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Mar 3, 2008, 01:23 PM
 
The ACID3 browser test is now available:

Acid3 Browser Test - The Web Standards Project

This is what the reference rendering looks like:



And here is what you get with the latest nightly build of WebKit:



Still 13 to go!
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 01:36 PM
 

^ Safari 3.0.4 (5523.15) -- 10.5.2


^ Firefox 3 Beta 3

I like that the Acid 3 text has a drop shadow on it. It'll be nice when other browsers support the text-shadow css tag.
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 01:44 PM
 

^ Internet Explorer 7


^ Internet Explorer 6

iPhone gets to 27 and then displays a bunch of XML over the page.
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 01:57 PM
 
Camino 1.5.5



iCab 4.0.1 is identical to Safari 3.0.4

I was wondering, is this test a chicken and egg situation? How come so many "modern" web browser fail this test miserably?
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 02:07 PM
 
Originally Posted by FireWire View Post
I was wondering, is this test a chicken and egg situation? How come so many "modern" web browser fail this test miserably?
The test seems to be aimed at a lot of edge cases that aren't used all that often and thus are most likely not to work right.
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EDIT: changed it to be more appropriate to the thread.
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Mar 3, 2008, 02:21 PM
 
Uhhh, please leave the humor to the professionals -- or read the thread first, at least.
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Mar 3, 2008, 02:42 PM
 
So, is this another useless test?

Or should we think ACID2 is useful? (Asking. Not being sarcastic.)
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 02:48 PM
 
ACID2 wasn't useless since it motivated browser vendors to improve standards compliance. Including Microsoft even (although you will never see it since IE8 will ship with the IE7 engine as the default). For the same reason ACID3 is not useless.
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 02:51 PM
 
But ACID2 compliance isn't really the same thing as global standards compliance.
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 03:01 PM
 
No, it's not, but fixing bugs exposed by ACID2 improves global standards compliance. Ditto for ACID3.
     
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The Acid tests are useful, in my opinion, because they give an easy visual mark for browser users to aim for. It doesn't guarantee compliance to the whole standard, but it encourages people to move in the right way.
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What I always wondered is why there weren't say ACID tests 3a, 3b, 3c, 3d, 3e, 3f, etc.
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
What I always wondered is why there weren't say ACID tests 3a, 3b, 3c, 3d, 3e, 3f, etc.
I guess I don't get what you are driving at.
     
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Mar 3, 2008, 05:12 PM
 
How do they know what the ACID3 test is supposed to look like when no browser can rendering it correctly.
     
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There's a picture to compare to of what it's supposed to look like.
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Originally Posted by Atheist View Post
How do they know what the ACID3 test is supposed to look like when no browser can rendering it correctly.
Because it's written to the standards?
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Originally Posted by Atheist View Post
How do they know what the ACID3 test is supposed to look like when no browser can rendering it correctly.
"No browser currently exists which gets a 100% score, obviously. However, the specifications are precise enough (and Ian Hickson who created the Acid3 test is knowledgeable enough) that it can be deduced how the test should render. (Although there’s always a tiny chance that a flaw in the test is found at some stage and that it will need to be updated; this happened at some point in Acid2, too, iirc.)"
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Originally Posted by TETENAL View Post
I guess I don't get what you are driving at.
ACID3 is simply one test.
     
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Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
Because it's written to the standards?
It was an attempt at irony. Kinda like how can the C compiler be written in C?
     
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WebKit Nightly 3/5/08:



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Latest Webkit nightly results.
If you click the A in Acid3 you'll get an alert explaining what happened. If you shift+click the A you'll get a page with the same explanation.
     
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Mar 5, 2008, 04:59 PM
 
Here's a MobileSafari snapshot:



I used the site The Acid3 Test as the one mentioned here had some server issues.
     
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Acid3 browser scores - Safari takes the lead

Well... Sorta. That's the beta. The Safari release version is way behind the Firefox and Camino release versions.
Interestingly, IE 5.5 (just barely) beats both IE 6 and IE 7.

Browser Version Operating System Acid 3 Score
Safari WebKit Nightly (r30881) Mac OS X 10.5.2 90%
Safari†† 3.1 (5525.15) Mac OS X 10.5.2 74%
Camino 2.0a1pre nightly (1.9b5pre 2008030800) Mac OS X 10.5.2 69%
Firefox 3.0b5pre nightly (2008030804) Mac OS X 10.5.2 69%
Firefox 3.0b5pre nightly (2008030904) CentOS 5 69%
Seamonkey 2.0a1pre nightly (2008030801) Mac OS X 10.5.2 69%
Konqueror† 4.0.2 Ubuntu 7.10 62%
Opera 9.50 Beta (build 9613) Windows Vista 60%
Opera 9.50 Beta (build 4506) Mac OS X 10.5.2 60%
Firefox 3.0b3 (2008020511) Mac OS X 10.5.2 59%
Firefox 3.0b3 (2008020514) Windows Vista 58%
Firefox 2.0.0.12 (20080201) Mac OS X 10.5.2 52%
Firefox 2.0.0.12 (20080201) Windows XP Service Pack 2 52%
Firefox 2.0.0.12 (20080201) CentOS 5 51%
Epiphany‡‡ 2.20.1 Ubuntu 7.10 51%
Konqueror‡ 3.5.9 Gentoo 51%
Camino 1.5.5 Mac OS X 10.5.2 50%
Opera 9.26 Mac OS X 10.5.2 46%
Opera 9.26 Windows Vista 46%
iCab 4.0.1 Mac OS X 10.5.2 39%
Safari 3.0.4 (5523.15) * Mac OS X 10.5.2 39%
Safari 3.0.4 (523.15) * Windows Vista 39%
Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.17184 (Beta) Windows Vista 17%
Internet Explorer 8.0.6001.17184 (Beta) Windows XP Service Pack 2 17%
Internet Explorer 5.50.4807.2300 (SP2) Windows XP Service Pack 2 (Multiple IE) 14%
Internet Explorer 5.50.4807.2300 (SP2) Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 13%
Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.13 Windows XP Service Pack 2 12%
Internet Explorer 7.0.6000.16609 Windows Vista 12%
Internet Explorer 6.0 Windows XP Service Pack 2 12%
Internet Explorer 6.0 Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 11%
Konqueror 3.5.8 Linux Mint 4.0 (Crashed)

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P.S. The Acid3 test page weighs in at 176 KB, while the Acid3 demo reference page weighs in at only 4 KB.
     
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Just in time for I.E. to pass ACID2!
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Originally Posted by goMac View Post
Just in time for I.E. to pass ACID2!
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
ACID3 is simply one test.
Not sure what you mean by this -- it's more like a test suite, isn't it?
     
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WebKit of March 17th.
     
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Safari 3.1 on 10.5.2 gives 74/100.
     
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I get 75/100 with v3.1 on 10.5.2
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I got 74 then 75 after reloading 3.1 on 10.5.2. The different scores from reloading is a known bug.
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WebKit + Tiger on a G4 Powerbook = 89
     
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Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
I got 74 then 75 after reloading 3.1 on 10.5.2. The different scores from reloading is a known bug.
Bug of the browser or bug of the ACID3 test?
     
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Originally Posted by Eug View Post
Bug of the browser or bug of the ACID3 test?
Sorry, Webkit.
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WebKit of March 22 reaches 95/100.

WebKit now also supports full page zoom. I very much prefer this over text zoom. To turn this on (instead of text zoom) in WebKit type the following line into Terminal:

defaults write com.apple.Safari WebKitDebugFullPageZoomPreferenceKey 1
     
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Originally Posted by TETENAL View Post
WebKit now also supports full page zoom. I very much prefer this over text zoom.
I like it too, but on some sites (such as MacNN), zooming makes weird seams in the background images:
     
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Originally Posted by TETENAL View Post
WebKit now also supports full page zoom. I very much prefer this over text zoom. To turn this on (instead of text zoom) in WebKit type the following line into Terminal:

defaults write com.apple.Safari WebKitDebugFullPageZoomPreferenceKey 1
I just updated today and it had full page zoom by default.

I got a 91 on 10.4.11
     
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Four more point to go!

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Firefox 3b4 gives 68%

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Mar 26, 2008, 10:15 PM
 
WebKit of March 27 2008.



But Opera is the first to reach 100/100!

Opera and the Acid3 Test - Desktop Team - by Desktop Team
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But does it count if you can't download it?
     
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No, it doesn’t. If the Webkit available for download in two days gets 100/100 and the version of Opera seen in that screenshot isn’t available for download for another three days, Webkit still ‘wins’.
     
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WebKit nightly now at 100/100, though they do not yet claim to pass the test.



Surfin’ Safari - Blog Archive - WebKit achieves Acid3 100/100 in public build
     
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thank you for that link tetenal!! i a now running the latest build of the webkit. sooo much faster
     
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I get a 98/100 with the latest WebKit r31356. On the plus side Saft now works with WebKit nightlies. Nice

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