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Oh wait, you have no arms?

[Shaddim]

Toe print?

[Railroader]

Nose print. FTW

[ghporter]

Extremely dumb "customer service" FTL. Geez bank people, your head is there for a reason-and not just to wear a stupid looking hat...

[andi*pandi]

you know, I have thumbs and I think I'd be offended to have to do a thumb print to cash a check. Since when is my drivers license not good enough?

[turtle777]

That's it.

I'm not gonna sell my arms. Seems like I will still need them.

-t

[hayesk]

Is this standard practice in the US?

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by hayesk 

Is this standard practice in the US?

No, most people don't sell their arms.

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

you know, I have thumbs and I think I'd be offended to have to do a thumb print to cash a check. Since when is my drivers license not good enough?

Since at least fall of 2001. It is apparently easy enough to get a false ID that MANY banks require NON-CUSTOMERS to provide thumbprints for identification. It's really, really hard to fake a thumbprint.

Now the stupid part is, of course, telling a guy that does not have thumbs that he's screwed. But the practice of requiring a "fake-proof" identification is both common and acceptable-for NON customers, of course.

[turtle777]

^^^ Isn't that kind of ironic ?

The sole reason for stupid, liberty cutting measures like that is that people oppose a good national ID standard.

So, by trying to protect their liberties (I never understood how a national ID would undermine my liberties anyways), you are subjected to even worse treatment and intrusion.

This should make people rethink their positions.

-t

[ghporter]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

^^^ Isn't that kind of ironic ?

The sole reason for stupid, liberty cutting measures like that is that people oppose a good national ID standard.

So, by trying to protect their liberties (I never understood how a national ID would undermine my liberties anyways), you are subjected to even worse treatment and intrusion.

This should make people rethink their positions.

-t

People are afraid of change. It's human nature to resist it, and the sort of change people THINK of when they think of a national ID is Very Bad. If they actually knew how the federal requirements for "real" ID (whichever plan you support), people would be a lot less paranoid, but then what fun is that for the "news" sources? Both the older Democratic plan and the response from the GOP call for simply having to conclusively demonstrate who you are before getting a license or ID that would be acceptable. No "RFID chip," no "national database," nothing like that. But even reliable news agencies have spent enough time quoting the survivalists and paranoids that it's hard to separate this kind of stupidity from reality.

Now for a counter issue: How do you, as a natural-born US citizen, prove your citizenship? I have yet to see a really useful and conclusive system to link a birth certificate (with or without foot prints) to an adult. Remember Cheech Marin's "Born in East LA"? That can still happen because there are no concrete mechanisms available for an individual to prove his birth except for displaying a birth certificate. I certainly don't look like any of the descriptive info on MY birth certificate, and without someone to vouch for me being that person, how would I establish my identity and citizenship? See the issue here is providing that independent link, free of the potential for abuse by outsiders, between a "report of live birth" and someone getting his/her driver's license for the first time.

[hayesk]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

The sole reason for stupid, liberty cutting measures like that is that people oppose a good national ID standard.

There are two things wrong with that statement.

1. People opposing a good national ID standard is an excuse for liberty cutting measures. Governments manufacturing and then exploiting people's fear of terrorism is the reason for stupid, liberty cutting measures.

2. People aren't opposed to a good national ID standard. They're opposed to bad ones. I believe very few people have the confidence that the government can make a good and secure ID.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by hayesk 

2. People aren't opposed to a good national ID standard. They're opposed to bad ones. I believe very few people have the confidence that the government can make a good and secure ID.

The current status of state issued IDs with a low security standard is FAR WORSE than anything that has been proposed.

Plus, see stupid things like the thumbprint issue discussed here.

-t