[abe]

Oct 26, 4:17 PM EDT

Woman Charged in 'Internet Revenge' Case

WATERFORD, Conn. (AP) -- A 34-year-old woman has been charged with using the Internet to try to get revenge on an old boyfriend by breaking up his marriage. Pilar Stofega has been charged with second-degree harassment and breach of peace and released on $2,500 bond.

Waterford police say she created phony profiles of the former boyfriend's current wife on some adult Web sites that included the wife's home and work phone numbers and high school yearbook picture.

Stofega said she did to it "to be vindictive, knowing that the profiles would create marital problems between" the victim and her husband, according to court documents.

News from The Associated Press

[turtle777]

People harrasing others over the intarwebs ?

That's news ?

-t

[abe]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

People harrasing others over the intarwebs ?

That's news ?

-t

You mind your P's and Q's.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by abe 

You mind your P's and Q's.

P's and Q's what?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by abe 

You mind your P's and Q's.

I totally don't mind them, whatever they are.

-t

[pinenuts]

Post and run post and run post and run. Rinse, repeat. W0wzerZ

[abe]

Originally Posted by pinenuts 

Post and run post and run post and run. Rinse, repeat. W0wzerZ

How about this?

*smack you in your silly face*

And run?

But the red mark won't rinse off for a day or so.

W0wzerZ

[abe]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

P's and Q's what?

Pints and Quarts?

Mind your Ps and Qs

Meaning

Be on your best behaviour; be careful of your language.

Ps and Qs are just the plural of the letters P and Q. There some disagreement amongst grammarians about how to spell Ps and Qs - either upper-case or lower-case and either with or without a hyphen. You may see the phrase as mind your p's and q's or mind your Ps and Qs or (occasionally) mind your P's and Q's or (rarely) as mind your ps and qs.

As well as the spelling, the original meaning is also in doubt. Francis Grose, in his 1785 edition of The Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, defines it like this:

"To mind one's P's and Q's; to be attentive to the main chance."

Origin

The date of the coinage of mind your Ps and Qs is uncertain. The OED used to print a citation from 1779 but, as they have now withdrawn it from the online version of the dictionary, presumably they consider it unreliable.

So, the meaning, spelling and coinage of the phrase are all debatable. Now we come to what is really uncertain - the derivation. Nevertheless, it is one of those phrases that people know the origin of. When pressed all that really means is that the person they heard explain the origin had made a random choice from the list of proposed derivations below. As no one knows the origin I'll just list those suggestions - mind your ps and qs probably derives from one of these:

- Mind your pints and quarts. This is suggested as deriving from the practise of chalking up a tally of drinks in English pubs (on the slate). Publicans had to make sure to mark up the quart drinks as distinct from the pint drinks. This explanation is widely repeated but there's little to support it, apart from the fact that pint and quart begin with p and q.

- Advice to printer’s apprentices to avoid confusing the backward-facing metal type lowercase Ps and Qs. I've never heard any suggestion that printer should mind their ds and bs though, even though that has the benefit of rhyming, which would have made it a more attractive slogan.

- Mind your pea (jacket) and queue (wig). Pea jackets were short, rough woollen overcoats, commonly worn by sailors in the 18th century. Perruques were full wigs worn by fashionable gentlemen. It is difficult to imagine the need for an expression to warn people to avoid confusing them.

- Mind your pieds (feet) and queues (wigs). This is suggested to have been an instruction given by French dancing masters to their charges. This has the benefit of placing the perruque in the right context - so long as we accept the phrase as being originally French. There's no reason to suppose it is from France and no version of the phrase exists in French.

- It is advice to children learning to write to take care not to mix up the lower-case letters p and q. Again, the 'd' and 'b' counter argument applies.

- It derived as reminder to children to be polite. This is supposed to be as a form of 'mind your pleases and thank-yous' - 'mind you pleases and kyous'. Pretty far-fetched that one.

- P and q stands for "prime quality." There is, or rather was as this now seems to have also been withdrawn, a 1612 citation which links PQ with 'prime quality'. If that's the origin why isn't the phrase mind your PQ?

So, pay nothing and take your choice. For what it's worth, my virtual two-penneth goes to the advice to children who were learning to write. Mind your Ps and Qs

Or maybe it means, Pissing and *****ing?

[abe]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

I totally don't mind them, whatever they are.

-t

Does that mean you just piss and q*u*e*e*f as you please?

[iMOTOR]

Technically speaking, it's only the "p's" and the "q's" you must mind. The "P's" and the "Q's" are no worry.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by iMOTOR 

Technically speaking, it's only the "p's" and the "q's" you must mind. The "P's" and the "Q's" are no worry.

My thought exactly.

Abe, you should work on your Engrish.

-t

[abe]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

My thought exactly.

Abe, you should work on your Engrish.

-t

That's an offensive comment that makes fun of Asians.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by abe 

That's an offensive comment that makes fun of Asians.

Then report me

-t

[iMOTOR]

Originally Posted by abe 

makes fun of Asians.

I don't think any fun was made in this thread.

Maybe next time.

[abe]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Then report me

-t

If that's the only offensive thing you do it will be an improvement.

We have a double standard for you and everyone knows it.

You harass and derail and make fun of people and the way they speak and we all just consider it regular turtle excrement.

[abe]

Originally Posted by iMOTOR 

I don't think any fun was made in this thread.

Maybe next time.

Good point, iMOTOR.

But let's get back to the thread topic.

Have any of you ever been harassed on the internet by a jealous woman? (And no, I don't mean turtle.)

[iMOTOR]

Originally Posted by abe 

harassed on the internet by a jealous woman? (And no, I don't mean turtle.)

BTW, why do you withhold your location from us?

Clearly I'm from San Diego and turtle is making a comeback. Where do you hang your hat?

[abe]

Originally Posted by iMOTOR 

BTW, why do you withhold your location from us?

Clearly I'm from San Diego and turtle is making a comeback. Where do you hang your hat?

About halfway between "why do you care?" and "none of your business."

[iMOTOR]

Originally Posted by abe 

Bakersfield, California

I knew it!

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by abe 

How about this?

*smack you in your silly face*

And run?

But the red mark won't rinse off for a day or so.

W0wzerZ

Actually, "post and run" is something we actively discourage. What about the article you posted the link to? What are your opinions about it? We can all search the Web for weird stuff-why did you decide to share this particular article?

And smacking people, really or virtually, is not appropriate either.

[abe]

I think anyone who would do something like that woman, Pilar Stofega, did, needs to be smacked.

Hard.

What man here hasn't known women who wanted to be smacked?

[OldManMac]

Any male who hits a woman is no man at all.

[Chuckit]

I think that's provably not true.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Any male who hits a woman is no man at all.

Except a bitch-slap, right ?

-t

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by abe 

Pints and Quarts?

I know what Ps and Qs are, but you were using them in the possessive form (hence the apostrophe.) I was asking of what object do the Ps and Qs own that you have to mind?

[Chuckit]

Isn't "Ps" the new abbreviation for Photoshop?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I know what Ps and Qs are, but you were using them in the possessive form (hence the apostrophe.) I was asking of what object do the Ps and Qs own that you have to mind?

You have to excuse abe's Engrish

-t

[abe]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I know what Ps and Qs are, but you were using them in the possessive form (hence the apostrophe.) I was asking of what object do the Ps and Qs own that you have to mind?

Be on your best behaviour; be careful of your language.

Ps and Qs are just the plural of the letters P and Q. There some disagreement amongst grammarians about how to spell Ps and Qs - either upper-case or lower-case and either with or without a hyphen. You may see the phrase as mind your p's and q's or mind your Ps and Qs or (occasionally) mind your P's and Q's or (rarely) as mind your ps and qs.

As well as the spelling, the original meaning is also in doubt. Francis Grose, in his 1785 edition of The Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, defines it like this:

"To mind one's P's and Q's; to be attentive to the main chance."

iBID

[Chuckit]

I don't know about you, but I always take my English advice from somebody who confuses hyphens and apostrophes.

[abe]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

You have to excuse abe's Engrish

-t

Is Engrish Offensive?
A friend of mine from a cycling forum, who's opinion I greatly respect, recently removed a reference on the forums to the website Engrish.com.

I wondered why she had taken such action and she replied, " .... because it makes fun of how asians talk and/or sometimes mess up words when converting to english. If you go into the link and start digging around the website, you see all that crap around there."

I'd never even considered that the site may be offensive to some people. The last thing I want to do is belittle anyone, especially on grounds of race.

I've had a link to the site on my blog for months and I find the misused English very funny at times. I have always thought that the funny part is the mistranslation itself and I have never even considered that it is making fun of the people involved. I have laughed just as hard when I have heard how hopelessly some English speaking people have done when trying to get their message across to non-English speakers. I love language and I think it's use and misuse can be a great subject for humour.

What do you think? Is the site poking fun at a particular segment of our worldwide community? I know the person from the forums well enough to know that she wouldn't be offended by such things without good cause. Do you feel she's being oversensitive or have I missed seeing something that could be offending others?

http://www.rodneyolsen.net/2004_08_01_archive.html

[abe]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

I think that's provably not true.

Shouldn't that be PROBABLY???

[Chuckit]

Wow, some tool on a blog wondered if Engrish.com was offensive three years ago? I'm sure glad you linked to that.

Originally Posted by abe 

Shouldn't that be PROBABLY???

No. Well, I mean, that would also be a valid English sentence, but it wouldn't be what I meant.

[abe]

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Any male who hits a woman is no man at all.

A little "Bang! Zoom!" anyone?

The Honeymooners Bang! Zoom!

[abe]

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Any male who hits a woman is no man at all.

Wednesday, December 10, 2003 Posted: 3:22 PM EST (2022 GMT)
ALPHARETTA, Georgia (AP) -- Police considered Tuesday whether to pursue charges against singer Bobby Brown, after officers responded to a domestic abuse call by his wife Whitney Houston at their home in this Atlanta suburb.

Officers arrived at the couple's home Sunday evening and found Houston with a cut upper lip and a bruised cheek, Fulton County Police spokesman Kurtis Young said.

Houston told officers that Brown hit her in the face during an argument.

CNN.com - Whitney Houston: Bobby Brown struck me - Dec. 10, 2003