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When is a Vista PC not a Vista PC?
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Apr 29, 2008, 11:13 AM
 
How many copies of Vista is MicroSoft selling? Apparently (via the BBC) several major vendors (Dell, Lenovo amongst them) have used a loophole in the Vista TandC's to instal XP on new machines, thus forcing MS to keep supporting Vista until mid 2009 at the earliest.

Apparently MS can log these machines as Vista sales despite the überOS ever touching the hard drive.

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Apr 29, 2008, 11:51 AM
 
Originally Posted by Andrew Stephens View Post
How many copies of Vista is MicroSoft selling? Apparently (via the BBC) several major vendors (Dell, Lenovo amongst them) have used a loophole in the Vista TandC's to instal XP on new machines, thus forcing MS to keep supporting Vista until mid 2009 at the earliest.

Apparently MS can log these machines as Vista sales despite the überOS ever touching the hard drive.

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Well that hasn't started happening yet. They won't need to do that until June 30th when XP is EOL'ed. So right now Vista sales numbers *should* reflect actual Vista sales. Should.

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Apr 29, 2008, 12:33 PM
 
Windows sales were down 24%, and Microsoft's stocks dropped.

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Apr 29, 2008, 02:43 PM
 
It's no loophole, it's a common and publicized option to "downgrade" (Microsoft's term) a machine purchased with Windows x license to Windows x-1. Here's the web page at microsoft.com with the details.

Apple has similar bookkeeping shenanigans (in a less publicized way) when they sell a new Mac with Leopard and then the customer requests (or already owns) Tiger media and loads that instead (as several members of this forum have done); it's still booked as a Leopard sale.
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Apr 29, 2008, 02:46 PM
 
Yeah, but it's much rarer and less likely that an OS X downgrade on new hardware will actually run.

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Apr 29, 2008, 02:47 PM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
Yeah, but it's much rarer and less likely that an OS X downgrade on new hardware will actually run.
Right, Apple doesn't backport a lot of their drivers, but it can and does happen. There are a few threads here (in the Mac Pro forum mostly) from people who got Apple to send them downgrade media.
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