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Rumor · Jul 26, 2009, 12:20 AM

Wired has a trailer for it. The visuals are pretty damn cool.

First Look: New Alice in Wonderland Trailer | Underwire | Wired.com

turtle777 · Jul 26, 2009, 12:29 AM

Yeah, looks great.

-t

reader50 · Jul 26, 2009, 12:56 AM

Apple has the trailer too, including in 1080p. I've been admiring it - looks pretty good.

The Godfather · Jul 26, 2009, 02:55 AM

I am SO there. I missed Coraline 3D in the theater, but I am not going to miss this.

"This film has been approved for... appropriate audiences", and a Disney film. Does that mean that Disney gave Burton all the freedom he needed to produce the kickbutt movie he always produces?

Also, is Johnny Depp positioning himself to become the next Batman's Joker?

Atheist · Jul 26, 2009, 10:03 AM

It's visually stunning. I'm hoping it has substance as well. Can't really tell from the trailer.

reader50 · Jul 26, 2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

"This film has been approved for... appropriate audiences", and a Disney film. Does that mean that Disney gave Burton all the freedom he needed to produce the kickbutt movie he always produces?

Heh, I was thinking almost exactly the same thing. Hoping that the "Tim Burton" part will win out over the "Disney" part. Having huge Narnia battles go down without a drop of blood anywhere is just lame.

finboy · Jul 26, 2009, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by reader50

Apple has the trailer too, including in 1080p. I've been admiring it - looks pretty good.

... and creepy. Sweeney Todd Redux creepy. I guess they wanted the hatter to look like someone with mercury poisoning. Wow.

shifuimam · Jul 26, 2009, 05:05 PM

I imagine it will be fairly creepy. But that's Tim Burton's style.

Uncle Skeleton · Jul 26, 2009, 05:22 PM

Didn't Johnny Depp say from now on he only wants to make movies his little kids can watch? I hope it doesn't do to him what it did to Eddie Murphy. Based on the trailer, this film looks like it will be something of a telltale, could be creepy in an awesome way or in a boring corny way.

The Godfather · Jul 26, 2009, 05:58 PM

Surely Edward Scissorhands and Sweeney Todd were not kiddy movies.

ebuddy · Jul 26, 2009, 06:15 PM

Awww yeeaah. This looks dark and sweet and all things Burton. We saw Coraline 3D in the theatre, good show. I think the story here has a little more substance to work with. This should not disappoint.

Uncle Skeleton · Jul 26, 2009, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

Surely Edward Scissorhands and Sweeney Todd were not kiddy movies.

This was around 2004, so long after Scissorhands. I never saw Sweeney Todd... maybe Depp was full of it, or maybe I am. I heard this in a radio interview, but I can't find reference to it now. Maybe I misheard him.

The Godfather · Jul 26, 2009, 10:06 PM

Coraline was not Tim Burton's, but Henry Selick's. He directed Nightmare Before Christmas, which was created by Tim Burton.

Sweeney Todd is likely to become a cult classic, not a best seller.

reader50 · Dec 17, 2009, 03:03 AM

New trailer up. It still looks interesting. Seems to me Burton has darkened it a bit since the teaser.

moonmonkey · Dec 17, 2009, 05:32 AM

It's your screen brightness, you can adjust this in System Preferences / Displays

andi*pandi · Dec 17, 2009, 09:21 AM

Hmm. Intrigued.

dcmacdaddy · Dec 17, 2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by reader50

New trailer up. It still looks interesting. Seems to me Burton has darkened it a bit since the teaser.

W0W?!?

That looks awesome. I do like the darker "feel" to it. Everything seems to be tinged with a hint of malevolence, and that the story will not be full of simple, cheerful, positivisms. And I like the fact Alice is shown as an active participant in her own story. The Disney versions always portrayed Alice as a wide-eyed ingenue, simply being carried along by the forces at work around her. This version shows Alice as having a lot of personal agency and a controlling aspect in deciding her own fate.

Chuckit · Dec 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

Well, Alice has been aged by like 10 years. In the original story, she's supposed to be a girl, not a woman old enough that I might pick her up at a bar one of these days.

olePigeon · Dec 17, 2009, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

"This film has been approved for... appropriate audiences", and a Disney film. Does that mean that Disney gave Burton all the freedom he needed to produce the kickbutt movie he always produces?

Why would he need Disney's approval to make a film about a book older than Disney?

Oneota · Dec 17, 2009, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Well, Alice has been aged by like 10 years. In the original story, she's supposed to be a girl, not a woman old enough that I might pick her up at a bar one of these days.

The description text says that Alice "returns to the whimsical world she first encountered as a young girl […] embark[ing] on a fantastical journey to find her true destiny and end the Red Queen’s reign of terror."

So it's kind of a sequel, only without the original movie (unless it's supposed to be a sequel to the cartoon).

Uncle Skeleton · Dec 17, 2009, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Why would he need Disney's approval to make a film about a book older than Disney?

Did you notice the humongous Disney logos at the beginning and end of the trailer?

olePigeon · Dec 17, 2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton

Did you notice the humongous Disney logos at the beginning and end of the trailer?

That could just be because Disney produced it, in which case sure.

I'm just saying if they had gone with Lionsgate or something, they wouldn't 've needed Disney's permission to do anything.

smacintush · Dec 17, 2009, 02:15 PM

So I guess I'm the only one who has grown very weary of Burton copy/pasting his "style" onto everything?

The Final Dakar · Dec 17, 2009, 02:17 PM

Maybe. I can't recall the last Tim Burton film I saw. Mars Attacks, maybe.

Chuckit · Dec 17, 2009, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

So I guess I'm the only one who has grown very weary of Burton copy/pasting his "style" onto everything?

Feel free to enjoy Planet of the Apes.

smacintush · Dec 17, 2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

Maybe. I can't recall the last Tim Burton film I saw. Mars Attacks, maybe.

I can't remember the last Tim Burton movie I ENJOYED.

The Final Dakar · Dec 17, 2009, 02:36 PM

Well if you never liked the guy, of course this movie isn't for you.

Chuckit · Dec 17, 2009, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

I can't remember the last Tim Burton movie I ENJOYED.

Edward Scissorhands?

SpaceMonkey · Dec 17, 2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

So I guess I'm the only one who has grown very weary of Burton copy/pasting his "style" onto everything?

That's a bit like complaining about characters in Woody Allen movies being too neurotic, isn't it?

smacintush · Dec 17, 2009, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar

Well if you never liked the guy, of course this movie isn't for you.

It's not that I don't LIKE him, I guess I overstated that. Now that I go back and look there are a few movies of his that I liked. It's just that the ones that are the most "Burtonesque" are the ones that I didn't enjoy.

I also love Johnny Depp, but strangely I don't enjoy him in Burton movies at all.

smacintush · Dec 17, 2009, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

That's a bit like complaining about characters in Woody Allen movies being too neurotic, isn't it?

Perhaps.

torsoboy · Dec 17, 2009, 02:58 PM

I think it looks interesting, but I think there are already enough dark movies on the market. It would have been awesome for Tim Burton to come up with something kid-friendly or more light hearted. Oh well, it's another movie to get from RedBox a few months after the DVD comes out.

smacintush · Dec 17, 2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Edward Scissorhands?

Meh.

The Final Dakar · Dec 17, 2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

I also love Johnny Depp, but strangely I don't enjoy him in Burton movies at all.

To me, that makes sense. The director influences the actor's performance in most cases.

analogue SPRINKLES · Dec 17, 2009, 05:46 PM

Anyone see that "Alice" that just aired on TV by the guy who did tinman? My friend was in it but I haven't watched it yet, just about to go have dinner with her though...

Chuckit · Dec 17, 2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by torsoboy

I think it looks interesting, but I think there are already enough dark movies on the market. It would have been awesome for Tim Burton to come up with something kid-friendly or more light hearted. Oh well, it's another movie to get from RedBox a few months after the DVD comes out.

Too many dark movies?

Here's the current top 10:

Disney cartoon
Inspirational sports movie
Inspirational sports movie
Twilight (dark, I guess, but a completely different audience)
Christmas movie
Dark movie (also a completely different audience, though)
Family comedy
Popcorn flick
Armored (not familiar enough to say what it is)
Martial arts flick

How fluffy do your tastes have to be to find that list dark and oppressive?

Rumor · Dec 17, 2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES

Anyone see that "Alice" that just aired on TV by the guy who did tinman? My friend was in it but I haven't watched it yet, just about to go have dinner with her though...

I saw it, and the visuals, like Tinman, were well done.

torsoboy · Dec 17, 2009, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Too many dark movies?

Here's the current top 10:

Disney cartoon
Inspirational sports movie
Inspirational sports movie
Twilight (dark, I guess, but a completely different audience)
Christmas movie
Dark movie (also a completely different audience, though)
Family comedy
Popcorn flick
Armored (not familiar enough to say what it is)
Martial arts flick

How fluffy do your tastes have to be to find that list dark and oppressive?

I wasn't meaning at this specific time; of course Christmas has inspirational/family movies. I meant in general.

Chuckit · Dec 17, 2009, 10:20 PM

That's an even weirder claim. Especially when paired with the idea that there needs to be more kid-oriented stuff. If anything, I'd say Hollywood is lacking movies that intelligent adults can enjoy. Vapid family pap comes out at a pretty steady pace. There's been at least one kiddie flick that came out every month this year, and more some months.

The Godfather · 11:41 PM

American McGee beat Burton to the punch, but I still want to see it because of Burton's dark style. Maybe it will include the political satire element.

Burton+Depp did amazingly well in Sweeney Todd.