pen in and it disturb the evidence before ballistics takes a look at it."

"Hey, look, a bullet hole in a corpse! I'll stick my pen in it and disturbe the evidence before the corinor can take a look at it."

So the asailant threw the gun 15 feet over there, a shot went off and hit the wall at an extremely unlikely and obscure angle, then viciously stabbed the victim with a pen.
Geez, its just a TV show. Fiction. You know, stuff that really isn't true. How entertaining would it be to watch 60 minutes of actual CSI investigations?
     
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Oct 22, 2007, 03:10 PM
 
Really

Seems olePigeon seems wrapped a little too tight on tv shows. Relax, its all fiction anyways
     
   
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